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Post by McCherry on Sept 14, 2020 22:14:12 GMT -5
Tate wouldn't have made any difference. I thought Shepard really played hard and moved the chains all night. Did you watch Jones chemistry with Tate last year? He absolutely would have made a difference. Jones had no WR's to throw to except Slayton, who is still very limited in his route running. Tate's absence was felt all night. The problem wasn't the pass plays, it was the running plays. Most of the time they ran with 3 WR's split out leaving 5 linemen to block 7 defenders. Barkley's best run came with the 3 TE set. Unfortunately, they threw most of the time with this alignment, including the red zone INT. Made no sense, I wasn't impressed with the way Garrett implemented the running game. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 14, 2020 22:20:50 GMT -5
If he was Zeke he would be running behind one of the better OLs in the game they aren't as complete as they were but they still are formidable they suffered a few injuries so Dallas might slip little . I see Zeke get hit behind the line and I'm happy, but then see him carry those guys and still somehow get 3 4 yards out of it and I'm like, "man I wish Barkley could do that." They are different runners. I like Zekes style much more. He is physical. He moves people and breaks tackles every play. It takes too many plays for Barkley to finally be effective. I don't think so at all Zeke is in a much better situation he rarely gets touched till he's into the second level they are running in 2 different worlds. A lot of people like to shit on Barkely because he's a DG pick he runs with power and balance he has had some insane power runs breaking several tackles. even on his long runs he powers through tackles. Think when the Giants get this OL rolling you will like Barkely plenty. he had 2000 yards combined his first season and had about 1400 years combined last year where he was running on abad wheel. |
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 14, 2020 22:21:50 GMT -5
As far as im concerned with Thomas, no news is great news.
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 14, 2020 22:22:14 GMT -5
2 plays killed us this game. The drive for Pittsburgh at the end of the half. For the life of me Julian, quit trying to strip the ball and put his ass on the ground to force a field goal. The other was the long drive forced Int by Jones. Both plays changed the game. Those plays cant happen. Don’t forget the TJ Watts interception.. |
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Post by giantsrock on Sept 14, 2020 22:22:15 GMT -5
I thought Pittsburgh had much more creative run plays. Garrett just ran Barkley into a brick wall. Really? I felt like Snell just ran it down our throats and Barkley was hit right off the handoff. The few times Barkley sniffed room to run he's just cut into the back of a lineman. We must have watched different games. Almost every Pittsburgh running play involved some sort of misdirection. Garretts plays were vanilla. And yes, the vanilla plays gpt stuffed |
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Post by giantsrock on Sept 14, 2020 22:28:24 GMT -5
I dont expect Engram to last the season on our team. He actually hurts us. I mean are you a blocker? Are you going to catch a pass? Are you going to do anything constructive. If not Cya , put the Smith kid in asap. One thing for sure is he can't block. Shurmur knew that and judge will figure it out eventually. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 14, 2020 22:41:04 GMT -5
Really? I felt like Snell just ran it down our throats and Barkley was hit right off the handoff. The few times Barkley sniffed room to run he's just cut into the back of a lineman. We must have watched different games. Almost every Pittsburgh running play involved some sort of misdirection. Garretts plays were vanilla. And yes, the vanilla plays gpt stuffed Yeah I did notice this Remember we didn't have tbe usual offseason to install the entire offense and my guess is we only used at most 30 to 40% of the playbook tonight,and "maybe" by seasons end we could have 50% of our offense available. Another byproduct of this team being at such a disadvantage. I would say most of our gameplan was vanilla by nessesity, Dallas always had misdirection type runs so its not like this team won't have them |
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 15, 2020 6:01:04 GMT -5
We must have watched different games. Almost every Pittsburgh running play involved some sort of misdirection. Garretts plays were vanilla. And yes, the vanilla plays gpt stuffed Yeah I did notice this Remember we didn't have tbe usual offseason to install the entire offense and my guess is we only used at most 30 to 40% of the playbook tonight,and "maybe" by seasons end we could have 50% of our offense available. Another byproduct of this team being at such a disadvantage. I would say most of our gameplan was vanilla by nessesity, Dallas always had misdirection type runs so its not like this team won't have them You need to be able to block for a split second longer on a misdirection run. This line can't block a split second off the snap. We are lucky Garrett didn't abandon the run completely in the 2nd quarter. I give him credit just for that. |
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Post by spaceweather on Sept 15, 2020 6:02:58 GMT -5
I liked everything I saw besides him running on 2nd and long just like Shurmur.....
