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Post by Dogecoin on Jul 13, 2020 6:50:28 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 13, 2020 8:04:36 GMT -5
not bad It keeps the Native American vibe going to honor them at the very least (All of my friends that have American Indian in them are livid this is happening BTW,they see nothing wrong with the name Redskins)
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Post by Dogecoin on Jul 13, 2020 9:15:07 GMT -5
"Overpaid Free Agent Busts" ... Would be more consistent with their legacy
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 13, 2020 9:33:36 GMT -5
I liked the Pigskins the best for them. Keeps the "Hog" tradition alive for them and obviously pigskin is a football. And they could also keep the nickname, "Skins" alive as well. Maybe fat people would get offended though.
Warriors isnt bad though.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 13, 2020 20:12:49 GMT -5
What a ******* joke. Maybe I’m not “getting” it. But was Redskins really that bad of a name? What next? Extremely tall people will be outraged and humiliated by the NY Giants name? I mean, I’m joking but who knows. All we need is some sourpuss to get his or her feelings hurt and want the name changed. Matter of fact, let’s change all the names in professional sports. We’ll be known as the NY Skyscrapers. Our divisional rivals will be the Washington Peace Makers. The Philadelphia Turtles and last but not least The Dallas Genders.
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Post by Dogecoin on Jul 14, 2020 5:36:23 GMT -5
"Warriors" not at all a sure thing, as it too may come under scrutiny some day (at least according to this article). I thought you'd be interested in this story Washington Redskins name change: Here are the favorites nypost.com/2020/07/13/washington-redskins-name-change-here-are-the-favorites/ Others in the mix are "Red Tails", "Hogs", and "Red Wolves". They seem to want to keep "red" as part of it. So what about "Red States" as a nod to the fans who didn't want to change the name in the first place? 😂
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Post by Providence on Jul 14, 2020 7:27:16 GMT -5
What a ******* joke. Maybe I’m not “getting” it. But was Redskins really that bad of a name? What next? Extremely tall people will be outraged and humiliated by the NY Giants name? I mean, I’m joking but who knows. All we need is some sourpuss to get his or her feelings hurt and want the name changed. Matter of fact, let’s change all the names in professional sports. We’ll be known as the NY Skyscrapers. Our divisional rivals will be the Washington Peace Makers. The Philadelphia Turtles and last but not least The Dallas Genders. Yes, Redskins is that bad of a name. It's a racial slur and it makes Native Americans feel like shit when they hear it. And our nation shouldn't make people that have already been massively oppressed feel like shit any more than our nation already has.
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Post by Providence on Jul 14, 2020 12:16:51 GMT -5
not bad It keeps the Native American vibe going to honor them at the very least (All of my friends that have American Indian in them are livid this is happening BTW,they see nothing wrong with the name Redskins) In my opinion, anecdotal evidence is of no use here. All of my friends with American Indian in them are livid that this didn't happen sooner. So where does that leave us? Do my friends cancel out your friends? Do your friends cancel out my friends? My point is that it seems like a waste of time to submit such evidence. What is relevant in such an argument, however, is high quality, generalizable data (data that was collected and analyzed in a methodologically sound fashion by people and groups who do not have an immediate financial interest in the results of the study). That data exists and it suggests that the American Indians are greatly pained by a team being named "The Redskins."
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 14, 2020 13:59:57 GMT -5
not bad It keeps the Native American vibe going to honor them at the very least (All of my friends that have American Indian in them are livid this is happening BTW,they see nothing wrong with the name Redskins) In my opinion, anecdotal evidence is of no use here. All of my friends with American Indian in them are livid that this didn't happen sooner. So where does that leave us? Do my friends cancel out your friends? Do your friends cancel out my friends? My point is that it seems like a waste of time to submit such evidence. What is relevant in such an argument, however, is high quality, generalizable data (data that was collected and analyzed in a methodologically sound fashion by people and groups who do not have an immediate financial interest in the results of the study). That data exists and it suggests that the American Indians are greatly pained by a team being named "The Redskins." I have to say...You really are the PC police around here. What happens if MY feelings are hurt? Does that count?
