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Post by idkaname on Jun 27, 2020 1:16:30 GMT -5
If you took the giants in their current state and could choose ANY RB (in their prime/glory)...
Why would it not be saquan Barkley?
Call me bias but from talent and athleticism aspect, Barkley can become the greatest RB the nfl has ever seen.
The only player even close (almost already) is Barry sanders.
I think Barkley is Barry sanders with more power + speed:
Call me whatever u want but I promise you this.........
Barkley will acquire Atleast 1 MVP trophy Atleast 1 SB trophy and finally Atleast 1 introduction in the hall of fame.
This is the greatest rb the giants have ever had: this is the greatest rb the nfl has ever had.
Get excited, Go blue,
Excited gmen addict!!
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Post by bluejayc on Jun 27, 2020 1:42:18 GMT -5
I looooooove Saquon and in the very near future I might put him at #1 but I hate to admit it.....if we're talking only Giants Tiki in his prime was an absolute beast.....catching....running.....just a machine. I can't stand the guy but have to give him his due. His production was off the charts especially his last three years where he went for over 2,000 scrimmage yards in each. 4.7 yard per carry career average. Retired at the top of his game to his own fault one year shy of a SB.
I'm saying that and Rodney Hampton is actually my favorite Giant of all time.....he produced while surrounded by some of the worst Giants players, more importantly QB's of all time save, his rookie year. I hope Saquon's talent isn't wasted like Rodney's was.
If we're talking any NFL RB Barry Sanders and Walter Payton would probably be my top two picks. Not sure how old you are but if you ever saw Barry play live you would hold your breath every time he touched the ball. 5 yards per carry lifetime avg and he did that with the Lions....the putrid LIONS!!!!! The only reason he retied in his prime was also because of the Lions.
With that being said Saquon is another guy where every time he touches it he's a threat to go to the house. The good thing is we haven't even seen Saquon in his NFL prime yet in my opinion. That should be this year and the next few years barring an injury. I agree if he stays healthy all those accolades you listed are realistic. He's a freak and a class act. Extremely pumped he's a Giant.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 27, 2020 6:04:09 GMT -5
Its tough because you have already seen the other RBs entire careers and we've only seen two seasons for Barkley.
SB has all the talent in the world lets see where it takes him.
I dont see the Barry Sanders comparison at all. Two different runners IMO
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 27, 2020 9:16:50 GMT -5
Confused a bit. You promise a SB win, an NFL MVP award and at least one introduction to the HOF? Can you be inducted more than once?
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 27, 2020 9:22:33 GMT -5
If you took the giants in their current state and could choose ANY RB (in their prime/glory)... Why would it not be saquan Barkley? Call me bias but from talent and athleticism aspect, Barkley can become the greatest RB the nfl has ever seen. The only player even close (almost already) is Barry sanders. I think Barkley is Barry sanders with more power + speed: Call me whatever u want but I promise you this......... Barkley will acquire Atleast 1 MVP trophy Atleast 1 SB trophy and finally Atleast 1 introduction in the hall of fame. This is the greatest rb the giants have ever had: this is the greatest rb the nfl has ever had. Get excited, Go blue, Excited gmen addict!! If recent NFL history is an indication....., Saquan's greatness will last 5 years or less.
Plus he's being over-used.
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Post by Nite on Jun 27, 2020 10:34:44 GMT -5
If you took the giants in their current state and could choose ANY RB (in their prime/glory)... Why would it not be saquan Barkley? Call me bias but from talent and athleticism aspect, Barkley can become the greatest RB the nfl has ever seen. The only player even close (almost already) is Barry sanders. I think Barkley is Barry sanders with more power + speed: Call me whatever u want but I promise you this......... Barkley will acquire Atleast 1 MVP trophy Atleast 1 SB trophy and finally Atleast 1 introduction in the hall of fame. This is the greatest rb the giants have ever had: this is the greatest rb the nfl has ever had. Get excited, Go blue, Excited gmen addict!! If recent NFL history is an indication....., Saquan's greatness will last 5 years or less.
