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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 25, 2020 15:17:25 GMT -5
Glad he's not going to the Pokes. Really good player. The situation became completely untenable.
lhttps://www.nfl.com/news/jets-agree-to-trade-all-pro-safety-jamal-adams-to-seahawks
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Post by Merc on Jul 25, 2020 15:32:13 GMT -5
Trade to the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for safety Bradley McDougald, a first-round and third round pick in 2021, and a 2022 first-round pick. Seattle got fleeced.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Jul 25, 2020 15:40:01 GMT -5
Trade to the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for safety Bradley McDougald, a first-round and third round pick in 2021, and a 2022 first-round pick. Seattle got fleeced. Fleeced is right! How could Seattle give up so much? |
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Post by Merc on Jul 25, 2020 15:42:33 GMT -5
Trade to the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for safety Bradley McDougald, a first-round and third round pick in 2021, and a 2022 first-round pick. Seattle got fleeced. Fleeced is right! How could Seattle give up so much? Seattle also gets the Jets' fourth-round pick in 2022. Still highway robbery. |
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Post by Merc on Jul 25, 2020 15:52:05 GMT -5
On top of all this, he is looking for a contract that exceeds $16M/year.
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Post by 3days on Jul 25, 2020 15:58:29 GMT -5
Has there ever been a DB worth that?
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Post by GameTime on Jul 25, 2020 16:37:02 GMT -5
Seattle is a win a championship now team and their D just got a great piece to add to the secondary.
Lot to give up but they can afford it and the time is right
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 25, 2020 16:41:52 GMT -5
Trade to the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for safety Bradley McDougald, a first-round and third round pick in 2021, and a 2022 first-round pick. Seattle got fleeced. WOW ! I don't think he's worth that much.
But Seattle usually picks at the end of the draft so who are they getting better with the 28th pick or whatever ? And they're going for a Super Bowl. In probably the toughest division in football. Heck 3 teams could make the playoffs this year from the NFC West.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2020 17:06:14 GMT -5
Can you imagine how Jets fans must feel since their GM said he wanted Adams to be a "Jet for life"?  |
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Post by nemesis on Jul 25, 2020 17:15:30 GMT -5
The Jets fleeced Seattle lol, how you let the Jets rob you?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 25, 2020 17:16:58 GMT -5
On paper it looks like robery
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1.Seahawks are in a win now mode
2.Whats not being discussed is how well they have drafted since Carrol came here between rounds 2 and 6 every year
They always find great football players that fit their system after round 1
Losing 2 first round picks is not a big deal
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 25, 2020 17:32:43 GMT -5
Trade to the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for safety Bradley McDougald, a first-round and third round pick in 2021, and a 2022 first-round pick. Seattle got fleeced. And it doesn’t even seem like they’ve signed him to an extension (his main beef with the Jets). Trading that kind of draft capital for a safety who you are now going to have to pay $15M a year (his reported asking price) is crazy IMO. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 25, 2020 18:39:23 GMT -5
On paper it looks like robery But 1.Seahawks are in a win now mode 2.Whats not being discussed is how well they have drafted since Carrol came here between rounds 2 and 6 every year They always find great football players that fit their system after round 1 Losing 2 first round picks is not a big deal especially if they do well, end up with low end first round picks. He does want an awful lot of money though. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Jul 25, 2020 19:39:00 GMT -5
That makes the L. Williams trade looks like child’s play.
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Post by Merc on Jul 25, 2020 19:55:58 GMT -5
He wants a new contract now. That's a big reason the Jets unloaded him. Seattle better hope they have the cap space to give him what he wants or they will have a problem on their hands. 2 1sts, a 3rd in trade for a 4th + $15M for a safety, wow!
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 25, 2020 20:06:32 GMT -5
Glad he's not going to the Pokes. Really good player. The situation became completely untenable. lhttps://www.nfl.com/news/jets-agree-to-trade-all-pro-safety-jamal-adams-to-seahawks Yeah, when you're a very good player and pubically say your HC can't get it done you will get traded. He wanted to be traded. I don't blame him. |
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 25, 2020 20:28:33 GMT -5
Just looked at the details. They got a lot of value for him.
