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Post by jb456 on Jul 29, 2020 16:17:51 GMT -5
how much money is the team actually on the hook for even if Solder does retire, just wondering.... The Giants wouldn't have to pay his salary but would have to pay his signing bonus and restructure. So about $13M cap hit, no money given out. They could always attempt to claw back some of the signing bonus but that rarely happens and wouldn't in Solder's case...
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 29, 2020 16:25:36 GMT -5
how much money is the team actually on the hook for even if Solder does retire, just wondering.... The Giants wouldn't have to pay his salary but would have to pay his signing bonus and restructure. So about $13M cap hit, no money given out. They could always attempt to claw back some of the signing bonus but that rarely happens and wouldn't in Solder's case... So basically prudent to roll all of his savings over to next year to cover this situation
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2020 16:34:10 GMT -5
Good decision for he and his family. . The Giants will move on and get Thomas ready to go
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Post by southerner on Jul 29, 2020 17:23:31 GMT -5
It gives them cap relief for this year. However, he will still be about a 20 million dollar hit next year if he decides to play. Roll the saving into next year No need to sign anyone major in a dead season this year.. I agree...this year is a wash for every team. If a team can get through the full season, they will be more than happy, and it gives the Young Giants some experience. I expect the football to be pretty poor this year as teams will be playing games with little to no real practice. Offenses will be horrid early on, featuring lots of rushing plays, with the occasional broken play long TD rush and/or pass play. Who knows.....could finally be the year the Browns or Bills win it all.
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Post by DJones19 on Jul 29, 2020 17:35:08 GMT -5
Appears like he is quitting because his son has cancer. I understand that reason. Not related to COVID. However, I also read that there is no penalty this year due to COVID for players who don't play.
What does "no penalty" mean? Is he still getting paid?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 29, 2020 19:01:10 GMT -5
So, that leaves us going with the Erick Flowers model in Andrew Thomas. Thomas is the much better prospect, but still a prospect. I was hoping we would get at least the opening of 2020 with him on the right side. Thomas is the LT Who is the RT? Gates? How about the guy we got from Dallas. (forgot his name) He's a swing tackle like Gates plus the rookie Pert (3rd rd). Gates was suppose to be vying for starting Center. Guess he starts somewhere on our OL.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 29, 2020 19:09:02 GMT -5
So, that leaves us going with the Erick Flowers model in Andrew Thomas. Thomas is the much better prospect, but still a prospect. I was hoping we would get at least the opening of 2020 with him on the right side. Thomas is the LT Who is the RT? Gates? we're not exactly unprepared for Solder opting out of the season, just wondering how that effects the team financially.. We arent? We could be starting 2 rookies at OT week 1 without any preseason games...
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 29, 2020 19:27:51 GMT -5
So, that leaves us going with the Erick Flowers model in Andrew Thomas. Thomas is the much better prospect, but still a prospect. I was hoping we would get at least the opening of 2020 with him on the right side. Thomas is the LT Who is the RT? Gates? How about the guy we got from Dallas. (forgot his name) He's a swing tackle like Gates plus the rookie Pert (3rd rd). Gates was suppose to be vying for starting Center. Guess he starts somewhere on our OL. Flemming I think he is good depth to have in case of an injury. Unfortunately Solder opting out probably puts him at RT starting. Although I believe he played LT with Dallas in a handful of games when Smoth got hurt. Like 3 or 4. That's what he is. A backup depth guy who can spot start. Gates I think is being looked at as a C right now. Unless he can play G, C and T...
