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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 31, 2020 7:41:00 GMT -5
Giants’ Chances to Acquire Jags Holdout, Yannick Ngakoue, Have Skyrocketed he New York Giants have seen their roster take its fair share of blows in recent days. From DeAndre Baker being placed on the NFL’s Commissioner Exempt List, to cutting ex-Pro Bowler Aldrick Rosas, and as recent as yesterday, losing their starting left tackle, Nate Solder, due to an opt-out decision for the 2020 season. While all three of these losses have caused a negative impact on New York’s roster as a whole, the latter two have added a sudden influx of cash to Big Blue’s finances. The Giants’ available salary-cap space has now jumped to upwards of $13M in recent days. In return, giving GM Dave Gettleman the flexibility to make one final splash before the season kicks off. And it just so happens that Jacksonville Jaguars disgruntled star Yannick Ngakoue is there for the taking. Even with the added money, that may still prove to be a difficult task for Big Blue, especially with the salary cap potentially taking a hit next season due to projected lost revenue per the COVID-19 pandemic. However, the team does have the realistic option of moving on from the aforementioned Solder, and veteran receiver Golden Tate following the season. This, along with the fact that Big Blue opted not to dole out a long-term deal for “franchise player” Leonard Williams this offseason, could exponentially increase New York’s available cap space moving forward. Furthermore, if Williams were to decide on taking his talents elsewhere next season, not only would the Giants free up a massive chunk of salary, they’d also receive a 3rd-round compensatory pick in return. Having this in the back of their mind could allow New York to be more aggressive in dangling their current trade capital in hopes of the Jaguars biting on an Ngakoue deal. heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/2020/07/trade-yannick-ngakoue-jaguars-holdout/
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 31, 2020 7:54:19 GMT -5
Giants’ Chances to Acquire Jags Holdout, Yannick Ngakoue, Have Skyrocketed he New York Giants have seen their roster take its fair share of blows in recent days. From DeAndre Baker being placed on the NFL’s Commissioner Exempt List, to cutting ex-Pro Bowler Aldrick Rosas, and as recent as yesterday, losing their starting left tackle, Nate Solder, due to an opt-out decision for the 2020 season. While all three of these losses have caused a negative impact on New York’s roster as a whole, the latter two have added a sudden influx of cash to Big Blue’s finances. The Giants’ available salary-cap space has now jumped to upwards of $13M in recent days. In return, giving GM Dave Gettleman the flexibility to make one final splash before the season kicks off. And it just so happens that Jacksonville Jaguars disgruntled star Yannick Ngakoue is there for the taking. Even with the added money, that may still prove to be a difficult task for Big Blue, especially with the salary cap potentially taking a hit next season due to projected lost revenue per the COVID-19 pandemic.However, the team does have the realistic option of moving on from the aforementioned Solder, and veteran receiver Golden Tate following the season. This, along with the fact that Big Blue opted not to dole out a long-term deal for “franchise player” Leonard Williams this offseason, could exponentially increase New York’s available cap space moving forward. Furthermore, if Williams were to decide on taking his talents elsewhere next season, not only would the Giants free up a massive chunk of salary, they’d also receive a 3rd-round compensatory pick in return. Having this in the back of their mind could allow New York to be more aggressive in dangling their current trade capital in hopes of the Jaguars biting on an Ngakoue deal. heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/2020/07/trade-yannick-ngakoue-jaguars-holdout/That's gonna be the trick, right? But it's the same trick for every team, and it's not like his options get better in any scenario.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 31, 2020 7:57:29 GMT -5
Would be nice, but his disgruntled drama doesn't seem to jive with where the Giants are headed these days.
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Post by lasion2 on Jul 31, 2020 8:03:43 GMT -5
I understand the media chatter about this, but unless I’m missing something, it really doesn’t make a ton of sense. As far as I can tell we still have to pay Solder next year, and he essentially got a year extension on his contract. To me, that doesn’t make this “cap space”. More like a mirage.
With that in mind, I would think the only way they would use that money is for a signing bonus. But, even that comes with some risk as no one knows what the cap number will be next year.
