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Post by TEM on Jun 28, 2020 16:32:47 GMT -5
I am a bit perplexed . Can on of the 13 that voted yes. Explain why this would be a good deal for the Giants? Peppers and Love have a combined cap hit of 2.75 million ( last year 2 million) Adams is 7.2 ( last year 6 million) Peppers/ Love 113 tackles in 1114 snaps. 10 snaps per tackle at a cost of $ 1795 per snap or $17,700 per tackle Adams 75 tackles in 961 snaps . 9 snaps per tackle at a cost of $6244 per snap, or $80,000 per tackle Peppers / Love had 2 ints at the cost of 1 million per int. Adams had 1 int at the cost of $6 million . 6 million per int. Although Adams had 6.5 Sacks with 13 QB hits compared to Peppers/Love 0 sacks ad 3 QB hits Adams $923,000 per sack and $462,000 per QB hit. Peppers / Love 0 sacks at $2 million $667,000 per QB hit. (Jets 7-9 ) Adams $759,143 per win . $375,000 per game (Giants 4-12) Peppers/ Love $500,000 per win . $125,000 per game Can someone tell me how the cost / production ratio is affective for this trade? (For the Giants) The cost analysis for production output is not a significant upgrade for the cost. ( For the Giants) It is not like Adams' production stats are off the charts for a free safety. The Jets would be foolish not to make this deal if it is presented. This is a whole lot of hot air. It’s much easier to say Adams is the far superior player to Peppers and Love. We could only hope the Jets would be dumb enough to make this trade. All 31 teams would gladly give an average safety and unknown second year player for an all pro. In what way? Numbers are non-bias . |
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Post by TEM on Jun 28, 2020 16:35:45 GMT -5
I am a bit perplexed . Can on of the 13 that voted yes. Explain why this would be a good deal for the Giants? Peppers and Love have a combined cap hit of 2.75 million ( last year 2 million) Adams is 7.2 ( last year 6 million) Peppers/ Love 113 tackles in 1114 snaps. 10 snaps per tackle at a cost of $ 1795 per snap or $17,700 per tackle Adams 75 tackles in 961 snaps . 9 snaps per tackle at a cost of $6244 per snap, or $80,000 per tackle Peppers / Love had 2 ints at the cost of 1 million per int. Adams had 1 int at the cost of $6 million . 6 million per int. Although Adams had 6.5 Sacks with 13 QB hits compared to Peppers/Love 0 sacks ad 3 QB hits Adams $923,000 per sack and $462,000 per QB hit. Peppers / Love 0 sacks at $2 million $667,000 per QB hit. (Jets 7-9 ) Adams $759,143 per win . $375,000 per game (Giants 4-12) Peppers/ Love $500,000 per win . $125,000 per game Can someone tell me how the cost / production ratio is affective for this trade? (For the Giants) The cost analysis for production output is not a significant upgrade for the cost. ( For the Giants) It is not like Adams' production stats are off the charts for a free safety. The Jets would be foolish not to make this deal if it is presented. I stated my answer was strictly speculative based on performance not contract. The contract would never work and the Jets would never make this trade in the firstr place. Where is the performance? |
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 28, 2020 17:33:56 GMT -5
Not for nothing but didnt we just let virtually the same player walk last year in free agency? Why would we want to trade for and sign the same player?
