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Post by JoeyCush on Aug 23, 2020 10:22:34 GMT -5
Sigh
Update, Ravens Release Earl Thomas
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 10:44:25 GMT -5
Sounds like an excuse to remove themselves from his inflated contract. How may times did Steve Smith get into camp fights . Getty kept him around.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 23, 2020 10:47:13 GMT -5
Sounds like an excuse to remove themselves from his inflated contract. How may times did Steve Smith get into camp fights . Getty kept him around. I don’t buy that at all. There are stories that leaders of the team want nothing to do with him. Whatever is going on, Baltimore wants him gone ASAP and Thomas might get his wish playing for the Cowboys. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 11:53:08 GMT -5
Sounds like an excuse to remove themselves from his inflated contract. How may times did Steve Smith get into camp fights . Getty kept him around. I don’t buy that at all. There are stories that leaders of the team want nothing to do with him. Whatever is going on, Baltimore wants him gone ASAP and Thomas might get his wish playing for the Cowboys. You can call it what you want . IMO: They were waiting for an opportunity to negate his contract in this case the cap hit with an incident. What top of the heap players were ever cut because of a fight? Who was cut in these fights? Notables Jarvis Landry Jermichael Finley Laquon Treadwell Cam Newton |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 23, 2020 12:06:10 GMT -5
I don’t buy that at all. There are stories that leaders of the team want nothing to do with him. Whatever is going on, Baltimore wants him gone ASAP and Thomas might get his wish playing for the Cowboys. You can call it what you want . IMO: They were waiting for an opportunity to negate his contract in this case the cap hit with an incident. What top of the heap players were ever cut because of a fight? Who was cut in these fights? Notables Jarvis Landry Jermichael Finley Laquon Treadwell Cam Newton If that’s the case what a shitty way to do business by the Ravens. Want to negate the contract? Release him.. Don’t pull we had to rid him because of a fight on the practice field and get around the cap hit. If that was true half the league would be gone. There is more to the story, like I mentioned top players for the Ravens have said they don’t want him part of the team. Strong words for a player of Thomas stature. Either way both sides will get their wish. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 12:19:46 GMT -5
You can call it what you want . IMO: They were waiting for an opportunity to negate his contract in this case the cap hit with an incident. What top of the heap players were ever cut because of a fight? Who was cut in these fights? Notables Jarvis Landry Jermichael Finley Laquon Treadwell Cam Newton If that’s the case that’s a shitty way to do business by the Ravens. Want to negate the contract? Release him.. Don’t pull we had to rid him because of a fight on the practice field and get around the cap hit. If that was true half the league would be gone. There is more to the story, like I mentioned top players for the Ravens have said they don’t want him part of the team. Strong words for a player of Thomas stature. Either way both sides will get their wish. I am trying to look at it from the players point of view. No one gets cut for the reason the Ravens are giving. To me this has " we do not wat to pay the cap hit so we found an excuse to void his contract written all over it. Fine, suspension by the team . No problem, he deserves it. What they are doing doesn't pass the sniff test. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 23, 2020 12:26:21 GMT -5
The guy has worn out his welcome at 2 of the most stable, professional franchises. Buyer beware
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 23, 2020 12:36:55 GMT -5
The guy has worn out his welcome at 2 of the most stable, professional franchises. Buyer beware Good point. I was thinking that, Seattle and Baltimore are two of the best run organizations in football. If you can’t find a home in either of those places you’re a problem. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 13:00:21 GMT -5
The guy has worn out his welcome at 2 of the most stable, professional franchises. Buyer beware If that is the case why was he allowed to remain in Seattle for 9 years ? 2 Full contracts. That doesn't exactly sound like a worn out welcome. I would think it had more to do he went on IR after game 4 of the 2018 season due to a fracture. ( the last year of a 4 year contract .) |
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 23, 2020 13:40:02 GMT -5
Baltimore has said the players have lead the charge to remove Thomas from the team...if it werent so, I would explect the players to dispute that claim. Nothing yet.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 13:52:38 GMT -5