Plus he's being over-used.
Rb by committee is the way forward in the NFL..The workhouse RB days of the league is in the distant past (and also a very good way to end player's career early)..Thats why I wanedt us to get another quality late (or even middle) round rb.. Besides SQB who do we have?..Or..who do we have the other teams have to game plan for...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 27, 2020 12:50:53 GMT -5
Confused a bit. You promise a SB win, an NFL MVP award and at least one introduction to the HOF? Can you be inducted more than once? Joe there is a difference between introduction and induction. I think he should have used the word nominated instead of introduction. I would think most of us are expecting him to be at least nominated for the HOF.
If I had to guess I would think Saquon get over 10,000 yds rushing and 15,000 yds total. I would assume 75-100 TD's. He would need around 10 years of production to achieve these goals I would think. He already has over 2,000 yds rushing and around 3,000 yds total. 20plus TD's. This should be a big year for him.
Just stay healthy.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 27, 2020 12:56:15 GMT -5
If you took the giants in their current state and could choose ANY RB (in their prime/glory)... Why would it not be saquan Barkley? Call me bias but from talent and athleticism aspect, Barkley can become the greatest RB the nfl has ever seen. The only player even close (almost already) is Barry sanders. I think Barkley is Barry sanders with more power + speed: Call me whatever u want but I promise you this......... Barkley will acquire Atleast 1 MVP trophy Atleast 1 SB trophy and finally Atleast 1 introduction in the hall of fame. This is the greatest rb the giants have ever had: this is the greatest rb the nfl has ever had. Get excited, Go blue, Excited gmen addict!! If recent NFL history is an indication....., Saquan's greatness will last 5 years or less.
Plus he's being over-used.
Thank you for that uplifting message during these most dismal of times...
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Post by Jomo on Jun 27, 2020 12:59:49 GMT -5
I am as excited as anyone regarding Barkley but it is a bit premature to put him at the top of the heap. He likely will be that guy but I can't call him that guy yet. His OL has sucked, his teams have sucked and in the face of it he's done well but he's going to have to do more and do it for a longer time to capture #1.
Interestingly we've had some very good backs but almost no legendary RB. Gifford was from a different era and a different kind of back.
We have Rodney Hampton, Joe Morris and Tiki who I would put at the top of our list. Did I miss a couple?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 13:11:52 GMT -5
I probably wouldn’t even sign Barkley to a Second Contract. Did he have a Great Rookie Season. Yeah. Absolutely. The Team went 5-11. The following year he was banged up but still managed a good season. The Team went 4-12. These are Facts as much as you may not like them. RB’s do not help teams win Titles. The Arguably best RB in Football right now is McCaffrey on the Panthers and what did they do lately? Elliot is another that people may put as the best and again nothing from the team. Hate to sound like a Debbie Downer but.....let’s just enjoy Barkley’s next 2-3 years and then say Goodbye
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 27, 2020 15:13:18 GMT -5
We live in a time where the past is forgotten and the present is all that matters. Barkley as of today has played in two seasons. Let me repeat that, Barkley the talented kid from Penn State has played a total of 29 games. Which is an extremely small sample. I think it’s just a classic case of living in today. He’s extremely talented, and barring injuries should have a great career. But let’s pump the brakes here. This league has seen players from Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, to Barry Sanders. And I left off a ton more for the reason I don’t want to sit here typing out all the great running backs of this league.
When I see Barkley play I can see right away the great talent and ability he has. I don’t dare compare him to the greats of the past, because first the game has changed. From schemes, rules, to the players. What players did in the ‘70s is very different what they do now. I want Barkley to be the best player for the team. I want him to help us turn into contenders instead of pretenders. The former greats are remembered by their stats and the immortal players are remembered and revered by their championships and victories. Give me Barkley who helps us win over Barkley with the big stats and the team losing.