I'll keep Peppers for now.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 28, 2020 18:22:47 GMT -5
This is a whole lot of hot air. It’s much easier to say Adams is the far superior player to Peppers and Love. We could only hope the Jets would be dumb enough to make this trade. All 31 teams would gladly give an average safety and unknown second year player for an all pro. In what way? Numbers are non-bias . So numbers tell the whole story? Because you and I know that’s not true. If that’s the case Leonard Williams is a bum.. Should we dissect his performance and pay for each tackle and half sack he had on the season? My point? Stats are nice. Good gauge on a player, but it doesn’t say the whole story. Great players, and Adams is one. Should be wanted and accepted, not treated like ordinary players. Now, if we’re discussing paying a safety cornerback money, then you have a fair discussion. But if we’re talking about Adams the player he would be an immediate impact player who would change our secondary overnight to a major strength. Not for nothing but didnt we just let virtually the same player walk last year in free agency? Why would we want to trade for and sign the same player? I'll keep Peppers for now. Landon Collins is not Jamal Adams. Collins couldn’t cover his shadow, Adams on the other hand is one of the best safeties in the game. Big difference. I like Peppers too. I also like our team to upgrade positions if possible. We should all want better for our team. Try it with me, “better players make a better team.” |
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 28, 2020 23:15:28 GMT -5
In what way? Numbers are non-bias . So numbers tell the whole story? Because you and I know that’s not true. If that’s the case Leonard Williams is a bum.. Should we dissect his performance and pay for each tackle and half sack he had on the season? My point? Stats are nice. Good gauge on a player, but it doesn’t say the whole story. Great players, and Adams is one. Should be wanted and accepted, not treated like ordinary players. Now, if we’re discussing paying a safety cornerback money, then you have a fair discussion. But if we’re talking about Adams the player he would be an immediate impact player who would change our secondary overnight to a major strength. Not for nothing but didnt we just let virtually the same player walk last year in free agency? Why would we want to trade for and sign the same player? I'll keep Peppers for now. Landon Collins is not Jamal Adams. Collins couldn’t cover his shadow, Adams on the other hand is one of the best safeties in the game. Big difference. I like Peppers too. I also like our team to upgrade positions if possible. We should all want better for our team. Try it with me, “better players make a better team.” Better players dont always make your team better. I guess Cleveland had the best offense in the league with your logic. My point still stands in my opinion. I'll take Peppers over Adams for this team. Trading for and signing to big money somebody like Adams doesnt fix this defense. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 29, 2020 5:06:05 GMT -5
So numbers tell the whole story? Because you and I know that’s not true. If that’s the case Leonard Williams is a bum.. Should we dissect his performance and pay for each tackle and half sack he had on the season? My point? Stats are nice. Good gauge on a player, but it doesn’t say the whole story. Great players, and Adams is one. Should be wanted and accepted, not treated like ordinary players. Now, if we’re discussing paying a safety cornerback money, then you have a fair discussion. But if we’re talking about Adams the player he would be an immediate impact player who would change our secondary overnight to a major strength. Landon Collins is not Jamal Adams. Collins couldn’t cover his shadow, Adams on the other hand is one of the best safeties in the game. Big difference. I like Peppers too. I also like our team to upgrade positions if possible. We should all want better for our team. Try it with me, “better players make a better team.” Better players dont always make your team better. I guess Cleveland had the best offense in the league with your logic. My point still stands in my opinion. I'll take Peppers over Adams for this team. Trading for and signing to big money somebody like Adams doesnt fix this defense. No, my logic is to always improve your team. I’m pretty sure that’s general manager 101. As for Cleveland, you forgot to mention that the most important position QB Mayfield played like garbage all year. All the weapons in the world don’t help when your QB is throwing from his backside. Signing Jenkins, Vernon and Snacks in ‘16 helped out our defense tremendously. I guess signing good players does help. Who would have thought that? Also, this conversation is moot. The Jets are not dumb enough to trade an all pro annoyance for Peppers and Love. We could only be so lucky. |
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Post by TEM on Jun 29, 2020 6:38:17 GMT -5
