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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 16, 2020 14:30:34 GMT -5
........and he gave them all their freedom. Not sure that matters to the mob.
Had George only had the foresight of us tweeting ourselves while those from the far east dine on pangolin.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 16, 2020 15:51:14 GMT -5
Well, now there is word of Snyder paying referees upwards of $2m to sway games the Skins way.
Also, wild sex parties on cocaine mountains.
And pimping out the cheerleaders with blackmail.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 16, 2020 17:18:28 GMT -5
Well, now there is word of Snyder paying referees upwards of $2m to sway games the Skins way. Also, wild sex parties on cocaine mountains. And pimping out the cheerleaders with blackmail. 1) ............that is a new one and I can't see it , not with the NFL security, plus the Skins have been so bad for so long ,just doesn't make sense. .................everything else is very likely from the reports. Well, they can sway them from terrible to bad... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 16, 2020 17:44:50 GMT -5
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 16, 2020 21:56:57 GMT -5
I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m comforted by this being an isolated incident. I couldn’t imagine someone like Jerry Jones allowing this sort of thing in Dallas as an example. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 17, 2020 5:41:54 GMT -5
caving money trail new world whatever... Its time that things that are not offensive to Whites but genuinely offensive to others who inhabit this great country get a voice and see action that shows their voice is being heard. Protest without positive results is just empty protest. History is not being erased is just being reassessed to more accurate. Are there any statues of King George the 3rd in the US? Used to be on in NYC but is was gone after the Revolution I believe. There is an old church in my town (pre-revolution) that still has a King George III plaque in the bell tower. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 17, 2020 6:40:45 GMT -5
caving money trail new world whatever... Its time that things that are not offensive to Whites but genuinely offensive to others who inhabit this great country get a voice and see action that shows their voice is being heard. Protest without positive results is just empty protest. History is not being erased is just being reassessed to more accurate. Are there any statues of King George the 3rd in the US? Used to be on in NYC but is was gone after the Revolution I believe. There is an old church in my town (pre-revolution) that still has a King George III plaque in the bell tower. wow....thanks for the info.... |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 17, 2020 8:48:30 GMT -5
Snyder owns a private corporate aircraft and things I have heard about him are that he treats his crews "poorly" at times. Which is not unusual for people in his position. However the issues seems to revolve more around the female flight attendants thank the pilots. Typical rich bully prick who feels entitled and empowered because of his wealth.
Sounds familiar doesn't it
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 17, 2020 8:50:14 GMT -5
Not that this isnt serious enough in itself, but there weren't supposed to be other scandals, like bribing refs,etc?
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Post by Providence on Jul 17, 2020 9:20:02 GMT -5
It is strange to me when people label the groups asking for statues of, for example, Columbus, to be taken down, as the folks who are re-writing history or intolerant. Columbus enslaved and murdered native people. He also didn't discover this land. Neither of these are debatable. They are a matter of historical record. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who discovered this land, is the lie. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who represents something positive, is the lie. Taking down statues of him is not re-writing history, it is writing it correctly, the way it should have been written the first time.
Obviously this rubs some people the wrong way, but these are folks who don't understand the truth of Columbus. We can't simply leave statues up of people who shouldn't be celebrated simply because people don't want to read and believe in history. The truth hurts.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 18, 2020 7:39:21 GMT -5
It is strange to me when people label the groups asking for statues of, for example, Columbus, to be taken down, as the folks who are re-writing history or intolerant. Columbus enslaved and murdered native people. He also didn't discover this land. Neither of these are debatable. They are a matter of historical record. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who discovered this land, is the lie. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who represents something positive, is the lie. Taking down statues of him is not re-writing history, it is writing it correctly, the way it should have been written the first time. Obviously this rubs some people the wrong way, but these are folks who don't understand the truth of Columbus. We can't simply leave statues up of people who shouldn't be celebrated simply because people don't want to read and believe in history. The truth hurts. "Asking"? LOL... |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 18, 2020 7:58:11 GMT -5
It is strange to me when people label the groups asking for statues of, for example, Columbus, to be taken down, as the folks who are re-writing history or intolerant. Columbus enslaved and murdered native people. He also didn't discover this land. Neither of these are debatable. They are a matter of historical record. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who discovered this land, is the lie. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who represents something positive, is the lie. Taking down statues of him is not re-writing history, it is writing it correctly, the way it should have been written the first time. Obviously this rubs some people the wrong way, but these are folks who don't understand the truth of Columbus. We can't simply leave statues up of people who shouldn't be celebrated simply because people don't want to read and believe in history. The truth hurts. I have no problem with anyone “asking” to remove statues, names, etc., and going through the proper legal channels to state their case and effect the removal. I do have a problem with rioters unilaterally deciding which statues stay and which go, and then destroying public property to force their views on everyone else. |
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Post by Dogecoin on Jul 18, 2020 9:14:14 GMT -5
Yes, Redskins is that bad of a name. It's a racial slur and it makes Native Americans feel like shit when they hear it. And our nation shouldn't make people that have already been massively oppressed feel like shit any more than our nation already has. How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. But you see "Redskins" refer to skin tone, and one can see how this could have been used pejorative racist manner. The others it's far less clear. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 11:59:54 GMT -5
Not that this isnt serious enough in itself, but there weren't supposed to be other scandals, like bribing refs,etc?
