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Post by jb456 on Jul 30, 2020 9:16:56 GMT -5
Well, he'll never play another down for us unless his contract is pushed back. How does that work cap wise? Can we go sign Clowney with his money? He's a non essential worker. I better not see him walking around NY Some of us have been going to work everyday for a lot less, but that's his choice to make. He made his millions. I respect his decision. Dude, this is a little out there. You're kind of bagging on a cancer survivor with 1 freaking testicle who is looking out for his son who is battling cancer. Regardless of his contribution to the team, Solder has always been a class act....
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Post by jb456 on Jul 30, 2020 9:29:45 GMT -5
As usual we are on the same page And I'm seeing the "SIGN CLOWNEY YOU STOOOOOOOO0O00PID IMGRATE " posts all over the internet.. Let the kids play and let CLOWNEY be someone else's overpaid foolsgold I feel the same way with Golden that they should let the kids play but as you can see that even this site has many fans thrilled about him coming back this season.. I see where you are coming from regarding letting the younger players play but Golden's situation is a little different. 1) Golden would make only $4.1M in 2020 unless he has 10 sacks, (Would rise to $5.1M) 2) Golden led the team in sacks, pressures and tackles behind the LOS in 2019. Getting a quality player on the cheap isn't such a terrible thing. Plus, it gives the Giants more flexibility, which is pretty nice. In Clowney's case, he probably wouldn't play for less than what? $12M on a 1 year deal? This would be about 3x Golden's salary and would impact the cap much more severely..
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Post by Jomo on Jul 30, 2020 9:33:38 GMT -5
I feel the same way with Golden that they should let the kids play but as you can see that even this site has many fans thrilled about him coming back this season.. I see where you are coming from regarding letting the younger players play but Golden's situation is a little different. 1) Golden would make only $4.1M in 2020 unless he has 10 sacks, (Would rise to $5.1M) 2) Golden led the team in sacks, pressures and tackles behind the LOS in 2019. Getting a quality player on the cheap isn't such a terrible thing. Plus, it gives the Giants more flexibility, which is pretty nice. In Clowney's case, he probably wouldn't play for less than what? $12M on a 1 year deal? This would be about 3x Golden's salary and would impact the cap much more severely.. If he plays like he did last year, it would be an excellent value for us. Judge is too smart to let a player get the nod without competing and earning it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 9:36:43 GMT -5
I feel the same way with Golden that they should let the kids play but as you can see that even this site has many fans thrilled about him coming back this season.. I see where you are coming from regarding letting the younger players play but Golden's situation is a little different. 1) Golden would make only $4.1M in 2020 unless he has 10 sacks, (Would rise to $5.1M) 2) Golden led the team in sacks, pressures and tackles behind the LOS in 2019. Getting a quality player on the cheap isn't such a terrible thing. Plus, it gives the Giants more flexibility, which is pretty nice. In Clowney's case, he probably wouldn't play for less than what? $12M on a 1 year deal? This would be about 3x Golden's salary and would impact the cap much more severely.. Thanks for the effort but I will still stand with my opinion that having Golden taking away snaps from Carter and Xman is a mistake for this year. He brought very little to help the team last year so I don't know why he's considered a "quality player" and why bother going another year when they have already decided he's not in the future for this team.. How has bringing in these bargain players been working out these past handful of years??
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 30, 2020 9:46:35 GMT -5
As usual we are on the same page And I'm seeing the "SIGN CLOWNEY YOU STOOOOOOOO0O00PID IMGRATE " posts all over the internet.. Let the kids play and let CLOWNEY be someone else's overpaid foolsgold I feel the same way with Golden that they should let the kids play but as you can see that even this site has many fans thrilled about him coming back this season.. Big difference is that Golden is a cheap placeholder type that can actually stabilize things on that side of the ball with the upside he becomes a trade chip or a future comp pick if he balls early and often,and if someone like Coughlin starts to steal playing time from him its not a bad cap hit Clowney,still going to cost someone paying for his past college hype(actually he was a 1 year wonder even then )way too much money to maybe play 10 games at nost? Hypothetically Carter Coughlin wally pipps Clowney here and shows he can play we waste 10 million of the saved cap number we might need to soften the blow of having to deal with Solder in 2021
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Post by McCherry on Jul 30, 2020 9:57:53 GMT -5