I’m pretty content to run with what we got and see how it shakes out. Fundamentally, it also seems like a dicey move to bring in someone who demands a trade. Has that worked out well for any team recently? I honestly don’t know.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2020 8:10:21 GMT -5
I understand the media chatter about this, but unless I’m missing something, it really doesn’t make a ton of sense. As far as I can tell we still have to pay Solder next year, and he essentially got a year extension on his contract. To me, that doesn’t make this “cap space”. More like a mirage. With that in mind, I would think the only way they would use that money is for a signing bonus. But, even that comes with some risk as no one knows what the cap number will be next year. I’m pretty content to run with what we got and see how it shakes out. Fundamentally, it also seems like a dicey move to bring in someone who demands a trade. Has that worked out well for any team recently? I honestly don’t know. I don't get this lust for a guy that's going to cost us a probable high first roind pick that could possibly get us someone better on a rookie deal (Rousseau)and needlessly jack up cap space while we are rebuilding
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 31, 2020 8:12:52 GMT -5
I understand the media chatter about this, but unless I’m missing something, it really doesn’t make a ton of sense. As far as I can tell we still have to pay Solder next year, and he essentially got a year extension on his contract. To me, that doesn’t make this “cap space”. More like a mirage. With that in mind, I would think the only way they would use that money is for a signing bonus. But, even that comes with some risk as no one knows what the cap number will be next year. I’m pretty content to run with what we got and see how it shakes out. Fundamentally, it also seems like a dicey move to bring in someone who demands a trade. Has that worked out well for any team recently? I honestly don’t know. I don't get this lust for a guy that's going to cost us a probable high first roind pick that could possibly get us someone better on a rookie deal (Rousseau)and needlessly jack up cap space while we are rebuilding Due to his contract demands, I dont think he would cost as much as you think draft pick wise. Jags have really lost all their leverage.
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Post by TEM on Jul 31, 2020 8:33:40 GMT -5
We can't afford him . The cap is going in the opposite direction.
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Post by bluejayc on Jul 31, 2020 8:44:02 GMT -5
Hard pass.....it's amazing these writers get paid for this stuff.....better rationale analyses by amateurs on this board not getting compensated to churn out clck bait.
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Post by McCherry on Jul 31, 2020 10:06:24 GMT -5
I understand the media chatter about this, but unless I’m missing something, it really doesn’t make a ton of sense. As far as I can tell we still have to pay Solder next year, and he essentially got a year extension on his contract. To me, that doesn’t make this “cap space”. More like a mirage. With that in mind, I would think the only way they would use that money is for a signing bonus. But, even that comes with some risk as no one knows what the cap number will be next year. I’m pretty content to run with what we got and see how it shakes out. Fundamentally, it also seems like a dicey move to bring in someone who demands a trade. Has that worked out well for any team recently? I honestly don’t know. I don't think Solder is playing football again, he won't be here. My guess is he retires after a year off. I like the idea of Ngakoue, but I don't like giving up draft picks.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 31, 2020 14:25:56 GMT -5
I understand the media chatter about this, but unless I’m missing something, it really doesn’t make a ton of sense. As far as I can tell we still have to pay Solder next year, and he essentially got a year extension on his contract. To me, that doesn’t make this “cap space”. More like a mirage. With that in mind, I would think the only way they would use that money is for a signing bonus. But, even that comes with some risk as no one knows what the cap number will be next year. I’m pretty content to run with what we got and see how it shakes out. Fundamentally, it also seems like a dicey move to bring in someone who demands a trade. Has that worked out well for any team recently? I honestly don’t know. I don't think Solder is playing football again, he won't be here. My guess is he retires after a year off. I like the idea of Ngakoue, but I don't like giving up draft picks. Agreed, if the Giants are going to have to pay Ngakoue, let them pay for him in FA without giving up a high draft pick....
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 31, 2020 14:50:17 GMT -5
I don't think Solder is playing football again, he won't be here. My guess is he retires after a year off. I like the idea of Ngakoue, but I don't like giving up draft picks. Agreed, if the Giants are going to have to pay Ngakoue, let them pay for him in FA without giving up a high draft pick.... Better idea
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 31, 2020 15:53:31 GMT -5
Unless we could get him to sign for a lot less then he is looking for, he priced himself out of my market, and to have to give up picks as well, This armchair GM is passing.
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Post by keyofgmen on Jul 31, 2020 15:55:58 GMT -5
This team is still young enough to build through Draft. It's not like "The window is closing" "Win now" for some aging Franchise QB. Don't spend high draft pick for him.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 31, 2020 16:08:18 GMT -5
he would need to be quarantined coming from Florida.
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Post by infinite420 on Jul 31, 2020 16:52:19 GMT -5
Agreed, if the Giants are going to have to pay Ngakoue, let them pay for him in FA without giving up a high draft pick.... Better idea Or trade Leonard Williams for him, straight up
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Post by piddy283 on Jul 31, 2020 17:26:17 GMT -5
At this point, I'm fine with signing nearly anyone as long as we do not shoot ourselves in the foot financially long term.
