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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 21:12:14 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years?
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Post by mj312 on Sept 14, 2020 21:21:52 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? I agree with your assessment.. granted it's game 1 but our line got absolutely destroyed once again.. zero run game .. I saw some fight in the defense which is good but it's Gnna be a long road .. we are already starting to rebuild the rebuild
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 14, 2020 21:24:00 GMT -5
We’re like that road you see when you drive to work. You know, the one that they’re constantly working on. That’s us, one day in our lifetime we’ll finally be done.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 21:24:16 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? I agree with your assessment.. granted it's game 1 but our line got absolutely destroyed once again.. zero run game .. I saw some fight in the defense which is good but it's Gnna be a long road .. we are already starting to rebuild the rebuild I mean we had the 2nd pick, 6th pick and this year the 4th. That equates to really early 2nd round picks too. Still I don’t think we are any better off then we were 3 years ago
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 14, 2020 21:34:09 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? A complete rebuild like this? 4-5
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Post by allnygin on Sept 15, 2020 0:40:03 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? I think next season will be a good indication. 4-5 years to be fair. Next year is year four and we should at the very least be compeititve for at least a wild card spot. If not, there may be a very good chance the rebuild wan't completely successful and for sure if they aren't competing for the playoffs by year 5.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 15, 2020 0:49:26 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? A complete rebuild like this? 4-5 Getting the QB right shortens the rebuild a bit. The closest to what we are doing is the Cowboys from 1989 to 1992 Mind you theie 1992 Super Bowl team already had pieces from pre Jimmy Johnson Michael Irvin,Kelvin Martin,Nate Newton,Kevin Gogan,I think some pieces on defense They also got all those picks for Walker
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Post by southerner on Sept 15, 2020 3:53:37 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? You are being too nice.....the offense looked pathetic.
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Post by hadenough on Sept 15, 2020 5:09:12 GMT -5
I think Gettleman has done a good job with the cap.
But the same problems continue to exist.
Oline has issues. Zero quickness on dline. No go to WR. And very average LB play.
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Post by Miked1958 on Sept 15, 2020 5:35:34 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? Sadly your right. Weve seen different players, different coaches. Etc but same story. They are no good. Sadly you see almost every year team with drastic turnarounds or worst to first stories. Giants just dont seem to be one of them constantly picking busts or guys that constantly get hurt
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 15, 2020 5:37:45 GMT -5
Cowboys went 11-5 & made the playoffs in their 3rd yr under Johnson. 1-15 2 yrs prior, 7-9 the next yr. If we can go 7-9 this yr, that would be a vast improvement & bode well for next yr. If we fail to win 5-6 games this yr, gonna be a long rebuild.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 12:23:11 GMT -5
I agree with your assessment.. granted it's game 1 but our line got absolutely destroyed once again.. zero run game .. I saw some fight in the defense which is good but it's Gnna be a long road .. we are already starting to rebuild the rebuild I mean we had the 2nd pick, 6th pick and this year the 4th. That equates to really early 2nd round picks too. Still I don’t think we are any better off then we were 3 years ago JJ do you remember the end of MacAdoo era a vet team getting obliterated at home on the road, in fighting, Salary cap hell, and the whole OL and LB core basically free agents. Its hard to believe but we are in a 100 time better place then we were at that time. This team is young with their left tackle set he looked solid even with 0 preseason or mini camps the right tackles is drafted and being groomed DJ looks like he is gonna be fine. And the defense is starting to turn the corner. Last before covid the teams cap was very healthy for the foreseeable future. A lot has been done in the last three years from the front office to coaching staff. This year they need to grow as the year goes on Nick Gates shouldn't be given up on he is new to center he needs to learn there is only one way playing.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 12:25:03 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? A complete rebuild like this? 4-5 Yea this was more in depth then we all thought salary cap roster infrastructure of the scouting department coaching staff hopefully Judge is what we all think he is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 18:55:45 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? A complete rebuild like this? 4-5 The problem with that is that’s you have rookie contracts that are done. You have signed FA’s that are done and the cycle continues in a never ending loop
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:02:16 GMT -5
I mean we had the 2nd pick, 6th pick and this year the 4th. That equates to really early 2nd round picks too. Still I don’t think we are any better off then we were 3 years ago JJ do you remember the end of MacAdoo era a vet team getting obliterated at home on the road, in fighting, Salary cap hell, and the whole OL and LB core basically free agents. Its hard to believe but we are in a 100 time better place then we were at that time. This team is young with their left tackle set he looked solid even with 0 preseason or mini camps the right tackles is drafted and being groomed DJ looks like he is gonna be fine. And the defense is starting to turn the corner. Last before covid the teams cap was very healthy for the foreseeable future. A lot has been done in the last three years from the front office to coaching staff. This year they need to grow as the year goes on Nick Gates shouldn't be given up on he is new to center he needs to learn there is only one way playing. I agree. It was bad back then too. The thing is we have to see how this season plays out but if we finish under 5 wins it will be very telling. It’s way to early to really and tell and I guess this conversation will have to wait until week 10
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 15, 2020 19:03:26 GMT -5
A complete rebuild like this? 4-5 The problem with that is that’s you have rookie contracts that are done. You have signed FA’s that are done and the cycle continues in a never ending loop All true but it takes what it takes right? They had SO many holes to fill and with a couple of 1st round whiffs this is where they are. Still need a Center, pass rushers, CB, what else? Plus they need time for the pieces to come together and jell! Additionally, you have an entire new coaching staff and systems to implement.
