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Post by snyder55 on Jul 10, 2020 15:25:27 GMT -5
Did I miss something on Baker. The last I heard the state decided to procede with the case and not drop it like Bakers lawyer said would happen. Unless something's changed I doubt he'll ever play for the giants again. Oh didn't read that, thought his case was being dropped. Boy last 2 first rd picks that were DB's Apple and Baker have been real swings and a miss. Hope McKinney breaks that cycle. Maybe we'll have better luck with a Safety rather than CB's. how are guys like this getting through college, doesn't say too much for the school... |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 10, 2020 15:46:32 GMT -5
I am expecting a better defense this year, which is easy given the low bar.
I am hoping for much better which will take some doing and in no way certain.
There are more good pieces to move around. Young players improving and a scheme that plays to their strengths should help.
I am itching to get started.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 11, 2020 17:35:22 GMT -5
It's always funny to me whenever we get a new DC, it's always that the last one didn't play enough man coverage and didn't blitz enough. Seems to be the theme every time we change DCs. Supposedly the new guy to bring some new form of aggression. Heck, I remember people saying the same thing about Betcher when he got here.
And, Graham played a lot of Cover 1 in MIA, Giants were ranked 4th in terms of % of cover 1 usage. And I think the difference is only a couple of percentage points. Graham has a lot to prove in my eyes. The guy only has 1 year experience as a DC and it was with the 31st ranked defense last year.
Yes, the MIA defense had nothing. And neither did our defense. I don't expect the guy to do miracles here. It'll be up to the young players to develop.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 11, 2020 19:21:35 GMT -5
It's always funny to me whenever we get a new DC, it's always that the last one didn't play enough man coverage and didn't blitz enough. Seems to be the theme every time we change DCs. Supposedly the new guy to bring some new form of aggression. Heck, I remember people saying the same thing about Betcher when he got here. And, Graham played a lot of Cover 1 in MIA, Giants were ranked 4th in terms of % of cover 1 usage. And I think the difference is only a couple of percentage points. Graham has a lot to prove in my eyes. The guy only has 1 year experience as a DC and it was with the 31st ranked defense last year. Yes, the MIA defense had nothing. And neither did our defense. I don't expect the guy to do miracles here. It'll be up to the young players to develop. Until Graham regularly castrates the team's strengths by inexplicably going to a 2 down lineman front(when every time we were in a base 3 man front the defense was actually average )and forces linebackers to have to put their hands in the dirt as pseudo DEs he is an improvement by default Why trade for Williams to make a potentially top D line with only 3 man fronts when you still do stupid shit like this |
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Post by mj312 on Jul 12, 2020 8:27:43 GMT -5
I am expecting a totally different defense then we are used to under Patrick Graham. It’s still mind blowing how bad Bettcher was. Forcing our secondary to play mostly zone when their strengths were man. We didn’t blitz nearly enough albeit maybe this is because of the lack luster play of our Corners. Graham runs the cover 1 pretty much more then any other team in the NFL and will switch from a 3/4 to 4/3 as needed. Also Graham likes to blitz. A lot. I think McKinney is going to have a huge impact for us and am so excited we got him. Our front 3 and even 4 are pretty damn good against the run. We have a ton of new faces in our Secondary now which should bring out some nice competition. Does anyone feel we can be a top 20 Defense or dare I even say top 10? Betcher wasnt the guy bringing in the talent , or lack of . I think McKinney will stink and fail just like every other decent corner we have had over the years because we still have zero pass rush and can’t get to the QB. Don’t care how good he is , nobody can cover for 20 seconds . I appreciate your optimism but until we get serious about linebackers and pass rushers this defense will be a joke . We say the same thing every single year “ wow our defense should be improved “ . After the first game when the tight end runs wide open down the middle of the field , and the QBs uniform is cleaner after the game then before we are quickly brought back to reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 15:29:11 GMT -5
I am expecting a totally different defense then we are used to under Patrick Graham. It’s still mind blowing how bad Bettcher was. Forcing our secondary to play mostly zone when their strengths were man. We didn’t blitz nearly enough albeit maybe this is because of the lack luster play of our Corners. Graham runs the cover 1 pretty much more then any other team in the NFL and will switch from a 3/4 to 4/3 as needed. Also Graham likes to blitz. A lot. I think McKinney is going to have a huge impact for us and am so excited we got him. Our front 3 and even 4 are pretty damn good against the run. We have a ton of new faces in our Secondary now which should bring out some nice competition. Does anyone feel we can be a top 20 Defense or dare I even say top 10? Betcher wasnt the guy bringing in the talent , or lack of . I think McKinney will stink and fail just like every other decent corner we have had over the years because we still have zero pass rush and can’t get to the QB. Don’t care how good he is , nobody can cover for 20 seconds . I appreciate your optimism but until we get serious about linebackers and pass rushers this defense will be a joke . We say the same thing every single year “ wow our defense should be improved “ . After the first game when the tight end runs wide open down the middle of the field , and the QBs uniform is cleaner after the game then before we are quickly brought back to reality. Ehhh it’s the whole debate, were the players bad or was the scheme and/or play calling bad. We didn’t call blitzes all that often, we had our corners 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Again though you would only really know in a parallel universe with a different DC As far as McKinney, to think he will stink is just crazy. He is a beast and should have been a first round pick. Did you watch any of his college games? He doesn’t play CB, he plays Safety sooooo there’s that |
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Post by mj312 on Jul 12, 2020 19:44:19 GMT -5
Betcher wasnt the guy bringing in the talent , or lack of . I think McKinney will stink and fail just like every other decent corner we have had over the years because we still have zero pass rush and can’t get to the QB. Don’t care how good he is , nobody can cover for 20 seconds . I appreciate your optimism but until we get serious about linebackers and pass rushers this defense will be a joke . We say the same thing every single year “ wow our defense should be improved “ . After the first game when the tight end runs wide open down the middle of the field , and the QBs uniform is cleaner after the game then before we are quickly brought back to reality. Ehhh it’s the whole debate, were the players bad or was the scheme and/or play calling bad. We didn’t call blitzes all that often, we had our corners 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Again though you would only really know in a parallel universe with a different DC As far as McKinney, to think he will stink is just crazy. He is a beast and should have been a first round pick. Did you watch any of his college games? He doesn’t play CB, he plays Safety sooooo there’s that I don’t think McKinneys talent level stinks , I think his performance on the field will be average at best because of the players surrounding him .. you could put Ronnie Lot back there and he would struggle because the giants lineman count 10 Mississippi before rushing the passer .. .. I’m aware that he’s a safety but he will absolutely have his hands full.. we couldn’t blitz because the defense was just constantly getting gashed and even when they brought pressure most of the time it was just ineffective.. guys were wide open whenever we needed a stop.. this is not just Betcher.. this has been the giants M.O for the last 10 years .. our last legit pass rusher they drafted was JPP.. they have been trying to fill the linebacker and pass rusher positions with either project players they deem to have upside or bargain bin free agent picks that were taken just to be bodies on the field .. have you watched this defense prior to last year ? What’s changed in 10 years .. can’t rush the passer , can’t cover tight ends , can’t cover backs , can’t get a stop in the 4th when we need it , and get shredded by practice squad running backs .. The giants talent on defense has been average at best |
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