I see where you are coming from regarding letting the younger players play but Golden's situation is a little different. 1) Golden would make only $4.1M in 2020 unless he has 10 sacks, (Would rise to $5.1M) 2) Golden led the team in sacks, pressures and tackles behind the LOS in 2019. Getting a quality player on the cheap isn't such a terrible thing. Plus, it gives the Giants more flexibility, which is pretty nice. In Clowney's case, he probably wouldn't play for less than what? $12M on a 1 year deal? This would be about 3x Golden's salary and would impact the cap much more severely.. Thanks for the effort but I will still stand with my opinion that having Golden taking away snaps from Carter and Xman is a mistake for this year. He brought very little to help the team last year so I don't know why he's considered a "quality player" and why bother going another year when they have already decided he's not in the future for this team.. How has bringing in these bargain players been working out these past handful of years?? I've probably pointed out how overrated Golden is more than anyone, but I disagree having him here is a bad thing, especially what we're paying him. He's a leader, mentor, and quality guy. I agree that out of his 10 sacks, nobody remembers any of them. But in a competent defense and a better secondary, his impact will definitely be maximized. All those numbers go up if the QB needs more time to find receivers. In a season like this we need proven veterans and leaders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 10:38:39 GMT -5
I feel the same way with Golden that they should let the kids play but as you can see that even this site has many fans thrilled about him coming back this season.. Big difference is that Golden is a cheap placeholder type that can actually stabilize things on that side of the ball with the upside he becomes a trade chip or a future comp pick if he balls early and often,and if someone like Coughlin starts to steal playing time from him its not a bad cap hit Clowney,still going to cost someone paying for his past college hype(actually he was a 1 year wonder even then )way too much money to maybe play 10 games at nost? Hypothetically Carter Coughlin wally pipps Clowney here and shows he can play we waste 10 million of the saved cap number we might need to soften the blow of having to deal with Solder in 2021 Clowney is a much better player than Golden ever has been and while we are in agreement that it would be dumb to sign him I see the same issues with giving a player like Golden plays when he is certainly not in the future for a team that is all about the future at this time. Going into next year they will most likely need a solid pass rusher BUT if Xman can prove to be the next Tuck then they can focus on a few of the other areas in need. How is that going to be accomplished without seeing the playing time on the field this year??
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Post by jb456 on Jul 30, 2020 10:41:38 GMT -5
I see where you are coming from regarding letting the younger players play but Golden's situation is a little different. 1) Golden would make only $4.1M in 2020 unless he has 10 sacks, (Would rise to $5.1M) 2) Golden led the team in sacks, pressures and tackles behind the LOS in 2019. Getting a quality player on the cheap isn't such a terrible thing. Plus, it gives the Giants more flexibility, which is pretty nice. In Clowney's case, he probably wouldn't play for less than what? $12M on a 1 year deal? This would be about 3x Golden's salary and would impact the cap much more severely.. Thanks for the effort but I will still stand with my opinion that having Golden taking away snaps from Carter and Xman is a mistake for this year. He brought very little to help the team last year so I don't know why he's considered a "quality player" and why bother going another year when they have already decided he's not in the future for this team.. How has bringing in these bargain players been working out these past handful of years?? I understand, just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 30, 2020 12:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 30, 2020 15:13:45 GMT -5
we're not exactly unprepared for Solder opting out of the season, just wondering how that effects the team financially.. We arent? We could be starting 2 rookies at OT week 1 without any preseason games... this going to be a less than stellar season this year for all teams so if this tackle situation had to happen this might be the right time to get a player ready for what we hope will be a normal season next year...
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Post by McCherry on Jul 30, 2020 15:29:53 GMT -5
we're not exactly unprepared for Solder opting out of the season, just wondering how that effects the team financially.. We could be starting 2 rookies at OT week 1 without any preseason games... I seriously doubt that.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 30, 2020 16:14:14 GMT -5
We could be starting 2 rookies at OT week 1 without any preseason games... I seriously doubt that. Me too. Its suicide. Well, 1 is definitly starting at tackle. Peart is the question. I think it will be Flemming though. Injuries happen though so there is a chance.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 30, 2020 16:37:46 GMT -5
Incredible that we never seem to get over this OL hump. Seems to be going on 8 years or more now.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 30, 2020 21:33:23 GMT -5
We could be starting 2 rookies at OT week 1 without any preseason games... I seriously doubt that. Who do you think are starting at ot?
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Post by jb456 on Jul 30, 2020 21:49:53 GMT -5
Who do you think are starting at ot? Thomas at LT, Flemming and Gates will battle it out at RT. Don't think Peart is ready...
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Post by Jomo on Jul 30, 2020 22:08:55 GMT -5
Who do you think are starting at ot? You and me with Rosey in the wings
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 9:38:19 GMT -5
Who do you think are starting at ot? Thomas LT, Gates/Flemming RT. C becomes the bigger question now if Gates is out of the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 10:10:32 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice to have a single defensive player win a big game on pure raw talent?
Future, I see Andrew Thomas the starting RT, with Matt Peart settling into the starting blind side.....