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Post by jaxnygmen on Sept 15, 2020 19:04:38 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? Rebuilding does take time but the OL has been an issue for years and not just the last three. I do think Andrews will be solid, he is already an improvement over solder. Hernandez is good. Other franchises have turned it around quicker for sure. I am not convinced by this FO nor the GM to fix it. There are some bright spots but we still have a serious lack of talent compared to much of the other teams in the league.
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 15, 2020 19:04:39 GMT -5
The problem with that is that’s you have rookie contracts that are done. You have signed FA’s that are done and the cycle continues in a never ending loop All true but it takes what it takes right? They had SO many holes to fill and with a couple of 1st round whiffs this is where they are. Still need a Center, pass rushers, CB, what else? Plus they need time for the pieces to come together and jell! Additionally, you have an entire new coaching staff and systems to implement. The way I judge this season is unit progress and young players taking a step forward versus wins.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 19:09:00 GMT -5
JJ do you remember the end of MacAdoo era a vet team getting obliterated at home on the road, in fighting, Salary cap hell, and the whole OL and LB core basically free agents. Its hard to believe but we are in a 100 time better place then we were at that time. This team is young with their left tackle set he looked solid even with 0 preseason or mini camps the right tackles is drafted and being groomed DJ looks like he is gonna be fine. And the defense is starting to turn the corner. Last before covid the teams cap was very healthy for the foreseeable future. A lot has been done in the last three years from the front office to coaching staff. This year they need to grow as the year goes on Nick Gates shouldn't be given up on he is new to center he needs to learn there is only one way playing. I agree. It was bad back then too. The thing is we have to see how this season plays out but if we finish under 5 wins it will be very telling. It’s way to early to really and tell and I guess this conversation will have to wait until week 10 Agree under 5 wins they will between the rock and a hard place because they are committed to Judge I think they will get better as the year goes on.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 15, 2020 19:44:55 GMT -5
Its really year 1A of a rebuild. Got the QB last year and a completely new coaching staff the next. When Gettleman came aboard in 2018, they did a half ass job evaluating everything and that turned into what it did.
From a realistic standpoint, 2021 was the goal the second Judge was brought in. Its going to be a tough season but there should hopefully be light at the end of this tunnel.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 15, 2020 19:51:06 GMT -5
We have to hope that after 1 more draft & FA fills more of the holes that we should be competing for at the very least, a WC slot going into Dec of next yr & a div title in 22' & beyond.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 20:02:54 GMT -5
33 games in.... 2 seasons +1 game.....
How long does a rebuild normally take? I mean what is the common NFL go to for this? 2 to 3 "full" seasons?
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Post by mj312 on Sept 15, 2020 20:11:48 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? I think next season will be a good indication. 4-5 years to be fair. Next year is year four and we should at the very least be compeititve for at least a wild card spot. If not, there may be a very good chance the rebuild wan't completely successful and for sure if they aren't competing for the playoffs by year 5. If this team doesn't show major improvement this year there's no way gettleman should get a 4th year .. he's already starting to rebuild his own rebuild . He has picked a few good players but the only way to gauge it is by wins and losses .. gettleman had a bunch of early round picks over the last 3 years and this team still looks like it years away from being competitive.. if this year is another flop we have to stop the bleeding and get rid of him .. the offense is getting worst every year
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Post by allnygin on Sept 16, 2020 17:03:27 GMT -5
I think next season will be a good indication. 4-5 years to be fair. Next year is year four and we should at the very least be compeititve for at least a wild card spot. If not, there may be a very good chance the rebuild wan't completely successful and for sure if they aren't competing for the playoffs by year 5. If this team doesn't show major improvement this year there's no way gettleman should get a 4th year .. he's already starting to rebuild his own rebuild . He has picked a few good players but the only way to gauge it is by wins and losses .. gettleman had a bunch of early round picks over the last 3 years and this team still looks like it years away from being competitive.. if this year is another flop we have to stop the bleeding and get rid of him .. the offense is getting worst every year We have the second youngest roster in the NFL.. I want to win as much as the next guy, I'm sick of BS as much as the next guy, but I STRONGLY believe gettlemen gets one more year. This season is awash unless something extraordinarily unlikely happens. One more full season after this is fair. The revolving door doesn't help this team and quite frankly adding a new GM at this point would most likely set back the franchise another few years anyway. This isn't a fairy tale it doesn't work out on a whim.. He gets one more year, and if next year we bomb and miss the playoffs he''s out.. Thats how I see it anywway, just my opinion.