Baltimore has said the players have lead the charge to remove Thomas from the team...if it werent so, I would explect the players to dispute that claim. Nothing yet. Is that a valid reason to claim " for conduct detrimental to the team" Because the reason the Ravens gave has not been established as an NFL precedent either. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 13:57:43 GMT -5
This exactly what I said the Ravens were doing. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29723620/sources-ravens-cut-trade-earl-thomas-disputeThe Ravens announced they had terminated his contract for personal conduct that has adversely affected the team. The Ravens are expected to try to void his $10 million guaranteed salary this season. It is expected the safety will file a grievance. This sends a bad message to the rest of the Players in the league . Now any little thing they do. As small a fight in camp can void their contract if the FO wants out of it. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 23, 2020 16:53:05 GMT -5
The guy has worn out his welcome at 2 of the most stable, professional franchises. Buyer beware Including flipping off his own fans as he was being carted off the field in 2018 |
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Post by JoeyCush on Aug 23, 2020 17:07:00 GMT -5
This exactly what I said the Ravens were doing. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29723620/sources-ravens-cut-trade-earl-thomas-disputeThe Ravens announced they had terminated his contract for personal conduct that has adversely affected the team. The Ravens are expected to try to void his $10 million guaranteed salary this season. It is expected the safety will file a grievance. This sends a bad message to the rest of the Players in the league . Now any little thing they do. As small a fight in camp can void their contract if the FO wants out of it. Guess it wasnt a small fight if this Leadership Council pretty much all wanted him out. I would assume more happened behind closed doors we know nothing about. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 17:19:20 GMT -5
This exactly what I said the Ravens were doing. www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29723620/sources-ravens-cut-trade-earl-thomas-disputeThe Ravens announced they had terminated his contract for personal conduct that has adversely affected the team. The Ravens are expected to try to void his $10 million guaranteed salary this season. It is expected the safety will file a grievance. This sends a bad message to the rest of the Players in the league . Now any little thing they do. As small a fight in camp can void their contract if the FO wants out of it. Guess it wasnt a small fight if this Leadership Council pretty much all wanted him out. I would assume more happened behind closed doors we know nothing about. I have no problem with him being cut . That is up to the FO. I have a problem with the Ravens trying to void his contract. Ray Lewis killed a guy and that was not detrimental to the team but a camp fight is ? If the Ravens pull off voiding his contract . Anything any FO deems conduct detrimental will be used to cancel a bad contract. Any slip of the tongue would enable a contract void. It is a slippery slope the Ravens are greasing. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 23, 2020 18:29:41 GMT -5
Guess it wasnt a small fight if this Leadership Council pretty much all wanted him out. I would assume more happened behind closed doors we know nothing about. I have no problem with him being cut . That is up to the FO. I have a problem with the Ravens trying to void his contract. Ray Lewis killed a guy and that was not detrimental to the team but a camp fight is ? If the Ravens pull off voiding his contract . Anything any FO deems conduct detrimental will be used to cancel a bad contract. Any slip of the tongue would enable a contract void. It is a slippery slope the Ravens are greasing. Guaranteed that it was about more than just one fight. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2020 18:51:31 GMT -5
I have no problem with him being cut . That is up to the FO. I have a problem with the Ravens trying to void his contract. Ray Lewis killed a guy and that was not detrimental to the team but a camp fight is ? If the Ravens pull off voiding his contract . Anything any FO deems conduct detrimental will be used to cancel a bad contract. Any slip of the tongue would enable a contract void. It is a slippery slope the Ravens are greasing. Guaranteed that it was about more than just one fight. That is not what they are claiming. I am going by what the team has reported. Even if it was . What gives the team right to void his contract. He did not get arrested or beat his girlfriend. The way I see if he is bad teammate. He most likely is. The FO knew that before they singed him. It did not effect his on the field performance. Being a poor teammate and or having a bad attitude is or never has been grounds to void a contract. What the Ravens are doing is attempting to create a new paradigm on how to get out of a contract they are not content with. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 23, 2020 18:53:18 GMT -5
