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Post by DandyDon on Jul 25, 2020 20:37:10 GMT -5
...and we still have OL problems, never ends. Yeah, peeps here seem happy that Solder will opt out? This is the worst possible year to lose a vet LT, regardless of how he played last year. If he does we will start a rookie at LT, with zero preseason. What could go wrong?
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Post by JoeyCush on Jul 26, 2020 8:38:10 GMT -5
...and we still have OL problems, never ends. Yeah, peeps here seem happy that Solder will opt out? This is the worst possible year to lose a vet LT, regardless of how he played last year. If he does we will start a rookie at LT, with zero preseason. What could go wrong?Well the good news is, it only took Alex Smith less than two years to be cleared from that brutal leg injury. So Daniel has that to keep in his mind
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 26, 2020 8:48:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't risk it. He's already set financially. And there is a good chance he loses his job anyway. Yea it is possible, with 2 rookie OT's plus a rookie Guard. But from what I've understood Pert is or needs a year away. I thought Thomas was going to start at RT. I read in one of the articles Judge had said earlier he would try Solder and Thomas both at LT and RT.
But I think we all feel this is Solders last year with Big Blue no matter what.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 26, 2020 8:50:27 GMT -5
...and we still have OL problems, never ends. Yeah, peeps here seem happy that Solder will opt out? This is the worst possible year to lose a vet LT, regardless of how he played last year.
If he does we will start a rookie at LT, with zero preseason. What could go wrong? I don't want Solder back if he plays like last year.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 26, 2020 9:32:13 GMT -5
Yeah, peeps here seem happy that Solder will opt out? This is the worst possible year to lose a vet LT, regardless of how he played last year.
If he does we will start a rookie at LT, with zero preseason. What could go wrong? I don't want Solder back if he plays like last year. It is true, what would we really be losing? The salary hit will hurt but it already hurts. The loss of production would be negligible.......incredible as that sounds. Adding depth is relatively cheap and whoever that may be wouldn't be far off from what we've gotten from Solder thus far. I am all for throwing the kid in at LT. If he has an inner core of character that the great ones have, he'll make mistakes and learn from them.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 26, 2020 9:47:43 GMT -5
I don't want Solder back if he plays like last year. It is true, what would we really be losing? The salary hit will hurt but it already hurts. The loss of production would be negligible.......incredible as that sounds. Adding depth is relatively cheap and whoever that may be wouldn't be far off from what we've gotten from Solder thus far. I am all for throwing the kid in at LT. If he has an inner core of character that the great ones have, he'll make mistakes and learn from them. Bechton, Wills, Wirfs are probably all going to be starting opening day. In a perfect world it would be nice to think Solder could make a complete comeback, But we can't pay him $10M to be a backup, or mentor. Unless he's 100% committed, his retirement would probably be the best for everybody.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 26, 2020 11:37:02 GMT -5
Facts.. Keep posting brother, I got your back. Most is the obvious Krunch Solder in my opinion most likely will not return, probably for the best. Leaves a lot of "new" and limited time to practice before the season starts: Thomas the 4th rounder will need to prove himself early like day 1 in his pro career, then Flemming will be inserted new to Giants team etc., I like Peart (new too) we'll see how he develops Guards we are set Zeitler and Hernandez I like how they have played Problem is the center with Pulley IMO, who is the back-up Lemieux? Pio, injured too much and is still recovering. Is Gates the option for center? Maybe the starting center is not even on the team yet? I have to believe some options are out there still. I'll leave the heavy posting to you! I always felt if we’re going to compete and be taken seriously the big guys up front have to play better. It’s been far too long since the days of pushing the opponents defenders around. Now, we’re getting pushed around. And I for one am tired of it. You know how it is, those 5 massive men have to play as a cohesive unit. Each guy playing as one, they won’t get the glory. Or even a clipping in the newspaper. But, with their success means the success of our offense. We have a young QB, best thing to do for that young man is to be able to protect him. We invested in Barkley with the 2nd overall pick in the draft. Instead of giving him the Barry Sanders treatment let’s give him the opportunity to use his abilities and showcase why we drafted him so high. The days of watching him get drilled in the backfield time and time again are over. Let’s look at what we have. Solder, an ok player who is getting paid all pro money. He will never live up to his contract, and his play will always be pedestrian at best. Hernandez, I’m not as big with him as others are. I’m still waiting for this big mauler he was portrayed as. It’s time he steps up his play. Center? Halapio when he’s not getting carted off the field he’s getting beat like a drum. There’s a reason he has played for teams like Boston Brawlers or Brooklyn Bolts. He’s not the answer at center. Pulley is a good depth guy, I wouldn’t want him penciled in as a starter. And Lemieux? He’s never played the center position before. And let’s be honest, we don’t even know if he’s cut out for this league. It’s time we upgraded I believe the second most important position on the line. Zeitler, he’s a good pro. Needs to stay healthy, that shoulder injury hampered him all season. And Thomas our highly drafted tackle. He will be our left tackle when the time is right. I don’t believe in throwing him into the fire, especially during a year with no preseason and training camp being nonexistent. Talk about setting up the young man to fail. Knowing Jason Garrett he will want to put the ball in Barkley’s hands often. With running the ball and using him out of the backfield. For any of this to work the line has to do their job. If not, I fully expect another season of hoping to get better. Instead of getting better. I’m used to the heavy lifting. That’s why my middle name is Atlas..
