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Post by giantstepz on Jul 6, 2020 22:04:30 GMT -5
Now, I'm no math geek but I know this much: "no team has ever won a Super Bowl when one player gobbles up 20% of the salary cap". The closest any team has approached that figure was when the San Francisco 49's won with 21% paid between stars Jerry Rice and Steve Young. When Patrick Mahomes was projected to get a $40 million contract, that was seen as the death knell of the Chiefs. That would leave something like $3.3 million for each of the other 52 players. So what does this new $503 million contract do to the team's cap / chances to succeed?
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Post by Jomo on Jul 6, 2020 22:18:27 GMT -5
The target is moving and the cap tends to grow every year. His % in the out years won't be as severe.
That is a long way of saying, who knows?
You can't let a talent like that get away..
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Post by giantstepz on Jul 6, 2020 22:25:56 GMT -5
The salary cap went DOWN for MLB due to the pandemic so nothing is carved in stone.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 7, 2020 0:05:52 GMT -5
He is an undeniable talent. I’m just not sure what his shelf life is. How much is actually guaranteed on the contact. I see the 403m, possibly 500m. How much do they absolutely have to pay him and when can they opt to cut ties?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 7:14:55 GMT -5
ESPN radio claims they have 20 of the 22 starters returning to the team this season so this might not matter for this season. Heard it this morning as my source.
After that the stats aren't very appealing with any QB being paid in the top 10 for making it to the Super Bowl.
I thought this was too risky with how things are currently moving in this country after this lock down to expect the cap number to continue to go up.
Will people have the cash to spend on sporting events and the other items that help the revenue stream to continue?
How many more fans are going to bail with the anthem protest going all out?
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Post by giantstepz on Jul 7, 2020 13:47:30 GMT -5
This season Mahomes will get paid low money, I believe. But when his $50 million salary kicks in that will leave $2.88 million each for the other 52 players on the roster. Tell me they won't be scrubs. The Patriots won because Brady took a discount and they had money to spread around. Investing 25% on one player is bad business. This is a contact sport - people get hurt. I remember when RG3 was the hottest QB in the League. All it takes is a shoulder or a knee injury and he's struggling to make the plays. Giants fans are use to seeing Eli trot out every game, year after year like he's immune from injury but QBs around the League are a target for sack specialists on each passing play. I predict the injury bug will leave them regretting being such a one-man team. As for his talent level: he stepped into a Playoff team - he never had to try to lead a losing team to get better. He always had an offensive-genius Coach, strong OL protection and plenty of speedy weapons: the "perfect storm". When the rest of the team sees the salary cupboard is now bare, they will be lured to "greener" pastures. This is an "I got mine, you get yours" cut-throat business. The reason I'm watching this situation unfold is because I live in Missouri and these locals only see the up-side to signing a star and have no clue that no team has won being anywhere near this top-heavy. I think I read that the top paid QBs do not have SB success simple owing to team balance. Lets see how much these Red State fans support Mahomes when the whole team Takes The Knee together this fall. I predict they will be heavily booed and much merch will be burned. Me? I support the Protest - but I'm the outlander here.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 7, 2020 14:28:41 GMT -5
What was the option?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 15:02:29 GMT -5
Chris Jones is going to be pissed. Doubt they have the money now to sign him to a big contract like he wants
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 7, 2020 15:10:16 GMT -5
how much of Mahomes contract is guaranteed money, a lot of the time contract terms are different when looked at in terms of guaranteed money..
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Post by Jomo on Jul 7, 2020 16:11:50 GMT -5
It is hard to criticize a team for locking up a unique talent like Mahomes.
Time and injuries will justify or refute the wisdom of the contract.
It is easy to criticize teams opening the bank for QBs like Flacco and Cutler.
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Post by keyofgmen on Jul 7, 2020 16:46:58 GMT -5
Just heard on NFLRadio (Pat Kirwan) that it isn't until year 8 of his contract that he will make the average salary that R Wilson makes now?