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Post by cocktailkerry on Jul 29, 2020 19:37:03 GMT -5
Looks like I'm going to get my wish that Andrew Thomas starts immediately at LT. I would be surprised if anyone but Cam Fleming starts on the right side given the shortened camp with no preseason games since he is already familiar with the offense. Look for Gates, Pully, and possibly Halapio to battle it out and Center with Lemieux mostly redshirting cross training at Center and Guard.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 29, 2020 19:42:41 GMT -5
How about the guy we got from Dallas. (forgot his name) He's a swing tackle like Gates plus the rookie Pert (3rd rd). Gates was suppose to be vying for starting Center. Guess he starts somewhere on our OL. Flemming I think he is good depth to have in case of an injury. Unfortunately Solder opting out probably puts him at RT starting. Although I believe he played LT with Dallas in a handful of games when Smoth got hurt. Like 3 or 4. That's what he is. A backup depth guy who can spot start. Gates I think is being looked at as a C right now. Unless he can play G, C and T... I think you're probably right. Flemming at RT, Gates or Pulley at C, at least in the beginning... I think in time this is the makings of a solid group. We won't miss Solder at all.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 29, 2020 19:42:44 GMT -5
Looks like I'm going to get my wish that Andrew Thomas starts immediately at LT. I would be surprised if anyone but Cam Fleming starts on the right side given the shortened camp with no preseason games since he is already familiar with the offense. Look for Gates, Pully, and possibly Halapio to battle it out and Center with Lemieux mostly redshirting cross training at Center and Guard. Sounds about right. I just worry about rookie LTs. Starting them there day one rarely happens. Most start at RT and work out the kinks, get familiar with the speed of the game first. We could see a lot of what we saw latest year with guys just blowing by the edges. Early on at least. That said, Thomas was my pick. Dude is a monster.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 29, 2020 19:51:32 GMT -5
I’m glad everyone got the nice stuff out of the way, good for him and his family. That said, bad football player for the last 2 years on a huge contract. Don’t come back next year either.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 29, 2020 20:07:12 GMT -5
I’m glad everyone got the nice stuff out of the way, good for him and his family. That said, bad football player for the last 2 years on a huge contract. Don’t come back next year either. ....who ever said you had class , was mistaken. Nate and his family have class.......... I apologize I didn’t realize his personal situation precluded us from being honest. I don’t have class for being honest? It’s not like I’m dancing at his funeral. This is a multi millionaire multiple times over. His personal situation is difficult, but he won’t be missed on the field and there is a ton of video out there to prove it.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 29, 2020 20:18:49 GMT -5
Flemming I think he is good depth to have in case of an injury. Unfortunately Solder opting out probably puts him at RT starting. Although I believe he played LT with Dallas in a handful of games when Smoth got hurt. Like 3 or 4. That's what he is. A backup depth guy who can spot start. Gates I think is being looked at as a C right now. Unless he can play G, C and T... I think you're probably right. Flemming at RT, Gates or Pulley at C, at least in the beginning... I think in time this is the makings of a solid group. We won't miss Solder at all. I don't want to be buzz Killington but you lost me at Having Flemming as the Giants starting RT. He is a decent backup but sh*t just got real is he starting....
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 29, 2020 20:46:26 GMT -5
I apologize I didn’t realize his personal situation precluded us from being honest. Ahhh try and spin your way out of looking foolish bye pretending that you were "honest",......................bs. What are you talking about? My initial post was the truth. Nothing but the best for him and his family. Him not playing is best for the Giants. Get the kids in and don’t keep Solder in the lineup as a financial responsibility. Again, facts.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 29, 2020 20:52:35 GMT -5
I think you're probably right. Flemming at RT, Gates or Pulley at C, at least in the beginning... I think in time this is the makings of a solid group. We won't miss Solder at all. I don't want to be buzz Killington but you lost me at Having Flemming as the Giants starting RT. He is a decent backup but sh*t just got real is he starting.... He’s the only Tackle on the roster with any experience playing the position.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 29, 2020 20:58:37 GMT -5
I don't want to be buzz Killington but you lost me at Having Flemming as the Giants starting RT. He is a decent backup but sh*t just got real is he starting.... He’s the only Tackle on the roster with any experience playing the position. Lol But someone said we prepared for this situation. Lots of learning going to go on this year. DJ is going to need to feel the pressure this year. Thomas-Hernandez-Gates/Halapio-Zeitler-Flemming/Peart Looks very... uncomfortable.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 29, 2020 21:22:26 GMT -5
Flemming I think he is good depth to have in case of an injury. Unfortunately Solder opting out probably puts him at RT starting. Although I believe he played LT with Dallas in a handful of games when Smoth got hurt. Like 3 or 4. That's what he is. A backup depth guy who can spot start. Gates I think is being looked at as a C right now. Unless he can play G, C and T... I think you're probably right. Flemming at RT, Gates or Pulley at C, at least in the beginning... I think in time this is the makings of a solid group. We won't miss Solder at all. Thomas I would think being the extreme workaholic type will be decent enough this year, We won't see our best 5 on the field playing at a good level till 2021 once Lemeux and Peart are day one starters At least we have sound coaching and someone familiar with the OC to at least attempt to scheme around what will probably be a shaky line to start out
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 29, 2020 21:23:56 GMT -5
I think you're probably right. Flemming at RT, Gates or Pulley at C, at least in the beginning... I think in time this is the makings of a solid group. We won't miss Solder at all. I don't want to be buzz Killington but you lost me at Having Flemming as the Giants starting RT. He is a decent backup but sh*t just got real is he starting.... I miss Killington. Especially the Wobbly Barn after skiing all day.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 29, 2020 21:32:24 GMT -5
I don't want to be buzz Killington but you lost me at Having Flemming as the Giants starting RT. He is a decent backup but sh*t just got real is he starting.... He’s the only Tackle on the roster with any experience playing the position. Oh, I didn't say you were wrong. In fact, that's the most likely scenario. I was just expressing my disgust of that happening.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 29, 2020 21:41:10 GMT -5
I don't want to be buzz Killington but you lost me at Having Flemming as the Giants starting RT. He is a decent backup but sh*t just got real is he starting.... I miss Killington. Especially the Wobbly Barn after skiing all day. Haha, I went there a few years back with the boys. Went up on a Friday and there was nasty traffic. We ended eating at the Wobbly barn. Good food but ended up drinking to much and skiing on a hangover was rough.. Also, there were only 2 rooms left in the lodge we stayed at and one of them smelled like a dead body was rotting under the bed. The also didn't mix well with the hangover....