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 26, 2020 16:51:34 GMT -5
Most is the obvious Krunch Solder in my opinion most likely will not return, probably for the best. Leaves a lot of "new" and limited time to practice before the season starts: Thomas the 4th rounder will need to prove himself early like day 1 in his pro career, then Flemming will be inserted new to Giants team etc., I like Peart (new too) we'll see how he develops Guards we are set Zeitler and Hernandez I like how they have played Problem is the center with Pulley IMO, who is the back-up Lemieux? Pio, injured too much and is still recovering. Is Gates the option for center? Maybe the starting center is not even on the team yet? I have to believe some options are out there still. I'll leave the heavy posting to you! I always felt if we’re going to compete and be taken seriously the big guys up front have to play better. It’s been far too long since the days of pushing the opponents defenders around. Now, we’re getting pushed around. And I for one am tired of it. You know how it is, those 5 massive men have to play as a cohesive unit. Each guy playing as one, they won’t get the glory. Or even a clipping in the newspaper. But, with their success means the success of our offense. We have a young QB, best thing to do for that young man is to be able to protect him. We invested in Barkley with the 2nd overall pick in the draft. Instead of giving him the Barry Sanders treatment let’s give him the opportunity to use his abilities and showcase why we drafted him so high. The days of watching him get drilled in the backfield time and time again are over. Let’s look at what we have. Solder, an ok player who is getting paid all pro money. He will never live up to his contract, and his play will always be pedestrian at best. Hernandez, I’m not as big with him as others are. I’m still waiting for this big mauler he was portrayed as. It’s time he steps up his play. Center? Halapio when he’s not getting carted off the field he’s getting beat like a drum. There’s a reason he has played for teams like Boston Brawlers or Brooklyn Bolts. He’s not the answer at center. Pulley is a good depth guy, I wouldn’t want him penciled in as a starter. And Lemieux? He’s never played the center position before. And let’s be honest, we don’t even know if he’s cut out for this league. It’s time we upgraded I believe the second most important position on the line. Zeitler, he’s a good pro. Needs to stay healthy, that shoulder injury hampered him all season. And Thomas our highly drafted tackle. He will be our left tackle when the time is right. I don’t believe in throwing him into the fire, especially during a year with no preseason and training camp being nonexistent. Talk about setting up the young man to fail. Knowing Jason Garrett he will want to put the ball in Barkley’s hands often. With running the ball and using him out of the backfield. For any of this to work the line has to do their job. If not, I fully expect another season of hoping to get better. Instead of getting better. I’m used to the heavy lifting. That’s why my middle name is Atlas.. It's not easy and it is complicated since there are so many aspects to building just a solid team and it starts in the trenches first, without it "as proven" by Barkley he can only do so much with his athletic talent so if there is no blocking in front of him we'll never know how good he really is. I thought Thomas was the right selection I would like to see him develop as well but if Solder hangs it up everything is accelerated. Back to complicated, with all that went to the OL this draft I was surprised no center was selected. Too many holes for the Giants to fill this limits how many positions can actually get addressed by the draft. Still would have liked to see a receiver and edge rusher too in the first 4 rounds (Williams deal sucked a draft pick the Giants needed) but it did not happen. It's going to take at least another draft class, some FA's a splash of luck in finding some more gems before the Giants are where they need to be. If history is a lesson you've got to get your draft class way more right than wrong ie: Flowers. Then you trust(splash of luck here too) to see Engram have a breakout Pro year and not get hurt, Baker to not only have a lights out season but he figures out the rest of his life and Connelly hope returns from his knee injury and back to form... the list goes on. I guess we'll know soon enough if there is a season.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 26, 2020 18:38:26 GMT -5