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Post by Providence on Jul 14, 2020 14:27:18 GMT -5
In my opinion, anecdotal evidence is of no use here. All of my friends with American Indian in them are livid that this didn't happen sooner. So where does that leave us? Do my friends cancel out your friends? Do your friends cancel out my friends? My point is that it seems like a waste of time to submit such evidence. What is relevant in such an argument, however, is high quality, generalizable data (data that was collected and analyzed in a methodologically sound fashion by people and groups who do not have an immediate financial interest in the results of the study). That data exists and it suggests that the American Indians are greatly pained by a team being named "The Redskins." I have to say...You really are the PC police around here. What happens if MY feelings are hurt? Does that count? Of course it matters if your feelings are hurt. You're a person and should be treated with dignity and respect.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 14, 2020 14:31:41 GMT -5
I have to say...You really are the PC police around here. What happens if MY feelings are hurt? Does that count? Of course it matters if your feelings are hurt. You're a person and should be treated with dignity and respect. You see....I couldn't care less if my feelings are hurt.
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Post by Providence on Jul 15, 2020 6:43:28 GMT -5
Of course it matters if your feelings are hurt. You're a person and should be treated with dignity and respect. You see....I couldn't care less if my feelings are hurt. That's good. A lot of people are pretty fragile and their feelings are disrupted over the smallest of things. It can be maddening. But I'm not sure what feelings being hurt has to do with the Washington team name and logo. Are you suggesting that Native tribes are just a group of folks who are mad because they have just had their feelings hurt? That would seem to minimize what's really going on here.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 15, 2020 7:48:11 GMT -5
What a ******* joke. Maybe I’m not “getting” it. But was Redskins really that bad of a name? What next? Extremely tall people will be outraged and humiliated by the NY Giants name? I mean, I’m joking but who knows. All we need is some sourpuss to get his or her feelings hurt and want the name changed. Matter of fact, let’s change all the names in professional sports. We’ll be known as the NY Skyscrapers. Our divisional rivals will be the Washington Peace Makers. The Philadelphia Turtles and last but not least The Dallas Genders. Yes, Redskins is that bad of a name. It's a racial slur and it makes Native Americans feel like shit when they hear it. And our nation shouldn't make people that have already been massively oppressed feel like shit any more than our nation already has. How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 15, 2020 8:10:39 GMT -5
You see....I couldn't care less if my feelings are hurt. That's good. A lot of people are pretty fragile and their feelings are disrupted over the smallest of things. It can be maddening. But I'm not sure what feelings being hurt has to do with the Washington team name and logo. Are you suggesting that Native tribes are just a group of folks who are mad because they have just had their feelings hurt? That would seem to minimize what's really going on here. I'm saying that a group of people can be offended by anything. A HUGE group of people (tens of millions) are offended by kneeling during the national anthem. I have no problem with the Redskins changing their name. I think it's dumb to do it under this pressure.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 15, 2020 8:43:16 GMT -5
That's good. A lot of people are pretty fragile and their feelings are disrupted over the smallest of things. It can be maddening. But I'm not sure what feelings being hurt has to do with the Washington team name and logo. Are you suggesting that Native tribes are just a group of folks who are mad because they have just had their feelings hurt? That would seem to minimize what's really going on here. I'm saying that a group of people can be offended by anything. A HUGE group of people (tens of millions) are offended by kneeling during the national anthem. I have no problem with the Redskins changing their name. I think it's dumb to do it under this pressure.