In what way? Numbers are non-bias . So numbers tell the whole story? Because you and I know that’s not true. If that’s the case Leonard Williams is a bum.. Should we dissect his performance and pay for each tackle and half sack he had on the season? My point? Stats are nice. Good gauge on a player, but it doesn’t say the whole story. Great players, and Adams is one. Should be wanted and accepted, not treated like ordinary players. Now, if we’re discussing paying a safety cornerback money, then you have a fair discussion. But if we’re talking about Adams the player he would be an immediate impact player who would change our secondary overnight to a major strength. Not for nothing but didnt we just let virtually the same player walk last year in free agency? Why would we want to trade for and sign the same player? I'll keep Peppers for now. Landon Collins is not Jamal Adams. Collins couldn’t cover his shadow, Adams on the other hand is one of the best safeties in the game. Big difference. I like Peppers too. I also like our team to upgrade positions if possible. We should all want better for our team. Try it with me, “better players make a better team.” We didn't trade a 1pick or a promising player for Williams. A 3rd and a 5th. Show me where he is a impact player to make the Giants "a contender." Jets record with Adams 2017 5-11 2018 4-12 2019 7-9 |
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Post by GameTime on Jun 29, 2020 6:51:17 GMT -5
You guys know this is a total hypothetical and is not actually happening right?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 7:18:25 GMT -5
In what way? Numbers are non-bias . So numbers tell the whole story? Because you and I know that’s not true. TEM is ALL about the numbers when discussing football players so he doesn't know that is not true. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 29, 2020 8:23:53 GMT -5
So numbers tell the whole story? Because you and I know that’s not true. If that’s the case Leonard Williams is a bum.. Should we dissect his performance and pay for each tackle and half sack he had on the season? My point? Stats are nice. Good gauge on a player, but it doesn’t say the whole story. Great players, and Adams is one. Should be wanted and accepted, not treated like ordinary players. Now, if we’re discussing paying a safety cornerback money, then you have a fair discussion. But if we’re talking about Adams the player he would be an immediate impact player who would change our secondary overnight to a major strength. Landon Collins is not Jamal Adams. Collins couldn’t cover his shadow, Adams on the other hand is one of the best safeties in the game. Big difference. I like Peppers too. I also like our team to upgrade positions if possible. We should all want better for our team. Try it with me, “better players make a better team.” We didn't trade a 1pick or a promising player for Williams. A 3rd and a 5th. Show me where he is a impact player to make the Giants "a contender." Jets record with Adams 2017 5-11 2018 4-12 2019 7-9 Missing the point. You’re going by stats and his contract. So do the same for Williams. I’m sure it will make you puke. As for Adams record with the Jets. Haven’t we been through this? One player does not make a team. Check out our record with Barkley. My point has always been that if the Jets were dumb enough to take Peppers and Love and give us Adams who mind you was an all pro. I would do it in a NY minute. Now, the contract is another discussion. You guys know this is a total hypothetical and is not actually happening right? Thanks dad. Pretty sure I mentioned that twice! Get an avatar will ya.. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 29, 2020 8:40:29 GMT -5
I thought the Jets wanted 2 #1's draft choices. Adams on his 3rd year wants to renegotiate the rookie contract which goes 5 years for a #1 draft choice. Even if you sign him he could want out. He comes from Texas he wants the Cowboys. Don't think they could do the money, but Adams may work with them. If I'm Dallas and can somehow work out the money I'd do it in a heartbeat. Their 1st rd picks are going to be in the last 8 picks of the 1st rd anyway. Nobody near as good as Jamal Adams. If the Jets get more for Adams than we got for Odell then I want to trade for their GM |
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Post by GameTime on Jun 29, 2020 9:04:13 GMT -5
We didn't trade a 1pick or a promising player for Williams. A 3rd and a 5th. Show me where he is a impact player to make the Giants "a contender." Jets record with Adams 2017 5-11 2018 4-12 2019 7-9 Missing the point. You’re going by stats and his contract. So do the same for Williams. I’m sure it will make you puke. As for Adams record with the Jets. Haven’t we been through this? One player does not make a team. Check out our record with Barkley. My point has always been that if the Jets were dumb enough to take Peppers and Love and give us Adams who mind you was an all pro. I would do it in a NY minute. Now, the contract is another discussion. You guys know this is a total hypothetical and is not actually happening right? Thanks dad. Pretty sure I mentioned that twice! Get an avatar will ya.. You're the son I never wanted.... |
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 29, 2020 9:08:31 GMT -5