Well...even if they did that didn't seem to work out very well for them.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 12:01:15 GMT -5
How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. But you see "Redskins" refer to skin tone, and one can see how this could have been used pejorative racist manner. The others it's far less clear.
How about Indian gestures, the chant and chops?
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 12:30:50 GMT -5
It is strange to me when people label the groups asking for statues of, for example, Columbus, to be taken down, as the folks who are re-writing history or intolerant. Columbus enslaved and murdered native people. He also didn't discover this land. Neither of these are debatable. They are a matter of historical record. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who discovered this land, is the lie. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who represents something positive, is the lie. Taking down statues of him is not re-writing history, it is writing it correctly, the way it should have been written the first time. Obviously this rubs some people the wrong way, but these are folks who don't understand the truth of Columbus. We can't simply leave statues up of people who shouldn't be celebrated simply because people don't want to read and believe in history. The truth hurts. Having been to Spain last year I can confirm that Columbus is certainly revered for his exploration to and of the "new world". I'd say it's obvious that we've viewed him and this country from that more romantic lens then from the eyes of those who were conquered in the process. But with Columbus I've read the man himself never stepped foot in North American which makes it pretty odd that we have a holiday for him.
As far as holidays go, this one has always been the least celebrated as far as I'm concerned, but we've taken full advantage of that Monday off to enjoy a long weekend away during some great weather. I'm with everyone else who supports civilized discussion about the removal of any statue that may be deemed offensive. I also support the increased penalties or imprisonment as a deterrent in order to stop the violence. I would also like to see those responsible for injuring Chris Green charged to the fullest extent of the law. Chris Green and his wife.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 18, 2020 16:02:42 GMT -5
Snyder owns a private corporate aircraft and things I have heard about him are that he treats his crews "poorly" at times. Which is not unusual for people in his position. However the issues seems to revolve more around the female flight attendants than the pilots. Typical rich bully prick who feels entitled and empowered because of his wealth. Sounds familiar doesn't it thank God I'm a poor guy born in Jersey City and never had to deal with guys like Snyder, they were all above my pay grade... |
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 18, 2020 16:05:00 GMT -5
Yes, Redskins is that bad of a name. It's a racial slur and it makes Native Americans feel like shit when they hear it. And our nation shouldn't make people that have already been massively oppressed feel like shit any more than our nation already has. How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. I think the whole country right now is trying to pick fly shit out of pepper to make some kind of statement about anything that will make headlines... |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 19:05:16 GMT -5
How about the other teams named after Native Americans like the Indians, Chiefs, Braves, and the host of other college, high school, and semi-pro teams? And is it offensive when Chiefs fans do the tomahawk chop chant? I’m not being facetious here, I’m truly asking. I think the whole country right now is trying to pick fly shit out of pepper to make some kind of statement about anything that will make headlines...
I think a lot of people want to appear woke. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 18, 2020 20:27:30 GMT -5
I think the whole country right now is trying to pick fly shit out of pepper to make some kind of statement about anything that will make headlines...
I think a lot of people want to appear woke. Is it just me or do all of these alleged ANTIFA protesters look the same - white, pasty faced twenty-somethings with the muscle tone of a newborn baby. Who exactly are scared of these pussies? |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 18, 2020 21:18:28 GMT -5
I think a lot of people want to appear woke. Is it just me or do all of these alleged ANTIFA protesters look the same - white, pasty faced twenty-somethings with the muscle tone of a newborn baby. Who exactly are scared of these pussies? Lol.