I have no problem with him being cut . That is up to the FO. I have a problem with the Ravens trying to void his contract. Ray Lewis killed a guy and that was not detrimental to the team but a camp fight is ? If the Ravens pull off voiding his contract . Anything any FO deems conduct detrimental will be used to cancel a bad contract. Any slip of the tongue would enable a contract void. It is a slippery slope the Ravens are greasing. Guaranteed that it was about more than just one fight. from watching NFL channel this afternoon sounds like it was multiple fights, he was late for meetings, and blew off a week of zoom meetings to go on vacation. Might have been more too, I wasn't riveted to the tv like if they were discussing the Giants. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 23, 2020 20:36:40 GMT -5
Guaranteed that it was about more than just one fight. That is not what they are claiming. I am going by what the team has reported. Even if it was . What gives the team right to void his contract. He did not get arrested or beat his girlfriend. The way I see if he is bad teammate. He most likely is. The FO knew that before they singed him. It did not effect his on the field performance. Being a poor teammate and or having a bad attitude is or never has been grounds to void a contract. What the Ravens are doing is attempting to create a new paradigm on how to get out of a contract they are not content with. What is the team “claiming”? I saw a one sentence Tweet that did not specifically mention the fight. |
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 23, 2020 20:44:31 GMT -5
Guaranteed that it was about more than just one fight. from watching NFL channel this afternoon sounds like it was multiple fights, he was late for meetings, and blew off a week of zoom meetings to go on vacation. Might have been more too, I wasn't riveted to the tv like if they were discussing the Giants. It's all going to be disputed by the union, so we'll find out both sides eventually. But it does seem silly for a talented vet to get this result from one fight. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Aug 23, 2020 20:44:59 GMT -5
Not for nothing while camp fights happen all the time, they are always offensive Vs defensive guys in the heat of the moment.
I dont recall ever hearing of a guy punching another player of the same positional group, let alone side of the ball.
The way it sounds, this fight was the straw that indeed did it.
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2020 3:17:37 GMT -5
That is not what they are claiming. I am going by what the team has reported. Even if it was . What gives the team right to void his contract. He did not get arrested or beat his girlfriend. The way I see if he is bad teammate. He most likely is. The FO knew that before they singed him. It did not effect his on the field performance. Being a poor teammate and or having a bad attitude is or never has been grounds to void a contract. What the Ravens are doing is attempting to create a new paradigm on how to get out of a contract they are not content with. What is the team “claiming”? I saw a one sentence Tweet that did not specifically mention the fight. OK you tell me what else is the FO clamming? A fight is all they are reporting. Anything else is purely opinion and not facts. This is what I read "they are moving on following a practice altercation with a teammate." "They either will release him for conduct detrimental to the team - punching S Chuck Clark - or trade" |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 24, 2020 5:21:16 GMT -5
What is the team “claiming”? I saw a one sentence Tweet that did not specifically mention the fight. OK you tell me what else is the FO clamming? A fight is all they are reporting. Anything else is purely opinion and not facts. This is what I read "they are moving on following a practice altercation with a teammate." "They either will release him for conduct detrimental to the team - punching S Chuck Clark - or trade" You know that the media claiming something is not the team claiming something, right? Here are the only statements I’ve seen from the team: |
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2020 6:19:09 GMT -5
OK you tell me what else is the FO clamming? A fight is all they are reporting. Anything else is purely opinion and not facts. This is what I read "they are moving on following a practice altercation with a teammate." "They either will release him for conduct detrimental to the team - punching S Chuck Clark - or trade" You know that the media claiming something is not the team claiming something, right? Here are the only statements I’ve seen from the team: I will say it again . Was he arrested or did he beat his girlfriend? Did he get suspended for hard Drugs or PEDs? Did he violate any of the leagues rules on conduct described in the CBA. Because I do not see the valid reason to void his contract. Do you? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 24, 2020 7:06:11 GMT -5