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Post by giants8493 on Sept 16, 2020 17:09:13 GMT -5
Sooooo this is our 3rd year of rebuilding and we do not look well. I admit I am NOT and expert in this but how long does a rebuild take before you are not one of the worst teams in the NFL? 5-10 years? I agree with your assessment.. granted it's game 1 but our line got absolutely destroyed once again.. zero run game .. I saw some fight in the defense which is good but it's Gnna be a long road .. we are already starting to rebuild the rebuild Pass blocking was somewhat surprisingly solid.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 17:17:32 GMT -5
If this team doesn't show major improvement this year there's no way gettleman should get a 4th year .. he's already starting to rebuild his own rebuild . He has picked a few good players but the only way to gauge it is by wins and losses .. gettleman had a bunch of early round picks over the last 3 years and this team still looks like it years away from being competitive.. if this year is another flop we have to stop the bleeding and get rid of him .. the offense is getting worst every year We have the second youngest roster in the NFL.. I want to win as much as the next guy, I'm sick of BS as much as the next guy, but I STRONGLY believe gettlemen gets one more year. This season is awash unless something extraordinarily unlikely happens. One more full season after this is fair. The revolving door doesn't help this team and quite frankly adding a new GM at this point would most likely set back the franchise another few years anyway. This isn't a fairy tale it doesn't work out on a whim.. He gets one more year, and if next year we bomb and miss the playoffs he''s out.. Thats how I see it anywway, just my opinion. Same This was a complete roster blow up and rebuild,the likes of which we haven't seen in tbe cap are and possibly even as big as the Dallas rebuild in 1989(without the benefit of a Hershal Walker rip off trade),which included eating a record amount of dead money to accomplish. This is pretty much ywar 2 and I would think this roster is close to 75% complete if things work out incing a probable franchise qb.. Stupid to get rid of him after a probable losing season with circumstances out of anyone's control
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Post by lasion2 on Sept 16, 2020 17:22:00 GMT -5
Its really year 1A of a rebuild. Got the QB last year and a completely new coaching staff the next. When Gettleman came aboard in 2018, they did a half ass job evaluating everything and that turned into what it did. From a realistic standpoint, 2021 was the goal the second Judge was brought in. Its going to be a tough season but there should hopefully be light at the end of this tunnel. I agree with this. ‘18 wasn’t a rebuild year. I’ll be disappointed next Halloween if we’re talking about draft picks instead of playoff seeds. For now I’m content to see improvements and scout potential need solutions
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 16, 2020 17:32:30 GMT -5
There are so many new parts/players on both sides of the ball.... new coaches... new system for every player. It takes a decent amount of time for everyone to be on the same page, as we saw Monday night... a lot of mental mistakes in coverage and blocking assignments. It takes time to become familiar with the system and with each other, and to build chemistry. I think what we see the second half of this season will be a better indication of what our nucleus truly is, and what parts we still need to replace to take the next step to respectfulness. I'm not complaining for real until they get some time to get the kinks out. I am confidant we have the right coaches and QB to build success from.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 18:34:30 GMT -5
There are so many new parts/players on both sides of the ball.... new coaches... new system for every player. It takes a decent amount of time for everyone to be on the same page, as we saw Monday night... a lot of mental mistakes in coverage and blocking assignments. It takes time to become familiar with the system and with each other, and to build chemistry. I think what we see the second half of this season will be a better indication of what our nucleus truly is, and what parts we still need to replace to take the next step to respectfulness. I'm not complaining for real until they get some time to get the kinks out. I am confidant we have the right coaches and QB to build success from.That and there is a very good core of players to build around as well.
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