We’re in year 3 with Barkley, which in football and his position might as well say year 5. I hope he stays healthy, has a great season, and helps us win football games. I don’t know about anyone else, I’m extremely tired of the losing. It’s time we start to talk about team victories over individual performances.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 27, 2020 15:17:39 GMT -5
We live in a time where the past is forgotten and the present is all that matters. Barkley as of today has played in two seasons. Let me repeat that, Barkley the talented kid from Penn State has played a total of 29 games. Which is an extremely small sample. I think is just a classic case of living in today. He’s extremely talented, and barring injuries should have a great career. But let’s pump the brakes here. This league has seen players from Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, to Barry Sanders. And I left off a ton more for the reason I don’t want to sit here typing out all the great running backs of this league. When I see Barkley play I can see right away the great talent and ability he has. I don’t dare compare him to the greats of the past, because first the game has changed. From schemes, rules, to the players. What players did in the ‘70s is very different what they do now. I want Barkley to be the best player for the team. I want him to help us turn us into contenders instead of pretenders. The former greats are remembered by their stats and the immortal players are remembered and revered by their championships and victories. Give me Barkley who helps us wins over Barkley with the big stats and the team losing. We’re in year 3 with Barkley, which in football and his position might as well say year 5. I hope he stays healthy, has a great season, and helps us win football games. I don’t know about anyone else, I’m extremely tired of the losing. It’s time we start to talk about team victories over individual performances. Hard to argue with that. As much talent as he has, it hasn't moved the win/loss needle at all.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 27, 2020 17:15:56 GMT -5
If recent NFL history is an indication....., Saquan's greatness will last 5 years or less.
Plus he's being over-used. False. Stats are fun because people can pick and choose what matters to their point. You have taken a look at "all RBs". If you look at just the 1st round RBs though that argument quickly falls apart. Then if you look at Pro Bowl RBs the argument falls apart even faster.
With that said it's too early on Saquon. He has tremendous ability, heart, brains, off the field decisions ect but he needs to prove it more. Peyton Hillis had 1 season with 1600 yards and 13 TDs rec and rushing.
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Post by bavarobeast on Jun 28, 2020 17:26:56 GMT -5
Joe Morris - Tiki - Rodney Hampton.......all 3 ahead of Barkley and I believe it will stay that way.
The jury is still out on SB in my opinion.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 28, 2020 17:51:02 GMT -5
We live in a time where the past is forgotten and the present is all that matters. Barkley as of today has played in two seasons. Let me repeat that, Barkley the talented kid from Penn State has played a total of 29 games. Which is an extremely small sample. I think is just a classic case of living in today. He’s extremely talented, and barring injuries should have a great career. But let’s pump the brakes here. This league has seen players from Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, to Barry Sanders. And I left off a ton more for the reason I don’t want to sit here typing out all the great running backs of this league. When I see Barkley play I can see right away the great talent and ability he has. I don’t dare compare him to the greats of the past, because first the game has changed. From schemes, rules, to the players. What players did in the ‘70s is very different what they do now. I want Barkley to be the best player for the team. I want him to help us turn us into contenders instead of pretenders. The former greats are remembered by their stats and the immortal players are remembered and revered by their championships and victories. Give me Barkley who helps us wins over Barkley with the big stats and the team losing. We’re in year 3 with Barkley, which in football and his position might as well say year 5. I hope he stays healthy, has a great season, and helps us win football games. I don’t know about anyone else, I’m extremely tired of the losing. It’s time we start to talk about team victories over individual performances. Hard to argue with that. As much talent as he has, it hasn't moved the win/loss needle at all. I love SQB and love what he brings to this team in terms of talent, work ethic, maturity, everything. But I completely understand why people said then and still now why he was the wrong pick.