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Post by robl on Jul 26, 2020 7:29:35 GMT -5
Has there ever been a DB worth that? Revis? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 26, 2020 18:05:02 GMT -5
Its deals like this that further my confidence we didnt get enough for Odell.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 26, 2020 18:38:50 GMT -5
Its deals like this that further my confidence we didnt get enough for Odell. The Seattle D - if their philosophy hasn't changed - is built around great safety play. For them it's a foundational piece. That isn't possible with WRs. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 27, 2020 9:22:03 GMT -5
Its deals like this that further my confidence we didnt get enough for Odell. The Seattle D - if their philosophy hasn't changed - is built around great safety play. For them it's a foundational piece. That isn't possible with WRs. I dont get this. Are you saying you can build around a S but not a WR? |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 27, 2020 9:49:07 GMT -5
Its deals like this that further my confidence we didnt get enough for Odell. Seahawks and Browns in two totally different positions with the state of their teams. Seattle can afford to give up the farm for a single piece they can use. The Browns were/are not in that position. cant compare these trades at all. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 27, 2020 9:58:29 GMT -5
Its deals like this that further my confidence we didnt get enough for Odell. Seahawks and Browns in two totally different positions with the state of their teams. Seattle can afford to give up the farm for a single piece they can use. The Browns were/are not in that position. cant compare these trades at all. The problem is, it wasnt just the Browns in on Odell. And DG didnt want to listen or negotiate. It all comes down to what you think Peppers was. He WAS a first round pick, but IMO he isnt a first round safety after playing a few years. That said, if you think he was a first round talent still and worth a 1st, then that would be the equivalent of 2 first rounders, but Peppers would need to get paid sooner than the Giants own 1st round pick. As much as I wanted Odell gone, I feel like we should have either got a top 7-8 pick (plus some later rounders) or 2 later 1st rounders. I dont think DG tried enough to max the value we could have gotten. There are plenty of other examples too. Not just Adams. Recently Khalil Mack to Chicago, Leramy Tunsil to Houston, Jalen Ramsey to Rams... All got 2 first rounders back. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 27, 2020 10:00:33 GMT -5
The Seattle D - if their philosophy hasn't changed - is built around great safety play. For them it's a foundational piece. That isn't possible with WRs. I dont get this. Are you saying you can build around a S but not a WR? Yes. In this case if Seattle is looking to recreate the defense that carried them to a super bowl. I’m not aware of any team that has ever successfully been built a WR. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 27, 2020 10:03:27 GMT -5
Seahawks and Browns in two totally different positions with the state of their teams. Seattle can afford to give up the farm for a single piece they can use. The Browns were/are not in that position. cant compare these trades at all. The problem is, it wasnt just the Browns in on Odell. And DG didnt want to listen or negotiate. It all comes down to what you think Peppers was. He WAS a first round pick, but IMO he isnt a first round safety after playing a few years. That said, if you think he was a first round talent still and worth a 1st, then that would be the equivalent of 2 first rounders, but Peppers would need to get paid sooner than the Giants own 1st round pick. As much as I wanted Odell gone, I feel like we should have either got a top 7-8 pick (plus some later rounders) or 2 later 1st rounders. I dont think DG tried enough to max the value we could have gotten. There are plenty of other examples too. Not just Adams. Recently Khalil Mack to Chicago, Leramy Tunsil to Houston, Jalen Ramsey to Rams... All got 2 first rounders back. That doesn’t make sense to me, none of them are WRs. What about Hopkins? He’s a better WR then Beckham and he didn’t return anything near what you’re suggesting. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 27, 2020 10:07:39 GMT -5
I dont get this. Are you saying you can build around a S but not a WR? Yes. In this case if Seattle is looking to recreate the defense that carried them to a super bowl. I’m not aware of any team that has ever successfully been built a WR. I am not aware of any team that successfully built around a safety either. Russell Wilson? Marshawn Lynch? The rest of the defense not named Earl Thomas? They all were pretty damn good. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 27, 2020 10:10:54 GMT -5
The problem is, it wasnt just the Browns in on Odell. And DG didnt want to listen or negotiate. It all comes down to what you think Peppers was. He WAS a first round pick, but IMO he isnt a first round safety after playing a few years. That said, if you think he was a first round talent still and worth a 1st, then that would be the equivalent of 2 first rounders, but Peppers would need to get paid sooner than the Giants own 1st round pick. As much as I wanted Odell gone, I feel like we should have either got a top 7-8 pick (plus some later rounders) or 2 later 1st rounders. I dont think DG tried enough to max the value we could have gotten. There are plenty of other examples too. Not just Adams. Recently Khalil Mack to Chicago, Leramy Tunsil to Houston, Jalen Ramsey to Rams... All got 2 first rounders back. That doesn’t make sense to me, none of them are WRs. What about Hopkins? He’s a better WR then Beckham and he didn’t return anything near what you’re suggesting. Keyshawn Johnson? lol I was pointing out great players that brought back 2 firsts recently. I feel Odell should and could have. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 27, 2020 10:19:55 GMT -5
Yes. In this case if Seattle is looking to recreate the defense that carried them to a super bowl. I’m not aware of any team that has ever successfully been built a WR. I am not aware of any team that successfully built around a safety either. Russell Wilson? Marshawn Lynch? The rest of the defense not named Earl Thomas? They all were pretty damn good. I’m talking about the safety as a lynchpin for the defensive strategy. It couldn’t be Lynch, he’s a RB and Wilson was a big part of that run but he wasn’t carrying that team, IMO the defense was. To me this is simply positional value. Top WRs and RBs are just not that hard to find. Also, I do think Seattle overpaid significantly in this deal. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 27, 2020 10:23:27 GMT -5
That doesn’t make sense to me, none of them are WRs. What about Hopkins? He’s a better WR then Beckham and he didn’t return anything near what you’re suggesting. Keyshawn Johnson? lol I was pointing out great players that brought back 2 firsts recently. I feel Odell should and could have. I’m missing the Keyshawn Johnson reference. Regardless, a top 10-15 WR isn’t bringing that much back. Like I said Hopkins is a better player and he didn’t bring anything close to 2 firsts back, I can’t imagine why we’d think Beckham would. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 27, 2020 10:27:33 GMT -5
Keyshawn Johnson? lol I was pointing out great players that brought back 2 firsts recently. I feel Odell should and could have. I’m missing the Keyshawn Johnson reference. Regardless, a top 10-15 WR isn’t bringing that much back. Like I said Hopkins is a better player and he didn’t bring anything close to 2 firsts back, I can’t imagine why we’d think Beckham would. KJ was traded for 2 firsts back in the day. The entire planet knows Houston's BOB screwed up that trade. Kinda like how we both agree Seattle way overpaid in this trade. He is a safety. Who will demand HUGE money in a year or so. Is he better than Peppers and McKinney? Probably much better. But he is still a safety. Kinda seems like Seattle is going all in on this year. With all the Covid stuff going on, not sure its a smart gamble. |
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