Being a failure of white privilege is obviously very difficult.
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Post by imgrate on Jul 19, 2020 9:59:20 GMT -5
I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m comforted by this being an isolated incident. I couldn’t imagine someone like Jerry Jones allowing this sort of thing in Dallas as an example. I know one person it happened to on a team out west. Wont go any further on details. |
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Post by Providence on Jul 20, 2020 7:34:33 GMT -5
It is strange to me when people label the groups asking for statues of, for example, Columbus, to be taken down, as the folks who are re-writing history or intolerant. Columbus enslaved and murdered native people. He also didn't discover this land. Neither of these are debatable. They are a matter of historical record. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who discovered this land, is the lie. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who represents something positive, is the lie. Taking down statues of him is not re-writing history, it is writing it correctly, the way it should have been written the first time. Obviously this rubs some people the wrong way, but these are folks who don't understand the truth of Columbus. We can't simply leave statues up of people who shouldn't be celebrated simply because people don't want to read and believe in history. The truth hurts. I have no problem with anyone “asking” to remove statues, names, etc., and going through the proper legal channels to state their case and effect the removal. I do have a problem with rioters unilaterally deciding which statues stay and which go, and then destroying public property to force their views on everyone else. The vast majority of people who want the statues removed are doing so through peaceful demonstration and pushing to change legislation and policy. The people destroying public land and vandalizing stuff are a small minority. But they are the group that gets non stop coverage in the news, so it makes sense that you and others think they represent the majority of people who oppose such statues. |
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Post by Providence on Jul 20, 2020 7:39:42 GMT -5
It is strange to me when people label the groups asking for statues of, for example, Columbus, to be taken down, as the folks who are re-writing history or intolerant. Columbus enslaved and murdered native people. He also didn't discover this land. Neither of these are debatable. They are a matter of historical record. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who discovered this land, is the lie. Erecting a statue to him, as a person who represents something positive, is the lie. Taking down statues of him is not re-writing history, it is writing it correctly, the way it should have been written the first time. Obviously this rubs some people the wrong way, but these are folks who don't understand the truth of Columbus. We can't simply leave statues up of people who shouldn't be celebrated simply because people don't want to read and believe in history. The truth hurts. Having been to Spain last year I can confirm that Columbus is certainly revered for his exploration to and of the "new world". I'd say it's obvious that we've viewed him and this country from that more romantic lens then from the eyes of those who were conquered in the process. But with Columbus I've read the man himself never stepped foot in North American which makes it pretty odd that we have a holiday for him.
As far as holidays go, this one has always been the least celebrated as far as I'm concerned, but we've taken full advantage of that Monday off to enjoy a long weekend away during some great weather. I'm with everyone else who supports civilized discussion about the removal of any statue that may be deemed offensive. I also support the increased penalties or imprisonment as a deterrent in order to stop the violence. I would also like to see those responsible for injuring Chris Green charged to the fullest extent of the law. Chris Green and his wife.
Is it possible that vandalism and acts of violence are happening at the same time that civilized discussion to change policy and legislation are? Why is it that the vandals and the people who are destroying things are the ones who "represent" the entire movement? The only reason I can conjure is because they get the most media coverage. This reminds me of conversations I have with my friends who always point to the KKK's support of Trump as an indication for how Trump voters think and feel. I remind them that those are an extreme faction within the group of Trump voters who do not represent all Trump voters. It'd be unfair to lump all Trump supporters in with David Duke. But that's what's happening here with the violent protestors and people who have rioted. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 20, 2020 8:56:59 GMT -5
I have no problem with anyone “asking” to remove statues, names, etc., and going through the proper legal channels to state their case and effect the removal. I do have a problem with rioters unilaterally deciding which statues stay and which go, and then destroying public property to force their views on everyone else. The vast majority of people who want the statues removed are doing so through peaceful demonstration and pushing to change legislation and policy. The people destroying public land and vandalizing stuff are a small minority. But they are the group that gets non stop coverage in the news, so it makes sense that you and others think they represent the majority of people who oppose such statues. I didn't say that the people destroying public and private property were in the majority. |
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Post by Providence on Jul 20, 2020 9:40:32 GMT -5
The vast majority of people who want the statues removed are doing so through peaceful demonstration and pushing to change legislation and policy. The people destroying public land and vandalizing stuff are a small minority. But they are the group that gets non stop coverage in the news, so it makes sense that you and others think they represent the majority of people who oppose such statues. I didn't say that the people destroying public and private property were in the majority. I appreciate that. I thought you were insinuating that they represent us. They don’t. It’s just like the Black Lives Matter protests. People are outraged and demanding change. They are trying to make that change happen by the appropriate mechanisms while still displaying their outrage. But, of course, it’s always a few people in every protest who go way off the rails that get the most media coverage. It’s frustrating. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 20, 2020 11:03:24 GMT -5
Having been to Spain last year I can confirm that Columbus is certainly revered for his exploration to and of the "new world". I'd say it's obvious that we've viewed him and this country from that more romantic lens then from the eyes of those who were conquered in the process. But with Columbus I've read the man himself never stepped foot in North American which makes it pretty odd that we have a holiday for him.