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Post by idkaname on Jun 28, 2020 21:45:28 GMT -5
Joe Morris - Tiki - Rodney Hampton.......all 3 ahead of Barkley and I believe it will stay that way. The jury is still out on SB in my opinion. I understand this is a what have you done for me lately? League. But I promise you will regret this post by the end of Barkley’s career. Barkley is better than all3 of those guys you mentioned combined. This may be the best athlete at the RB position the nfl has ever seen. Physical tools don’t do it for u? This guy has vision equivalent or better to Arian foster and leveon bell combined. side note: if you ever thought Levon bell was a top 5 rb or elite, Barkley is already better than he has ever been. I just hope you give the kid credit when he shatteres every giants RB record yards from scrimmage, receiving, rushing, catches, total tds to name a few. I get the sentimental value of the guys you listed above but you will be infatuated with SB by the time he retires. He will be a part of something you’ve NEVER saw. To be quite frank, the closest thing you’ve seen to what will be seen is bo jackson. Enjoy the show
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Post by idkaname on Jun 28, 2020 21:51:42 GMT -5
Hard to argue with that. As much talent as he has, it hasn't moved the win/loss needle at all. I love SQB and love what he brings to this team in terms of talent, work ethic, maturity, everything. But I completely understand why people said then and still now why he was the wrong pick. this is exactly what we have needed for a long time. This is more than a RB. This a weapon that is respected. Who benefits from this guy you ask? The qb The o line The receivers The offense as a whole The defense The coach The owner The team The fans The GIANTS So explain how this was possibly a “bad choice”? Tell me one player we could’ve gotten instead that has as much value. Imaginary trades acceptable. The way I see it, 5 first rounders of “great” talent don’t equate to what we have. This is special
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Post by idkaname on Jun 28, 2020 21:56:19 GMT -5
If you took the giants in their current state and could choose ANY RB (in their prime/glory)... Why would it not be saquan Barkley? Call me bias but from talent and athleticism aspect, Barkley can become the greatest RB the nfl has ever seen. The only player even close (almost already) is Barry sanders. I think Barkley is Barry sanders with more power + speed: Call me whatever u want but I promise you this......... Barkley will acquire Atleast 1 MVP trophy Atleast 1 SB trophy and finally Atleast 1 introduction in the hall of fame. This is the greatest rb the giants have ever had: this is the greatest rb the nfl has ever had. Get excited, Go blue, Excited gmen addict!! If recent NFL history is an indication....., Saquan's greatness will last 5 years or less.
Plus he's being over-used.
the “average” back this applies to. Saquan not so much. This isn’t just another great back. This is a man amongst boys. He’s 23 and already faster and stronger than 75% of the skill positions in the league. Feel free to draw the exact numbers on this, I’m sure it’s even higher
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 28, 2020 23:47:42 GMT -5
I love SQB and love what he brings to this team in terms of talent, work ethic, maturity, everything. But I completely understand why people said then and still now why he was the wrong pick. this is exactly what we have needed for a long time. This is more than a RB. This a weapon that is respected. Who benefits from this guy you ask? The qb The o line The receivers The offense as a whole The defense The coach The owner The team The fans The GIANTS So explain how this was possibly a “bad choice”? Tell me one player we could’ve gotten instead that has as much value. Imaginary trades acceptable. The way I see it, 5 first rounders of “great” talent don’t equate to what we have. This is special Quenton Nelson. The fact of the matter is runningbacks like SQB are a luxury. This team has been no better with Saquon than without him. Not only have they lost 23 games out of 32 since he was drafted, hes going into his 3rd year and we are already talking about improving this team for 2021. Yes, this team is that bad. That will be year 4 for him. Im not pinning these losses on Saquon, so dont get it twisted. You ask who benefits from this guy? The qb SureThe o line The same OL that helped SQB manage 1 rushing yard against the Jets?The receivers Slayton, being the team leading WR with a whopping 740 receiving yards?The offense as a whole The 19th ranked offense in 2019?The defense 30th ranked defense in 2019?The coach The coach that was fired after two seasons?The owner The owner who has put current GM on hot seat?The team The team thats tied in 3rd for most losses since 2018?The fans The fans who dont care about stats anymore and just want to win a game?The GIANTS Isnt this the same as the team? The GIANTS being one of the biggest jokes in the NFL last few seasons...Again, I love Saquon and I love him and DJ together. But dont make it sound like this franchise has benefited from drafting him because its just not true. Can he be one of the greats? Absolutely, I believe it. Can he stay healthy and play until hes 30? That we dont know.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 29, 2020 0:20:14 GMT -5
If recent NFL history is an indication....., Saquan's greatness will last 5 years or less.