Facts.. Keep posting brother, I got your back. Most is the obvious Krunch Solder in my opinion most likely will not return, probably for the best. Leaves a lot of "new" and limited time to practice before the season starts: Thomas the 4th rounder will need to prove himself early like day 1 in his pro career, then Flemming will be inserted new to Giants team etc., I like Peart (new too) we'll see how he develops Guards we are set Zeitler and Hernandez I like how they have played Problem is the center with Pulley IMO, who is the back-up Lemieux? Pio, injured too much and is still recovering. Is Gates the option for center? Maybe the starting center is not even on the team yet? I have to believe some options are out there still. I'll leave the heavy posting to you! Pulley has about 14 starts at Center. I don't think he's the favorite, but he's already played the position adequate enough. Gates has gotten a ton of praise from the staff about his toughness and did look strong last season. He's been taking snaps at C with Derrick Carr this offseason. The point is we have options, and experience. I don't think that position will be the biggest concern if both Zeitler and Hernandez return with no issues. As far as Thomas, I keep hearing about the lack of preseason games... Preseason as we know it will no longer exist. Let's not forget that the Giants were one of the few teams that played their starters in last years preseason and a lot of good it did for us playing against backups. Lining up against 2nd and 3rd stringers doesn't even give you the same level of quality as team practice, or a scrimmage if it's allowed this summer. The first weeks of the season is going to be the new preseason, this year and from now on. Not just for the NY Giants. Time to get used to that reality.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 26, 2020 20:54:09 GMT -5
Most is the obvious Krunch Solder in my opinion most likely will not return, probably for the best. Leaves a lot of "new" and limited time to practice before the season starts: Thomas the 4th rounder will need to prove himself early like day 1 in his pro career, then Flemming will be inserted new to Giants team etc., I like Peart (new too) we'll see how he develops Guards we are set Zeitler and Hernandez I like how they have played Problem is the center with Pulley IMO, who is the back-up Lemieux? Pio, injured too much and is still recovering. Is Gates the option for center? Maybe the starting center is not even on the team yet? I have to believe some options are out there still. I'll leave the heavy posting to you! Pulley has about 14 starts at Center. I don't think he's the favorite, but he's already played the position adequate enough. Gates has gotten a ton of praise from the staff about his toughness and did look strong last season. He's been taking snaps at C with Derrick Carr this offseason. The point is we have options, and experience. I don't think that position will be the biggest concern if both Zeitler and Hernandez return with no issues. As far as Thomas, I keep hearing about the lack of preseason games... Preseason as we know it will no longer exist. Let's not forget that the Giants were one of the few teams that played their starters in last years preseason and a lot of good it did for us playing against backups. Lining up against 2nd and 3rd stringers doesn't even give you the same level of quality as team practice, or a scrimmage if it's allowed this summer. The first weeks of the season is going to be the new preseason, this year and from now on. Not just for the NY Giants. Time to get used to that reality. Agreed, and good point on Gates. No way to really know how this plays out until the season. Still a question who is on the depth chart behind Pulley? then?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 27, 2020 7:51:27 GMT -5
Pulley has about 14 starts at Center. I don't think he's the favorite, but he's already played the position adequate enough. Gates has gotten a ton of praise from the staff about his toughness and did look strong last season. He's been taking snaps at C with Derrick Carr this offseason. The point is we have options, and experience. I don't think that position will be the biggest concern if both Zeitler and Hernandez return with no issues. As far as Thomas, I keep hearing about the lack of preseason games... Preseason as we know it will no longer exist. Let's not forget that the Giants were one of the few teams that played their starters in last years preseason and a lot of good it did for us playing against backups. Lining up against 2nd and 3rd stringers doesn't even give you the same level of quality as team practice, or a scrimmage if it's allowed this summer. The first weeks of the season is going to be the new preseason, this year and from now on. Not just for the NY Giants. Time to get used to that reality. Agreed, and good point on Gates. No way to really know how this plays out until the season. Still a question who is on the depth chart behind Pulley? then? If Gates steals the job and is even average its a major coup...the interior of the line is now above average Honestly I don't want Solder to opt out,would rather him lose his job because someone is better,which would allow a week to week competition at RT between Flemming and Peart. Lemieux is a future solution and probably a really good one somewhere as early as 2021. Problem is that anyone thinking a lack of offseason and preseason games isn't going to be an issue for this line is faulty because these players all need time and experience learning to play as a unit and in the new system. When does this happen now,week 6,week 8,week 12,week 1 2021?