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Post by lasion2 on Jul 31, 2020 17:27:34 GMT -5
Or trade Leonard Williams for him, straight up I’m gonna marinate on that one for a bit. Just for the mental gymnastics.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 31, 2020 17:45:40 GMT -5
Since when did good players become the plague to this franchise? I’m not for jeopardizing our future, meaning draft picks. But, Ngakoue is a very good player. Who would be a major upgrade to our anemic pass rush. Unless, we’re all convinced Golden will have another 10 sack season and Carter will get his head out of his own ass.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 31, 2020 18:22:06 GMT -5
I understand the media chatter about this, but unless I’m missing something, it really doesn’t make a ton of sense. As far as I can tell we still have to pay Solder next year, and he essentially got a year extension on his contract. To me, that doesn’t make this “cap space”. More like a mirage. With that in mind, I would think the only way they would use that money is for a signing bonus. But, even that comes with some risk as no one knows what the cap number will be next year. I’m pretty content to run with what we got and see how it shakes out. Fundamentally, it also seems like a dicey move to bring in someone who demands a trade. Has that worked out well for any team recently? I honestly don’t know. I don't think Solder is playing football again, he won't be here. My guess is he retires after a year off. I like the idea of Ngakoue, but I don't like giving up draft picks. I agree, I would only offer mid rd draft picks. Say a 4th and 6th. Maybe 2 4th rounders, maybe not even. The Ravens got Markus Peters for a 5th I believe and Colius Campbell for a 4th. I'm definitely not giving up a 1st or 2nd in next years draft. Were probably picking within the first 5 picks next year.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 31, 2020 18:27:07 GMT -5
Is Nagkoue better than Clowney ? We might be able to sign Clowney without giving up draft picks.
Don't know if either of these guys wants to come to a perennial loser. Were probably going to be one of the worse teams this season. I'm not giving up any high draft picks.
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Post by southerner on Aug 2, 2020 8:01:54 GMT -5
Very good player, but also a total me-first headcase. The Giants won’t touch him. He sounds like the type that may sign the huge contract with a large guaranteed amount, then just mail it in on the field.
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Post by JoeyCush on Aug 2, 2020 9:46:28 GMT -5
Im just not a fan of trading draft capital for a player up for a big contract. Especially when you are talking early round picks. Draft picks playing on rookie deals helps balance out the salary cap.
LW was traded for a 3rd round pick and has a $16M cap hit. While Matt Peart, a 3rd round selection, carries a cap hit of $800,000.
I prefer trading for a player like Peppers, they have control of his rights for 3 seasons before having to make a decision to extend or not.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 2, 2020 10:00:28 GMT -5
Very good player, but also a total me-first headcase. The Giants won’t touch him. He sounds like the type that may sign the huge contract with a large guaranteed amount, then just mail it in on the field. sign a huge contract then opt out for the year...
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Post by McCherry on Aug 2, 2020 11:37:12 GMT -5
If anything, spend the money on a CB.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2020 14:40:20 GMT -5
Since when did good players become the plague to this franchise? I’m not for jeopardizing our future, meaning draft picks. But, Ngakoue is a very good player. Who would be a major upgrade to our anemic pass rush. Unless, we’re all convinced Golden will have another 10 sack season and Carter will get his head out of his own ass. I would love seeing a front 7 of: Golden - Martinez - Connolly - Ngakoue Tomlinson - Lawrence - Williims Rotating Fackrell, Brown, Crowder, Ximines, Coughlin, Carter, Hill, McIntosh, Slayton
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2020 14:41:06 GMT -5
If anything, spend the money on a CB. Didnt they already do that?
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Post by McCherry on Aug 2, 2020 15:17:47 GMT -5
If anything, spend the money on a CB. Didnt they already do that? You mean that guy I never heard of and still can't think of his name? I meant a starter like Logan.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2020 15:27:32 GMT -5
Didnt they already do that? You mean that guy I never heard of and still can't think of his name? I meant a starter like Logan. So because you never heard of him and cant remember his name means he isnt a starter? Its James Bradberry by the way. And he is our starter.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 2, 2020 15:29:01 GMT -5
You mean that guy I never heard of and still can't think of his name? I meant a starter like Logan. So because you never heard of him and cant remember his name means he isnt a starter? Its James Bradberry by the way. And he is our starter. That’s one starter. I was taking about the guy we signed last week. Who replaces Baker?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 2, 2020 15:33:56 GMT -5
So because you never heard of him and cant remember his name means he isnt a starter? Its James Bradberry by the way. And he is our starter. That’s one starter. I was taking about the guy we signed last week. Who replaces Baker? Oh, I dont know they even signed someone last week. Thats the coaches challenge. It might be Holmes. It might be Beal or someone else. I dont know. Id like a pass rusher though.
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