Plus he's being over-used.
the “average” back this applies to. Saquan not so much. This isn’t just another great back. This is a man amongst boys. He’s 23 and already faster and stronger than 75% of the skill positions in the league. Feel free to draw the exact numbers on this, I’m sure it’s even higher I'd make it more than 90% of skill position players if not more
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 29, 2020 0:29:20 GMT -5
this is exactly what we have needed for a long time. This is more than a RB. This a weapon that is respected. Who benefits from this guy you ask? The qb The o line The receivers The offense as a whole The defense The coach The owner The team The fans The GIANTS So explain how this was possibly a “bad choice”? Tell me one player we could’ve gotten instead that has as much value. Imaginary trades acceptable. The way I see it, 5 first rounders of “great” talent don’t equate to what we have. This is special Quenton Nelson. The fact of the matter is runningbacks like SQB are a luxury. This team has been no better with Saquon than without him. Not only have they lost 23 games out of 32 since he was drafted, hes going into his 3rd year and we are already talking about improving this team for 2021. Yes, this team is that bad. That will be year 4 for him. Im not pinning these losses on Saquon, so dont get it twisted. You ask who benefits from this guy? The qb SureThe o line The same OL that helped SQB manage 1 rushing yard against the Jets?The receivers Slayton, being the team leading WR with a whopping 740 receiving yards?The offense as a whole The 19th ranked offense in 2019?The defense 30th ranked defense in 2019?The coach The coach that was fired after two seasons?The owner The owner who has put current GM on hot seat?The team The team thats tied in 3rd for most losses since 2018?The fans The fans who dont care about stats anymore and just want to win a game?The GIANTS Isnt this the same as the team? The GIANTS being one of the biggest jokes in the NFL last few seasons...Again, I love Saquon and I love him and DJ together. But dont make it sound like this franchise has benefited from drafting him because its just not true. Can he be one of the greats? Absolutely, I believe it. Can he stay healthy and play until hes 30? That we dont know. The entire roster has been gutted and replaced with mostly very young players almost at every position since 2018 as well,including a young qb in his second year,the generational WR who's skilsets have not been replaced yet,by week one 2021 4/5ths of tbe O line will be very young starters and probably much better,virtually the entire defense. If the new coaching staff is even half what its cracked up to be the level of play probably starts to dramatically improve by mid season even if it still doesn't lead to even a 500 season this year... Barkley will be a huge reason for this. As long as the team doesn't play Rodney Hampton football and burn him out (the boring pathetic feeble Hampton,Hampton,pass attempt on 3rd ,kick offense )
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Post by Providence on Jun 29, 2020 6:59:43 GMT -5
My answer to this question today is Tiki Barber. My answer to this question ten years from now might be Saquon Barkley. I hope it is. But I definitely can't say that today. And I sure as shit will not put any kind of bet on him being greater than Barry Sanders. Barkley's potential is massive, but better than Barry? Nah, if there was ever a player to describe as superhuman, it was Barry.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 29, 2020 19:32:10 GMT -5
My answer to this question today is Tiki Barber. My answer to this question ten years from now might be Saquon Barkley. I hope it is. But I definitely can't say that today. And I sure as shit will not put any kind of bet on him being greater than Barry Sanders. Barkley's potential is massive, but better than Barry? Nah, if there was ever a player to describe as superhuman, it was Barry. Only opposing player that I would have paid top dollar to watch play. His career could be described in one word. “Magnificent” Never have I seen a running back before and after do the things he did. He could turn on a dime, flip it and tell you if it’s heads or tails and run by a defender. I’ve seen him fool defenders out of their jocks, and I’m not talking about 53 player on a roster. I’m talking about pro bowl, all pro defenders. His college career is otherworldly. It was like he was playing with little boys and he could do whatever he wanted on the field. He could rush for 320 yards and 3 touchdowns vs Kansas State in ‘88. And after the game go grab a soda and act like it was no big deal. He was fun to watch his whole career.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 29, 2020 20:06:29 GMT -5
He’s the most talented, Barber the closest to greatness, and between Jacobs, AB, Rodney and Joe Morris it’s hard to pick a favorite.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 29, 2020 20:11:54 GMT -5
He’s the most talented, Barber the closest to greatness, and between Jacobs, AB, Rodney and Joe Morris it’s hard to pick a favorite. Rodney Hampton is one of my favorite players. He played on some bad Giant offenses. Where he was the offense. 1st down run Hampton, 2nd down run Hampton. 3rd down incomplete pass.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 29, 2020 20:23:37 GMT -5
He’s the most talented, Barber the closest to greatness, and between Jacobs, AB, Rodney and Joe Morris it’s hard to pick a favorite. Rodney Hampton is one of my favorite players. He played on some bad Giant offenses. Where he was the offense. 1st down run Hampton, 2nd down run Hampton. 3rd down incomplete pass. The best part for Hampton was that he got a ring early so at least he didn’t miss out holding down the fort for Big Blue on some awful teams. OJ’s Super Bowl MVP wouldn’t have been possible if Hampton hadn’t gone down. I’m with you, he is one of my favorites.
