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Post by TEM on Jul 31, 2020 11:58:50 GMT -5
We have one OT with NFL experience Cam and that ain't saying much. i think we should bring as many to camp as possible and let the cream rise to the surface. Gates has NFL experience as an OT. 3 Games as an OT are not "NFL Experience" He is a backup. He is behind Fleming and Peart on the depth chart.( A rookie and a backup) I do not think he is an Answer to our OT problem.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 12:18:47 GMT -5
Gates has NFL experience as an OT. 3 Games as an OT are not "NFL Experience" He is a backup. He is behind Fleming and Peart on the depth chart.( A rookie and a backup) I do not think he is an Answer to our OT problem. Experience is experience. Like we have an experienced C with Pulley. He's more of an answer than Peart right now.
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Post by TEM on Jul 31, 2020 12:23:33 GMT -5
3 Games as an OT are not "NFL Experience" He is a backup. He is behind Fleming and Peart on the depth chart.( A rookie and a backup) I do not think he is an Answer to our OT problem. Experience is experience. Like we have an experienced C with Pulley. He's more of an answer than Peart right now. I hope we have the answer on both sides. But rooks and backups are not a comfortable scenario to start camp. PS: Good thing we drafted Thomas instead of the tweener with pick 4
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 31, 2020 13:36:32 GMT -5
I miss T-Rock, but Jim Miller does a good job on that show too …. His desk was about 15 ft away from mine when I worked at Newsday. Tom was one of those guys who wore shorts year round. If it was 15 degrees in February, the guy showed up in shorts. Are you thinking of Tom Rock, the Newsday reporter? The guy from Sirius, Tim Ryan, played for the Bears I think.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2020 13:56:39 GMT -5
Experience is experience. Like we have an experienced C with Pulley. He's more of an answer than Peart right now. I hope we have the answer on both sides. But rooks and backups are not a comfortable scenario to start camp. PS: Good thing we drafted Thomas instead of the tweener with pick 4 Can I borrow that can opener you just used to open that can of worms?
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 14:01:56 GMT -5
His desk was about 15 ft away from mine when I worked at Newsday. Tom was one of those guys who wore shorts year round. If it was 15 degrees in February, the guy showed up in shorts. Are you thinking of Tom Rock, the Newsday reporter? The guy from Sirius, Tim Ryan, played for the Bears I think.
Yes, giantslegacy pointed that out. I didn't realize there were two T-Rocks.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 31, 2020 14:06:28 GMT -5
Are you thinking of Tom Rock, the Newsday reporter? The guy from Sirius, Tim Ryan, played for the Bears I think.
Yes, giantslegacy pointed that out. I didn't realize there were two T-Rocks. Tom Rock from Newsday seems like a good guy ….
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 15:11:05 GMT -5
Yes, giantslegacy pointed that out. I didn't realize there were two T-Rocks. Tom Rock from Newsday seems like a good guy …. A gentle giant. We stay in touch via email.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 31, 2020 17:51:40 GMT -5
Good for him. Family always comes first.. And we as fans can say that easily, but when you leave millions of dollars on the table it shows you that money isn’t everything. Be with your family Nate, they will be there for you way after your playing days are over..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:08:30 GMT -5
Yeah, just a gut on some Peart film I'm watching and witness some dynamic ability and length on pass protection...I see (and hope) they begin Thomas as the RT with Fleming on the left...want to take it slow with Thomas no matter where he eventually plays. But Peart was a career RT in college while Thomas is a natural LT. I actually prefer to start Thomas at LT and let him take the bumps and bruises along the way. Peart is not expected to play at all this year. Agree with Peart as developmental ... but I'm seeing some potential greatness in pass protection when he blossoms. You're in the majority...I just feel all rookie offensive tackles are in some way developmental and Thomas needs to be taken care of as well ....he's also a beast run blocker so expect to see a lot of Barkley running wherever Thomas is eventually starting his rookie year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:16:19 GMT -5
Yeah, just a gut on some Peart film I'm watching and witness some dynamic ability and length on pass protection...I see (and hope) they begin Thomas as the RT with Fleming on the left...want to take it slow with Thomas no matter where he eventually plays. Pat Kirwin and T rock (when he hosted Moving the Chains) said it best Find the best 5 O linemen,figure out where they play the best,and you end up with a very good O line (FWIW I learned more about the game from those 2 and Moving the chains than anything,and love it when they have an O lineman as a host..ie,Ross Tucker,David Diehl,ect) And I know you kinda want Clowney.......what if one of his 4 meaningless sacks he would get costs us Rousseau? I know we run the same risk with Golden but at least its not a 12 million dollar meaningless sack. I'm okay with another growing season...not sure the vast majority of Giant fans will accept it though...we run a 5 win season and the media will be calling for the head of DG. Not sure if that helps anything moving forward...and I'm not a DG fan. We need some good football and some wins this year ...Clowney alone makes 6 games interesting....Cowboys/Eagles and the... Redskins...yeah, I dared say it. With this pass rush, or lack of...and the secondary....gonna be ugly on defense.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 19:28:53 GMT -5
But Peart was a career RT in college while Thomas is a natural LT. I actually prefer to start Thomas at LT and let him take the bumps and bruises along the way. Peart is not expected to play at all this year. Agree with Peart as developmental ... but I'm seeing some potential greatness in pass protection when he blossoms. You're in the majority...I just feel all rookie offensive tackles are in some way developmental and Thomas needs to be taken care of as well ....he's also a beast run blocker so expect to see a lot of Barkley running wherever Thomas is eventually starting his rookie year. I thought run blocking was a weakness of Thomas’s? I think putting him at LT has the lowest learning curve, as opposed to having to learn the mirrored technique of moving to the other side with no offseason. It’s not like RT is any easier than LT.