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Post by McCherry on Jul 27, 2020 8:55:14 GMT -5
Agreed, and good point on Gates. No way to really know how this plays out until the season. Still a question who is on the depth chart behind Pulley? then? If Gates steals the job and is even average its a major coup...the interior of the line is now above average Honestly I don't want Solder to opt out,would rather him lose his job because someone is better,which would allow a week to week competition at RT between Flemming and Peart. Lemieux is a future solution and probably a really good one somewhere as early as 2021. Problem is that anyone thinking a lack of offseason and preseason games isn't going to be an issue for this line is faulty because these players all need time and experience learning to play as a unit and in the new system. When does this happen now,week 6,week 8,week 12,week 1 2021?I don't get why you think it will take 8-12 regular season games to compensate for 4 preseason games and some non-contact OTA's? This is going to be the new norm, and all teams from now on are going to use the first weeks of the season to prepare on the fly. Thomas's indoctrination along with other rookies around the NLF will be somewhat mitigated by the fact that their opponents will also be far from mid season from as well. I'm not dismissing OTA's, but all the offseason activities and minicamps don't mean much until actual hitting begins in camp. You hear coaches say that all the time.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 27, 2020 11:01:41 GMT -5
If Gates steals the job and is even average its a major coup...the interior of the line is now above average Honestly I don't want Solder to opt out,would rather him lose his job because someone is better,which would allow a week to week competition at RT between Flemming and Peart. Lemieux is a future solution and probably a really good one somewhere as early as 2021. Problem is that anyone thinking a lack of offseason and preseason games isn't going to be an issue for this line is faulty because these players all need time and experience learning to play as a unit and in the new system. When does this happen now,week 6,week 8,week 12,week 1 2021?I don't get why you think it will take 8-12 regular season games to compensate for 4 preseason games and some non-contact OTA's? This is going to be the new norm, and all teams from now on are going to use the first weeks of the season to prepare on the fly. Thomas's indoctrination along with other rookies around the NLF will be somewhat mitigated by the fact that their opponents will also be far from mid season from as well. I'm not dismissing OTA's, but all the offseason activities and minicamps don't mean much until actual hitting begins in camp. You hear coaches say that all the time. You mean the actual time where coaches teach,implementat the nee systems,get the first indications of who can do what,establish the depth charts. Its beyond naive to even suggest the teams that have their staffs in place for years are in the same situation as us
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Post by McCherry on Jul 27, 2020 12:28:07 GMT -5
I don't get why you think it will take 8-12 regular season games to compensate for 4 preseason games and some non-contact OTA's? This is going to be the new norm, and all teams from now on are going to use the first weeks of the season to prepare on the fly. Thomas's indoctrination along with other rookies around the NLF will be somewhat mitigated by the fact that their opponents will also be far from mid season from as well. I'm not dismissing OTA's, but all the offseason activities and minicamps don't mean much until actual hitting begins in camp. You hear coaches say that all the time. You mean the actual time where coaches teach,implementat the nee systems,get the first indications of who can do what,establish the depth charts. Its beyond naive to even suggest the teams that have their staffs in place for years are in the same situation as us Get that, but they have been doing work in the virtual meetings and monitoring individual player workouts. It's not the same, but it's not like there has been no offseason. In all, mincamp amounts to a handful of non-contact drills. Based on last years minicamp evaluation we heard how players like Paul Perkins, Sam Beal, CJ Conrad, Corey Coleman were poised for breakout seasons. Coleman got injured, but by the end of the first week of training camp, none them could found on the depth chart. The roster is pretty much set this year outside of a few positions. The actual player competition doesn't happen until the pads go on and the contact begins. You cant implement and evaluate things like OL blocking schemes in the offseason.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 27, 2020 15:51:12 GMT -5
It is true, what would we really be losing? The salary hit will hurt but it already hurts. The loss of production would be negligible.......incredible as that sounds. Adding depth is relatively cheap and whoever that may be wouldn't be far off from what we've gotten from Solder thus far. I am all for throwing the kid in at LT. If he has an inner core of character that the great ones have, he'll make mistakes and learn from them. Bechton, Wills, Wirfs are probably all going to be starting opening day. In a perfect world it would be nice to think Solder could make a complete comeback, But we can't pay him $10M to be a backup, or mentor. Unless he's 100% committed, his retirement would probably be the best for everybody. This is just a guess and maybe not fair but I think he lost the stomach for the job over the past few years. Family first is the proper order of things. Add to that a fat FA contract with us where money should no longer be the issue. Why should he take the risk of competing and all that does to one's body and that is even before the COVID thing backing up to his family. I can respect and like the guy and simultaneously be happy for us to move in a different direction at LT. He has his priorities and we as fans have ours.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 27, 2020 16:26:56 GMT -5
one of the things that will really help our offense this year is to have a coach who will stop running Barkley into the center of the line on every running play and let him get outside where he does the most damage with his elusiveness and his speed..
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Post by keyofgmen on Jul 29, 2020 17:40:56 GMT -5
Solder #1 Kind of expected as most have said. Correct decision IMO.
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