As far as holidays go, this one has always been the least celebrated as far as I'm concerned, but we've taken full advantage of that Monday off to enjoy a long weekend away during some great weather. I'm with everyone else who supports civilized discussion about the removal of any statue that may be deemed offensive. I also support the increased penalties or imprisonment as a deterrent in order to stop the violence. I would also like to see those responsible for injuring Chris Green charged to the fullest extent of the law. Chris Green and his wife.
Is it possible that vandalism and acts of violence are happening at the same time that civilized discussion to change policy and legislation are? Why is it that the vandals and the people who are destroying things are the ones who "represent" the entire movement? The only reason I can conjure is because they get the most media coverage. This reminds me of conversations I have with my friends who always point to the KKK's support of Trump as an indication for how Trump voters think and feel. I remind them that those are an extreme faction within the group of Trump voters who do not represent all Trump voters. It'd be unfair to lump all Trump supporters in with David Duke. But that's what's happening here with the violent protestors and people who have rioted.
I believe what you're saying is true, but I don't think for a second that these white degenerates trying to take down statues represent black people. They're simply using this for their own agendas.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 20, 2020 11:24:42 GMT -5
Isn't the warriors still offensive?? I mean some tribes were peaceful. The name is assuming that all natives were tribal warriors.Because it's clear they're trying to stick close to the native them...ya know because in popular culture natives have become highly celebrated for at least the last half a century...
See how that works?
There's real slavery going on worldwide like child/human trafficking (of ALL races and nationalities) and people are worried about a name that may or may not be legitimately offensive in origin? There are conflicting accounts by natives. Who the hell knows for sure, were any of us there? No. If they brought out the Indian mascot and threw rocks at it and did a mock trail of tears ritual I'd understand, that would be absolutely disgusting.
Maybe the NFL should invest in a small business to sponsor their uniforms? Instead of a giant full of shit corporation that subjugated children and charges an arm and a leg for shirts and shoes with a funny symbol on it? Ahh but the NFL is full of shit, and Nike are just as full of shit as they are. It's a perfect match
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Post by Providence on Jul 22, 2020 10:23:09 GMT -5
Is it possible that vandalism and acts of violence are happening at the same time that civilized discussion to change policy and legislation are? Why is it that the vandals and the people who are destroying things are the ones who "represent" the entire movement? The only reason I can conjure is because they get the most media coverage. This reminds me of conversations I have with my friends who always point to the KKK's support of Trump as an indication for how Trump voters think and feel. I remind them that those are an extreme faction within the group of Trump voters who do not represent all Trump voters. It'd be unfair to lump all Trump supporters in with David Duke. But that's what's happening here with the violent protestors and people who have rioted.
I believe what you're saying is true, but I don't think for a second that these white degenerates trying to take down statues represent black people. They're simply using this for their own agendas.
I absolutely think there are many furious White folks, using the trauma Black people have experienced as an excuse to let out their own personal rage. Ironically, they are demonstrating their own white privilege with their actions. |
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 22, 2020 11:28:05 GMT -5
I believe what you're saying is true, but I don't think for a second that these white degenerates trying to take down statues represent black people. They're simply using this for their own agendas.
I absolutely think there are many furious White folks, using the trauma Black people have experienced as an excuse to let out their own personal rage. Ironically, they are demonstrating their own white privilege with their actions. The greatest example of "white privilege" are white liberals and their preachy, superior bullshit. |
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