So numbers tell the whole story? Because you and I know that’s not true. If that’s the case Leonard Williams is a bum.. Should we dissect his performance and pay for each tackle and half sack he had on the season? My point? Stats are nice. Good gauge on a player, but it doesn’t say the whole story. Great players, and Adams is one. Should be wanted and accepted, not treated like ordinary players. Now, if we’re discussing paying a safety cornerback money, then you have a fair discussion. But if we’re talking about Adams the player he would be an immediate impact player who would change our secondary overnight to a major strength. Landon Collins is not Jamal Adams. Collins couldn’t cover his shadow, Adams on the other hand is one of the best safeties in the game. Big difference. I like Peppers too. I also like our team to upgrade positions if possible. We should all want better for our team. Try it with me, “better players make a better team.” We didn't trade a 1pick or a promising player for Williams. A 3rd and a 5th. Show me where he is a impact player to make the Giants "a contender." Jets record with Adams 2017 5-11 2018 4-12 2019 7-9 Jamal Adams is great. |
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Post by southerner on Jul 6, 2020 17:58:01 GMT -5
Peppers deal is up anyway. Love is unproven commodity with a high ceiling. Adams is an established beast. Since he's requesting a trade and he wouldn't need to uproot himself by going to the Giants....And Gettleman obviously trades with the Jets He is more of a headcase than Odell.....just as talented and just as cancerous..no thanks. |
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Post by thetruth on Jul 7, 2020 14:26:05 GMT -5
Peppers deal is up anyway. Love is unproven commodity with a high ceiling. Adams is an established beast. Since he's requesting a trade and he wouldn't need to uproot himself by going to the Giants....And Gettleman obviously trades with the Jets  Why is this even a debate. Peppers is an average safety and Love hasn't done a thing. Adams almost single-handedly dismantled the Giants offence by himself last year and is the best Safety in the league. Heck, Adams would also be our best pass rusher as well if we picked him up. Sold. Put it in gee718 |
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Post by thetruth on Jul 7, 2020 14:30:01 GMT -5
Not for nothing but didnt we just let virtually the same player walk last year in free agency? Why would we want to trade for and sign the same player? I'll keep Peppers for now. Jamal Adams is a lot better than Landon Collins Landon Collins is a lot better than Peppers Im not sure why paying Peppers would ever be a good thing for the Giants. I mean, if signing Collins was considered a waste what are we doing here? Peppers..who.. was not particularly good last year. If im wrong please provide evidence because its not in the tape |
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 7, 2020 15:11:56 GMT -5
Nope , the contract isn't worth it and while his talent is great he seems to be all about him.JMO didn't we just trade a player like that to Cleveland.... |
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 7, 2020 15:12:36 GMT -5
Not for nothing but didnt we just let virtually the same player walk last year in free agency? Why would we want to trade for and sign the same player? I'll keep Peppers for now. Jamal Adams is a lot better than Landon Collins Landon Collins is a lot better than Peppers Im not sure why paying Peppers would ever be a good thing for the Giants. I mean, if signing Collins was considered a waste what are we doing here? Peppers..who.. was not particularly good last year. If im wrong please provide evidence because its not in the tape Im sorry, did we sign Peppers to a long term extension today? |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 7, 2020 15:23:54 GMT -5
Landon Collins is a lot better than Peppers As much as I liked LC , nope. He could cover in pass situations and was always hurt .What good is he if he isn't on the field? In five seasons he's missed 6 games. That's not on the field? He played 74 out of 80 games.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 7, 2020 15:48:28 GMT -5
Not for nothing but didnt we just let virtually the same player walk last year in free agency? Why would we want to trade for and sign the same player? I'll keep Peppers for now. Jamal Adams is a lot better than Landon Collins Landon Collins is a lot better than Peppers Im not sure why paying Peppers would ever be a good thing for the Giants. I mean, if signing Collins was considered a waste what are we doing here? Peppers..who.. was not particularly good last year. If im wrong please provide evidence because its not in the tape Collins/Peppers stats were similar last year except Peppers had 3 FF’s and 1 INT in 4 fewer games.... How’d you like an $84M Safety who can’t register a single interception? |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 7, 2020 15:54:02 GMT -5
Jamal Adams is a lot better than Landon Collins Landon Collins is a lot better than Peppers Im not sure why paying Peppers would ever be a good thing for the Giants. I mean, if signing Collins was considered a waste what are we doing here? Peppers..who.. was not particularly good last year. If im wrong please provide evidence because its not in the tape Collins/Peppers stats were similar last year except Peppers had 3 FF’s and 1 INT in 4 fewer games.... How’d you like an $84M Safety who can’t register a single interception? Defensive stats are tremendously misleading. But Collins is no more than a decent safety. Just somewhat better than average. Peppers is just a guy to me. Adams however, is special. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 7, 2020 15:56:01 GMT -5
it seems to me that the more money these players make the bigger the head case they are, not all of them but too many.....