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Post by piddy283 on Jun 30, 2020 5:22:26 GMT -5
If you took the giants in their current state and could choose ANY RB (in their prime/glory)... Why would it not be saquan Barkley? Call me bias but from talent and athleticism aspect, Barkley can become the greatest RB the nfl has ever seen. The only player even close (almost already) is Barry sanders. I think Barkley is Barry sanders with more power + speed: Call me whatever u want but I promise you this......... Barkley will acquire Atleast 1 MVP trophy Atleast 1 SB trophy and finally Atleast 1 introduction in the hall of fame. This is the greatest rb the giants have ever had: this is the greatest rb the nfl has ever had. Get excited, Go blue, Excited gmen addict!! If recent NFL history is an indication....., Saquan's greatness will last 5 years or less.
Plus he's being over-used.
I wouldn't say Barkley is necessarily overused, but I do think he's been misused. Either way, this is one reason why I was a fan of the very under the radar acquisition of Dion Lewis. He can spell Barkley on occasional 3rd down situations, and can come in and take the lead on occasional drives. I think Gallman is an OK RB, but Lewis will step into the RB2 role. Gallman as the RB3 instead of RB2, as minor as it seems, gives us a solid stable of RB's to work with.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 30, 2020 6:23:35 GMT -5
I would take Tiki in his last 5 years. Its going to be very hard for Saquon to beat those years.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 30, 2020 6:41:06 GMT -5
I would take Tiki in his last 5 years. Its going to be very hard for Saquon to beat those years. Let's hope he does
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Post by Providence on Jun 30, 2020 6:44:50 GMT -5
My answer to this question today is Tiki Barber. My answer to this question ten years from now might be Saquon Barkley. I hope it is. But I definitely can't say that today. And I sure as shit will not put any kind of bet on him being greater than Barry Sanders. Barkley's potential is massive, but better than Barry? Nah, if there was ever a player to describe as superhuman, it was Barry. Only opposing player that I would have paid top dollar to watch play. His career could be described in one word. “Magnificent” Never have I seen a running back before and after do the things he did. He could turn on a dime, flip it and tell you if it’s heads or tails and run by a defender. I’ve seen him fool defenders out of their jocks, and I’m not talking about 53 player on a roster. I’m talking about pro bowl, all pro defenders. His college career is otherworldly. It was like he was playing with little boys and he could do whatever he wanted on the field. He could rush for 320 yards and 3 touchdowns vs Kansas State in ‘88. And after the game go grab a soda and act like it was no big deal. He was fun to watch his whole career. I never followed college football and so I didn't know much about Barry's college career until recently. I watched some videos whilst learning about his accomplishments at Oklahoma State. He really was incredible. He's got a famous run against Dallas where one of the defenders literally loses track of him like he had disappeared from the stadium. I watched that play live and was completely amazed. And I agree, never saw anything like it before and haven't seen it since.
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