it needed to be done. The timing doesnt really matter.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 15, 2020 8:45:39 GMT -5
Yes, Redskins is that bad of a name. It's a racial slur and it makes Native Americans feel like shit when they hear it. And our nation shouldn't make people that have already been massively oppressed feel like shit any more than our nation already has. How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. How are those names derogatory? Maybe ask a Native American who is offended and they can tell you the difference. Are any teams called the "Crackers"? "White Trash". ? "Palefaces"? "Micks"? "Guinnies"? 'Wops"? "Krauts"? Chiefs, Braves, and Indians are not a racial slurs at all.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 15, 2020 10:41:32 GMT -5
How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. How are those names derogatory? Maybe ask a Native American who is offended and they can tell you the difference. Are any teams called the "Crackers"? "White Trash". ? "Palefaces"? "Micks"? "Guinnies"? 'Wops"? "Krauts"? Chiefs, Braves, and Indians are not a racial slurs at all.
I think you're stretching things a bit there GT. Let's not forget that what you or I find offensive is not important. It's about the people those names, images, gestures, and mascots represent - do they find it offensive? I think a good percentage of them do.
Somehow I don't picture the first explorers walking up to a group of indigenous people and saying, "Hello, we're Europeans, who are you?" "Who us, we're the Indians".
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Post by Providence on Jul 15, 2020 11:01:29 GMT -5
Yes, Redskins is that bad of a name. It's a racial slur and it makes Native Americans feel like shit when they hear it. And our nation shouldn't make people that have already been massively oppressed feel like shit any more than our nation already has. How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. None of those team names or actions are acceptable, in my opinion.
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Post by odellhasfun on Jul 15, 2020 11:09:37 GMT -5
Heard on the radio they will be announcing their name tomorrow...heard it will be changed to the D.C. Redskins so that they wont have to change their logo.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 15, 2020 11:11:13 GMT -5
How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. How are those names derogatory? Maybe ask a Native American who is offended and they can tell you the difference. Are any teams called the "Crackers"? "White Trash". ? "Palefaces"? "Micks"? "Guinnies"? 'Wops"? "Krauts"? Chiefs, Braves, and Indians are not a racial slurs at all. I was going to bring up the St. John's Redmen, which could be looked at either way - but now I see they already changed that in the 90s.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 15, 2020 11:11:47 GMT -5
How are those names derogatory? Maybe ask a Native American who is offended and they can tell you the difference. Are any teams called the "Crackers"? "White Trash". ? "Palefaces"? "Micks"? "Guinnies"? 'Wops"? "Krauts"? Chiefs, Braves, and Indians are not a racial slurs at all. I was going to bring up the St. John's Redmen, which could be looked at either way - but now I see they already changed that in the 90s. Red Storm!
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Post by Providence on Jul 15, 2020 11:12:03 GMT -5
That's good. A lot of people are pretty fragile and their feelings are disrupted over the smallest of things. It can be maddening. But I'm not sure what feelings being hurt has to do with the Washington team name and logo. Are you suggesting that Native tribes are just a group of folks who are mad because they have just had their feelings hurt? That would seem to minimize what's really going on here. I'm saying that a group of people can be offended by anything. A HUGE group of people (tens of millions) are offended by kneeling during the national anthem. I have no problem with the Redskins changing their name. I think it's dumb to do it under this pressure.