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 10:25:09 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice to have a single defensive player win a big game on pure raw talent? Future, I see Andrew Thomas the starting RT, with Matt Peart settling into the starting blind side.....I think you have that backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 10:30:03 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice to have a single defensive player win a big game on pure raw talent? Future, I see Andrew Thomas the starting RT, with Matt Peart settling into the starting blind side.....I think you have that backwards. Yeah, just a gut on some Peart film I'm watching and witness some dynamic ability and length on pass protection...I see (and hope) they begin Thomas as the RT with Fleming on the left...want to take it slow with Thomas no matter where he eventually plays.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 10:36:16 GMT -5
I think you have that backwards. Yeah, just a gut on some Peart film I'm watching and witness some dynamic ability and length on pass protection...I see (and hope) they begin Thomas as the RT with Fleming on the left...want to take it slow with Thomas no matter where he eventually plays. But Peart was a career RT in college while Thomas is a natural LT. I actually prefer to start Thomas at LT and let him take the bumps and bruises along the way. Peart is not expected to play at all this year.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2020 10:43:27 GMT -5
I think you have that backwards. Yeah, just a gut on some Peart film I'm watching and witness some dynamic ability and length on pass protection...I see (and hope) they begin Thomas as the RT with Fleming on the left...want to take it slow with Thomas no matter where he eventually plays. Pat Kirwin and T rock (when he hosted Moving the Chains) said it best Find the best 5 O linemen,figure out where they play the best,and you end up with a very good O line (FWIW I learned more about the game from those 2 and Moving the chains than anything,and love it when they have an O lineman as a host..ie,Ross Tucker,David Diehl,ect) And I know you kinda want Clowney.......what if one of his 4 meaningless sacks he would get costs us Rousseau? I know we run the same risk with Golden but at least its not a 12 million dollar meaningless sack.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 31, 2020 10:46:22 GMT -5
Yeah, just a gut on some Peart film I'm watching and witness some dynamic ability and length on pass protection...I see (and hope) they begin Thomas as the RT with Fleming on the left...want to take it slow with Thomas no matter where he eventually plays. Pat Kirwin and T rock (when he hosted Moving the Chains) said it best Find the best 5 O linemen,figure out where they play the best,and you end up with a very good O line (FWIW I learned more about the game from those 2 and Moving the chains than anything,and love it when they have an O lineman as a host..ie,Ross Tucker,David Diehl,ect) And I know you kinda want Clowney.......what if one of his 4 meaningless sacks he would get costs us Rousseau? I know we run the same risk with Golden but at least its not a 12 million dollar meaningless sack. I miss T-Rock, but Jim Miller does a good job on that show too ….
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 11:07:12 GMT -5
Pat Kirwin and T rock (when he hosted Moving the Chains) said it best Find the best 5 O linemen,figure out where they play the best,and you end up with a very good O line (FWIW I learned more about the game from those 2 and Moving the chains than anything,and love it when they have an O lineman as a host..ie,Ross Tucker,David Diehl,ect) And I know you kinda want Clowney.......what if one of his 4 meaningless sacks he would get costs us Rousseau? I know we run the same risk with Golden but at least its not a 12 million dollar meaningless sack. I miss T-Rock, but Jim Miller does a good job on that show too …. His desk was about 15 ft away from mine when I worked at Newsday. Tom was one of those guys who wore shorts year round. If it was 15 degrees in February, the guy showed up in shorts.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2020 11:11:13 GMT -5
I miss T-Rock, but Jim Miller does a good job on that show too …. His desk was about 15 ft away from mine when I worked at Newsday. Tom was one of those guys who wore shorts year round. If it was 15 degrees in February, the guy showed up in shorts. Wrong T Rock (We are talking about former D lineman Tim Ryan )
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 11:19:00 GMT -5
His desk was about 15 ft away from mine when I worked at Newsday. Tom was one of those guys who wore shorts year round. If it was 15 degrees in February, the guy showed up in shorts. Wrong T Rock (We are talking about former D lineman Tim Ryan ) Ah, didn't know there was another T-Rock.
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Post by TEM on Jul 31, 2020 11:35:45 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2020 11:43:54 GMT -5
Unless we need another camp body for 1 on 1 drills to play tackle Id be fine as is with the tackles we have now..more work for the guys who really need work Use this roster spot for a kicker
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Post by TEM on Jul 31, 2020 11:45:50 GMT -5
Unless we need another camp body for 1 on 1 drills to play tackle Id be fine as is with the tackles we have now..more work for the guys who really need work Use this roster spot for a kicker We have one OT with NFL experience Cam and that ain't saying much. i think we should bring as many to camp as possible and let the cream rise to the surface.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 11:53:04 GMT -5
Unless we need another camp body for 1 on 1 drills to play tackle Id be fine as is with the tackles we have now..more work for the guys who really need work Use this roster spot for a kicker We have one OT with NFL experience Cam and that ain't saying much. i think we should bring as many to camp as possible and let the cream rise to the surface. Gates has NFL experience as an OT.
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