from watching NFL channel this afternoon sounds like it was multiple fights, he was late for meetings, and blew off a week of zoom meetings to go on vacation. Might have been more too, I wasn't riveted to the tv like if they were discussing the Giants. It's all going to be disputed by the union, so we'll find out both sides eventually. But it does seem silly for a talented vet to get this result from one fight. this is the only certainty surrounding the situation... |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 24, 2020 9:27:43 GMT -5
You know that the media claiming something is not the team claiming something, right? Here are the only statements I’ve seen from the team: I will say it again . Was he arrested or did he beat his girlfriend? Did he get suspended for hard Drugs or PEDs? Did he violate any of the leagues rules on conduct described in the CBA. Because I do not see the valid reason to void his contract. Do you? I don't know one way or the other what all of the facts are that led to his release. It is my strong opinion that he was released for more than just one practice fight. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2020 12:48:03 GMT -5
I will say it again . Was he arrested or did he beat his girlfriend? Did he get suspended for hard Drugs or PEDs? Did he violate any of the leagues rules on conduct described in the CBA. Because I do not see the valid reason to void his contract. Do you? I don't know one way or the other what all of the facts are that led to his release. It is my strong opinion that he was released for more than just one practice fight. I think it is ridicules to release him. The could have fined him suspended him at first. The didn't. Hence where I have a problem with the contract voiding. The FO inked a bad contract. He has a history that is easily found. Now the Ravens are using a bad teammate/ attitude argument to nullify the cap hit they have to eat. If they have success in that endeavor. The rest of the teams have an out for bad contracts. All they need to do is allow the player to do something stupid (they all do at some point in their careers), and they have a cap hit out. The guaranteed money in the contract, will be a fictitious clause. |
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 24, 2020 13:09:50 GMT -5
I don't know one way or the other what all of the facts are that led to his release. It is my strong opinion that he was released for more than just one practice fight. I think it is ridicules to release him. The could have fined him suspended him at first. The didn't. Hence where I have a problem with the contract voiding. The FO inked a bad contract. He has a history that is easily found. Now the Ravens are using a bad teammate/ attitude argument to nullify the cap hit they have to eat. If they have success in that endeavor. The rest of the teams have an out for bad contracts. All they need to do is allow the player to do something stupid (they all do at some point in their careers), and they have a cap hit out. The guaranteed money in the contract, will be a fictitious clause. Doubt that will happen. The union will prevent it. Just as they might intervene in this case. |
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 24, 2020 14:16:45 GMT -5
I think it is ridicules to release him. The could have fined him suspended him at first. The didn't. Hence where I have a problem with the contract voiding. The FO inked a bad contract. He has a history that is easily found. Now the Ravens are using a bad teammate/ attitude argument to nullify the cap hit they have to eat. If they have success in that endeavor. The rest of the teams have an out for bad contracts. All they need to do is allow the player to do something stupid (they all do at some point in their careers), and they have a cap hit out. The guaranteed money in the contract, will be a fictitious clause. Doubt that will happen. The union will prevent it. Just as they might intervene in this case. My guess is that he signs somewhere else, which offsets the loss of the Ravens money, and then he and the Ravens arrive at some compromise on the difference. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2020 15:28:33 GMT -5
I think it is ridicules to release him. The could have fined him suspended him at first. The didn't. Hence where I have a problem with the contract voiding. The FO inked a bad contract. He has a history that is easily found. Now the Ravens are using a bad teammate/ attitude argument to nullify the cap hit they have to eat. If they have success in that endeavor. The rest of the teams have an out for bad contracts. All they need to do is allow the player to do something stupid (they all do at some point in their careers), and they have a cap hit out. The guaranteed money in the contract, will be a fictitious clause. Doubt that will happen. The union will prevent it. Just as they might intervene in this case. I agree I think the union has a strong case against the Ravens. |
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