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 29, 2020 22:10:04 GMT -5
Well, he'll never play another down for us unless his contract is pushed back. How does that work cap wise? Can we go sign Clowney with his money? He's a non essential worker. I better not see him walking around NY Some of us have been going to work everyday for a lot less, but that's his choice to make. He made his millions. I respect his decision.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 30, 2020 5:40:09 GMT -5
Well, he'll never play another down for us unless his contract is pushed back. How does that work cap wise? Can we go sign Clowney with his money? He's a non essential worker. I better not see him walking around NY Some of us have been going to work everyday for a lot less, but that's his choice to make. He made his millions. I respect his decision. He’s a cancer survivor with a young son who has cancer. How does you or anyone else going to work everyday have any relation whatsoever to his decision?
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Post by ratbastich on Jul 30, 2020 6:44:01 GMT -5
These are rough times and personal health and family and their health should always come first. Even though I am a consumer, I applaud these guys who can walk away with the temptation of all that money and choose family. I don't care how bad he played for us, he was probably still better than what we had for a while before him.
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Post by giants8493 on Jul 30, 2020 6:51:34 GMT -5
Does this lab they should sign clowney?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 7:32:53 GMT -5
Does this lab they should sign clowney? Why would they do that now that the great Marcus Golden will be signing his tender. He has 7 more sacks then clowney so he's 3x better!!
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Post by lasion2 on Jul 30, 2020 8:22:32 GMT -5
No reason to waste the 9 million on a rental for this year. Just roll it over. As far as I can tell his contract gets pushed back a year.
Watt, Mack, and Bosa is a tough draw for weeks 1-3. I think Judge/Garret/Columbo will need to block off some time to keep the kids’ morale and confidence up when they get beat like the rookie drums they are.
I’m a big Gates fan, but I’d be surprised if he beats pulley out for C with limited camp and no preseason. I fantasize about Gates and Lemieux getting a season of spot starts at C/G this year and then a whole “normal” off season to put it together. That’d make Zietler an interesting trade piece next spring and knock C down the list of needs. It would save 12 million in cap and free us up to go WR/EDGE/CB in the early rounds of 2021 draft.
Interestingly enough, Solder opting out doesn’t really change my win/loss predictions for the team this year
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 30, 2020 8:22:48 GMT -5
Does this lab they should sign clowney? Why would they do that now that the great Marcus Golden will be signing his tender. He has 7 more sacks then clowney so he's 3x better!!And why the hell do we need this overpriced band aid in essentially a dead year for the team when the right thing to do is roll the money into next year's cap to absorb the possible cap hit if he retires/ is cut
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 30, 2020 8:25:58 GMT -5
No reason to waste the 9 million on a rental for this year. Just roll it over. As far as I can tell his contract gets pushed back a year. Watt, Mack, and Bosa is a tough draw for weeks 1-3. I think Judge/Garret/Columbo will need to block off some time to keep the kids’ morale and confidence up when they get beat like the rookie drums they are. I’m a big Gates fan, but I’d be surprised if he beats pulley out for C with limited camp and no preseason. I fantasize about Gates and Lemieux getting a season of spot starts at C/G this year and then a whole “normal” off season to put it together. That’d make Zietler an interesting trade piece next spring and knock C down the list of needs. It would save 12 million in cap and free us up to go WR/EDGE/CB in the early rounds of 2021 draft. Interestingly enough, Solder opting out doesn’t really change my win/loss predictions for the team this year As usual we are on the same page And I'm seeing the "SIGN CLOWNEY YOU STOOOOOOOO0O00PID IMGRATE " posts all over the internet.. Let the kids play and let CLOWNEY be someone else's overpaid foolsgold
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 8:50:02 GMT -5
No reason to waste the 9 million on a rental for this year. Just roll it over. As far as I can tell his contract gets pushed back a year. Watt, Mack, and Bosa is a tough draw for weeks 1-3. I think Judge/Garret/Columbo will need to block off some time to keep the kids’ morale and confidence up when they get beat like the rookie drums they are. I’m a big Gates fan, but I’d be surprised if he beats pulley out for C with limited camp and no preseason. I fantasize about Gates and Lemieux getting a season of spot starts at C/G this year and then a whole “normal” off season to put it together. That’d make Zietler an interesting trade piece next spring and knock C down the list of needs. It would save 12 million in cap and free us up to go WR/EDGE/CB in the early rounds of 2021 draft. Interestingly enough, Solder opting out doesn’t really change my win/loss predictions for the team this year As usual we are on the same page And I'm seeing the "SIGN CLOWNEY YOU STOOOOOOOO0O00PID IMGRATE " posts all over the internet.. Let the kids play and let CLOWNEY be someone else's overpaid foolsgold I feel the same way with Golden that they should let the kids play but as you can see that even this site has many fans thrilled about him coming back this season..
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