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 7, 2020 15:58:53 GMT -5
Jamal Adams is a lot better than Landon Collins Landon Collins is a lot better than Peppers Im not sure why paying Peppers would ever be a good thing for the Giants. I mean, if signing Collins was considered a waste what are we doing here? Peppers..who.. was not particularly good last year. If im wrong please provide evidence because its not in the tape Collins/Peppers stats were similar last year except Peppers had 3 FF’s and 1 INT.... How’d you like an $84M Safety who can’t register a single interception? Probably the same way we feel about Nate Solder. He gets beat like a drum on a weekly basis. As for Collins, it’s not his fault the Redskins are a dumb franchise. Collins has his warts in his game, but he’s a much better player than Peppers. This fan base for some odd reason has a warped opinion on Peppers. He plays extremely hard, and is accountable. But after that it’s like trying to find a needle in a haystack when finding positive attributes to his game. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 7, 2020 16:01:47 GMT -5
Collins/Peppers stats were similar last year except Peppers had 3 FF’s and 1 INT in 4 fewer games.... How’d you like an $84M Safety who can’t register a single interception? Defensive stats are tremendously misleading. But Collins is no more than a decent safety. Just somewhat better than average. Peppers is just a guy to me. Adams however, is special. Agreed. Adams is a playmaker and a game changer. He single handedly turned the momentum against us with his strip TD on Jones. Collins is just a compiler of meaningless tackles. Doesn’t make plays, is never around the ball... Peppers is a nice player but at least still has an upside. |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 7, 2020 16:03:37 GMT -5
Collins/Peppers stats were similar last year except Peppers had 3 FF’s and 1 INT in 4 fewer games.... How’d you like an $84M Safety who can’t register a single interception? Defensive stats are tremendously misleading. But Collins is no more than a decent safety. Just somewhat better than average. Peppers is just a guy to me. Adams however, is special. Adams seems like a true disrupter. They are rare. We may not have the money but that wasn't posed as part of the question. |
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Post by thetruth on Jul 7, 2020 16:05:37 GMT -5
Jamal Adams is a lot better than Landon Collins Landon Collins is a lot better than Peppers Im not sure why paying Peppers would ever be a good thing for the Giants. I mean, if signing Collins was considered a waste what are we doing here? Peppers..who.. was not particularly good last year. If im wrong please provide evidence because its not in the tape Collins/Peppers stats were similar last year except Peppers had 3 FF’s and 1 INT in 4 fewer games.... How’d you like an $84M Safety who can’t register a single interception? When i look at a strong safety, playing the run is the most important thing. I dont care that LC couldn't man cover TE's and HB's, most teams dont ask their SS to do that, well, unless his name is Jamal Adams. LC was elite in the run game. Heck, Landon used to set the edge on occasion. Peppers isn't elite at anything. Aside from a few flash plays his game is very inconsistent in pass coverage and he wiffs on a ton of tackles as our starting SS. What exactly do folks think he's.. good at? being fast? check. Lets not get it twisted. Peppers is nothing more than a guy. LC was once a DPOY candidate, top 3 defensive player in 2016 regardless of position. Giants fans tend to conveniently forget what happened but 4 years ago for the sake of making an argument. What does Peppers have to his name? |
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Post by giantsrock on Jul 7, 2020 18:30:05 GMT -5
Defensive stats are tremendously misleading. But Collins is no more than a decent safety. Just somewhat better than average. Peppers is just a guy to me. Adams however, is special. Agreed. Adams is a playmaker and a game changer. He single handedly turned the momentum against us with his strip TD on Jones. Collins is just a compiler of meaningless tackles. Doesn’t make plays, is never around the ball... Peppers is a nice player but at least still has an upside. "meaningless tackles".....wtf? |
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