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Post by lt56 on Jul 31, 2020 21:32:42 GMT -5
Yeah totally understand and I don't blame him!
I doubt we will see him in a Giants Uniform ever again though. I'm OK with throwing Thomas in at Left Tackle and letting him learn and improve on the job. You draft a guy at #4 he should be...BETTER BE good enough to play right away
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 21:57:47 GMT -5
Agree with Peart as developmental ... but I'm seeing some potential greatness in pass protection when he blossoms. You're in the majority...I just feel all rookie offensive tackles are in some way developmental and Thomas needs to be taken care of as well ....he's also a beast run blocker so expect to see a lot of Barkley running wherever Thomas is eventually starting his rookie year. I thought run blocking was a weakness of Thomas’s? I think putting him at LT has the lowest learning curve, as opposed to having to learn the mirrored technique of moving to the other side with no offseason. It’s not like RT is any easier than LT. Actually, run blocking is his strength with some posters claiming he was late on footwork on deeper drops (I did not see it...some punch issues at times)....he played right tackle as a freshmen, every game including the championship game vs the Tide....Tua show. I believe he was heading to the right side, with Solder doing one more year before we released him....similar to what Georgia did in his development. With no offseason, it just makes me more coddling of such a great prospect, probably to a fault...not sure I would personally throw him in the fire without a proper scheme to help some of the uber talent he will be facing next year. We shall see .... but I do like the potential of Peart. He might be that gem we have heard with DG and the OL....I can see him a left tackle in time.
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Post by cocktailkerry on Aug 1, 2020 10:05:02 GMT -5
Looks like I'm going to get my wish that Andrew Thomas starts immediately at LT. I would be surprised if anyone but Cam Fleming starts on the right side given the shortened camp with no preseason games since he is already familiar with the offense. Look for Gates, Pully, and possibly Halapio to battle it out and Center with Lemieux mostly redshirting cross training at Center and Guard. I'm actually looking at Solder's opt out as a good thing. Barring something unforeseen this team would be fortunate to win 7 games this year with or without Solder. Either Andrew Thomas and Matt Peart can play, or they can't. The sooner the Giants know this definitively, the better. Now they should get a look at Thomas right away at LT and Peart at some point this season at RT. Then it will be known what we have in them. Is the O-Line further along in the rebuild or not? That will shape how to attack free agency and the draft next year and will ultimately determine keeping Solder another year or releasing him for more cap space.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 1, 2020 10:31:55 GMT -5
I thought run blocking was a weakness of Thomas’s? I think putting him at LT has the lowest learning curve, as opposed to having to learn the mirrored technique of moving to the other side with no offseason. It’s not like RT is any easier than LT. Actually, run blocking is his strength with some posters claiming he was late on footwork on deeper drops (I did not see it...some punch issues at times)....he played right tackle as a freshmen, every game including the championship game vs the Tide....Tua show. I believe he was heading to the right side, with Solder doing one more year before we released him....similar to what Georgia did in his development. With no offseason, it just makes me more coddling of such a great prospect, probably to a fault...not sure I would personally throw him in the fire without a proper scheme to help some of the uber talent he will be facing next year. We shall see .... but I do like the potential of Peart. He might be that gem we have heard with DG and the OL....I can see him a left tackle in time. From his draft profile it seems like drive blocking could be better. But you're right, he has a good run blocking grade overall. Again, I don't think you make it any easier by asking him to learn a new position in 4 weeks. RT is just as difficult as LT. You're facing good pass rushers at either spot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 12:50:07 GMT -5
Actually, run blocking is his strength with some posters claiming he was late on footwork on deeper drops (I did not see it...some punch issues at times)....he played right tackle as a freshmen, every game including the championship game vs the Tide....Tua show. I believe he was heading to the right side, with Solder doing one more year before we released him....similar to what Georgia did in his development. With no offseason, it just makes me more coddling of such a great prospect, probably to a fault...not sure I would personally throw him in the fire without a proper scheme to help some of the uber talent he will be facing next year. We shall see .... but I do like the potential of Peart. He might be that gem we have heard with DG and the OL....I can see him a left tackle in time. From his draft profile it seems like drive blocking could be better. But you're right, he has a good run blocking grade overall. Again, I don't think you make it any easier by asking him to learn a new position in 4 weeks. RT is just as difficult as LT. Your facing good pass rushers at either spot. I'm thinking he might of been heading to a new old position when drafted, right...Covid and Solder opting might get him left, but not 100% certain that was the original plan. I'm also a huge believer in tackles needing time to develop...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 13:21:36 GMT -5
Soldier Opting out of this weird season may actually be a huge benefit for the younger players. Look even though he has been awful the last 2 years he was going to be starting. Let’s see if one of these younger hungrier players can step up. This is a very young and inexperienced line that hopefully will grow and begin to gel. Let’s Go
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