Totally agree. Someone is always going to be offended by something and you definitely cannot please everyone. But, in my opinion, the reality that someone is always going to be offended does not mean that you shouldn't try whatsoever not to offend people. And, really, it's not about being "offensive." Taking offense has become politicized. To me, it has nothing to do with not being offensive, it has to do with not being an asshole. I don't say the n-word because it'll offend my black friends, I don't say it because it causes them pain and I'm not an asshole. And you make another good observation: that when one group organizes against an act that is offensive, another group becomes offended by the act. That said, I'm not sure the kneeling during the anthem is a good example. Kap and others who kneel are not kneeling because they are offended. They are kneeling because still, after hundreds of years, people of color are experiencing police brutality at disproportionate rate. They aren't asking the criminal justice system to stop being offensive, they are asking it to stop beating and killing them. A better example, perhaps, would be people who are offended by a Christmas tree being put up in state/city funded building. Some individuals will be very offended by such and act and organize to have the tree removed. The subsequent debate and potential removal of the tree might then result in some other group being offended. Such situations are difficult. Ultimately, you have to look at what is the historic context, where one looks at the history of each group's inclusion in larger systems. Such examinations are difficult, but, in my opinion important, otherwise you just make blanket decisions and one side of the argument feels excluded and unheard.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 15, 2020 13:13:13 GMT -5
I was going to bring up the St. John's Redmen, which could be looked at either way - but now I see they already changed that in the 90s. Red Storm! Obviously, I don't follow basketball - but I remember seeing "Redmen" in newspaper headlines, and just assumed that was still their name.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 15, 2020 13:39:55 GMT -5
I'm saying that a group of people can be offended by anything. A HUGE group of people (tens of millions) are offended by kneeling during the national anthem. I have no problem with the Redskins changing their name. I think it's dumb to do it under this pressure.
it needed to be done. The timing doesnt really matter. You can't give in to the mob. It's bad form.
I remember many years ago the Masters tournament faced a threat of boycott if they didn't accept women as members. So they said "**** you" and announced that the tournament would be broadcast commercial free. It was awesome.
Then several years later, they accepted women as members. The timing actually DOES matter as far as I'm concerned.
If you give into the mob, then the mob owns you.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2020 19:05:20 GMT -5
it needed to be done. The timing doesnt really matter. You can't give in to the mob. It's bad form.
I remember many years ago the Masters tournament faced a threat of boycott if they didn't accept women as members. So they said "**** you" and announced that the tournament would be broadcast commercial free. It was awesome.
Then several years later, they accepted women as members. The timing actually DOES matter as far as I'm concerned.
If you give into the mob, then the mob owns you.
It's a tricky one...there may be no better moment than to do this just based on the nations general lack of focus. And this is probably the window that maximizes the response he gets for changing it. Mob or no, it might be best for DS (assuming a name change was inevitable)
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 15, 2020 19:27:35 GMT -5
You can't give in to the mob. It's bad form.
I remember many years ago the Masters tournament faced a threat of boycott if they didn't accept women as members. So they said "**** you" and announced that the tournament would be broadcast commercial free. It was awesome.
Then several years later, they accepted women as members. The timing actually DOES matter as far as I'm concerned.
If you give into the mob, then the mob owns you.
It's a tricky one...there may be no better moment than to do this just based on the nations general lack of focus. And this is probably the window that maximizes the response he gets for changing it. Mob or no, it might be best for DS (assuming a name change was inevitable) Yup. He has an excuse that his peers will buy. $$$
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 15, 2020 20:17:55 GMT -5
It's a tricky one...there may be no better moment than to do this just based on the nations general lack of focus. And this is probably the window that maximizes the response he gets for changing it. Mob or no, it might be best for DS (assuming a name change was inevitable) Yup. He has an excuse that his peers will buy. $$$ He is going to make money on this ... all of the new merchandising, etc.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2020 20:25:07 GMT -5
Yup. He has an excuse that his peers will buy. $$$ He is going to make money on this ... all of the new merchandising, etc. Hand over fist, I would say. But I do think that the door may be widest right now, as SJ warriors would buy 'em to show the victory.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 15, 2020 20:32:14 GMT -5
Yup. He has an excuse that his peers will buy. $$$ He is going to make money on this ... all of the new merchandising, etc. Yup. He may be " giving into the mob," but he knows politically and economically this is the best time to do it. Smart.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 15, 2020 21:45:33 GMT -5
He didn't give in to the mob. He gave in as soon as his money started disappearing. He didnt care about what fans thought, or natives, or protesters, only advertisers. Once Nike and FedEx and Walmart dropped the Skins, he was bent over backwards.
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