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 7, 2020 23:26:18 GMT -5
how much of Mahomes contract is guaranteed money, a lot of the time contract terms are different when looked at in terms of guaranteed money.. It's hard to judge, because his new contract is apparently added on to the existing one instead of replacing it. I've read between 64 and 84 million guaranteed. Which is a lot less than 500 million. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 23:59:41 GMT -5
how much of Mahomes contract is guaranteed money, a lot of the time contract terms are different when looked at in terms of guaranteed money.. 477 million I believe |
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 8, 2020 15:11:07 GMT -5
how much of Mahomes contract is guaranteed money, a lot of the time contract terms are different when looked at in terms of guaranteed money.. 477 million I believe Wow! |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 8, 2020 15:12:46 GMT -5
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 8, 2020 15:18:27 GMT -5
The players need to complain about the large disparity in QB contracts affecting their ability to get paid.
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Post by krappdetector on Jul 8, 2020 19:27:41 GMT -5
ESPN radio claims they have 20 of the 22 starters returning to the team this season so this might not matter for this season. Heard it this morning as my source. After that the stats aren't very appealing with any QB being paid in the top 10 for making it to the Super Bowl. I thought this was too risky with how things are currently moving in this country after this lock down to expect the cap number to continue to go up. Will people have the cash to spend on sporting events and the other items that help the revenue stream to continue? How many more fans are going to bail with the anthem protest going all out? If they have two neurons to rub together (and that's debatable) the league should cut the anthem out entirely. It's not relevant to sports or entertainment. Ré the contract, the devil is really in the details, like performance bonuses, guaranteed money, exit options, etc. |
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Post by krappdetector on Jul 8, 2020 19:29:39 GMT -5
The players need to complain about the large disparity in QB contracts affecting their ability to get paid. They'll complain the same way they do now.. by signing on with the highest bidder. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 8, 2020 20:03:03 GMT -5
how much of Mahomes contract is guaranteed money, a lot of the time contract terms are different when looked at in terms of guaranteed money.. 477 million I believe Yeah, no. His guaranteed money is between 65 and 85 million, across 2 different contracts. A nice deal, but nowhere near 450 million. It amazes me how peeps here dont understand guaranteed money. Or pretend they dont. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 10:32:59 GMT -5
Yeah, no. His guaranteed money is between 65 and 85 million, across 2 different contracts. A nice deal, but nowhere near 450 million. It amazes me how peeps here dont understand guaranteed money. Or pretend they dont. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero report that the 10-year deal is worth up to $503 million, with a rolling guarantee structure that would pay Mahomes $477 million over 12 seasons. While $140 million is fully guaranteed for injury and $106 million will be fully guaranteed by March, Mahomes gets $477 million in "guarantee mechanisms" over the life of the deal. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 9, 2020 11:18:03 GMT -5
Yeah, no. His guaranteed money is between 65 and 85 million, across 2 different contracts. A nice deal, but nowhere near 450 million. It amazes me how peeps here dont understand guaranteed money. Or pretend they dont. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero report that the 10-year deal is worth up to $503 million, with a rolling guarantee structure that would pay Mahomes $477 million over 12 seasons. While $140 million is fully guaranteed for injury and $106 million will be fully guaranteed by March, Mahomes gets $477 million in "guarantee mechanisms" over the life of the deal. Yeah, apparently the chiefs have to commit to the next year a full year before, which will make it harder to cut him. Still less than a quarter is guaranteed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 15:32:02 GMT -5
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero report that the 10-year deal is worth up to $503 million, with a rolling guarantee structure that would pay Mahomes $477 million over 12 seasons. While $140 million is fully guaranteed for injury and $106 million will be fully guaranteed by March, Mahomes gets $477 million in "guarantee mechanisms" over the life of the deal. Yeah, apparently the chiefs have to commit to the next year a full year before, which will make it harder to cut him. Still less than a quarter is guaranteed. [br Whatever it is, it’s a lot of Cheddar |
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jul 9, 2020 16:15:47 GMT -5
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