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Post by southerner on Sept 15, 2020 6:05:07 GMT -5
i think for the first game, there were some nice adjustments. some great drives and imaginative plays. he will have to figure out how to get barkley the ball in space and maybe rush someone else more under center. overall i liked what i saw for the first game to know there is potential there.  Ummm...I couldn’t disagree more. I thought Macadoo was running the offense last night. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 15, 2020 6:13:17 GMT -5
As far as im concerned with Thomas, no news is great news. I thought Thomas had a very good first game against a top notch defense. He was one of the bright spots on our line. Our other tackle on the other hand. looked completely lost on way too many plays. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 6:22:19 GMT -5
the Oline stunk big time...has almost zero to do with the play calling.
Execution was terrible. Some of you mention the plays were vanilla he should have done this or that. The oline couldn't even do the simple stuff!!
The guys on the oline are playing as individuals in the run game. They have no continuity with each other.....yet
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 6:23:13 GMT -5
As far as im concerned with Thomas, no news is great news. I thought Thomas had a very good first game against a top notch defense. He was one of the bright spots on our line. Our other tackle on the other hand. looked completely lost on way too many plays. Gates got pushed around too......tough spot for a new Center and only a second year player at that |
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Post by southerner on Sept 15, 2020 6:54:48 GMT -5
I thought Thomas had a very good first game against a top notch defense. He was one of the bright spots on our line. Our other tackle on the other hand. looked completely lost on way too many plays. Gates got pushed around too......tough spot for a new Center and only a second year player at that I saw Gates completely miss his assigned block three times....whiffed. I feel for Saquon and Danny Dimes.....those two guys are going to get beat up every week until they are injured. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 7:00:47 GMT -5
Gates got pushed around too......tough spot for a new Center and only a second year player at that I saw Gates completely miss his assigned block three times....whiffed. I feel for Saquon and Danny Dimes.....those two guys are going to get beat up every week until they are injured. yep...he was terrible on too many plays |
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 15, 2020 7:09:16 GMT -5
I thought Pittsburgh had much more creative run plays. Garrett just ran Barkley into a brick wall. Really? I felt like Snell just ran it down our throats and Barkley was hit right off the handoff. The few times Barkley sniffed room to run he's just cut into the back of a lineman. Someone should go back and count how many times Barkley got hit or touched in the backfield right after getting the ball last night. Then go on youtube and put on a game from like 2006 or something and notice the monumental difference in how Tiki (consistently) doesn't get touched until he passes the line of scrimmage. You know what I noticed about Barkley?? He tries a little less when he knows the OL is playing like garbage. I don't blame him, what can one do when they get the ball and have a guy on them?? The OL was clearly still getting up to speed. A little late in recognizing their assignments on run blocking plays, and a couple pass plays as well |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 7:10:34 GMT -5
Really? I felt like Snell just ran it down our throats and Barkley was hit right off the handoff. The few times Barkley sniffed room to run he's just cut into the back of a lineman.
Then go on youtube and put on a game from like 2006 or something and notice the monumental difference in how Tiki (consistently) doesn't get touched until he passes the line of scrimmage. You know what I noticed about Barkley?? He tries a little less when he knows the OL is playing like garbage. I don't blame him, what can one do when they get the ball and have a guy on them?? The OL was clearly still getting up to speed. A little late in recognizing their assignments on run blocking plays, and a couple pass plays as well 11 or 12 out of 15 times |
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 15, 2020 7:12:46 GMT -5
Did you watch Jones chemistry with Tate last year? He absolutely would have made a difference. Jones had no WR's to throw to except Slayton, who is still very limited in his route running. Tate's absence was felt all night. The problem wasn't the pass plays, it was the running plays. Most of the time they ran with 3 WR's split out leaving 5 linemen to block 7 defenders. Barkley's best run came with the 3 TE set. Unfortunately, they threw most of the time with this alignment, including the red zone INT. Made no sense, I wasn't impressed with the way Garrett implemented the running game. Well it's not a bad idea. If you see three TE what do you think as a defense? Run play. So you pass, especially when the OL is struggling with run blocking assignments. He probably would like to run more behind a 3 te set but maybe he thought it was better to catch PITT off guard? Not a bad strategy. I think we'll see more running out of that formation going forward. But there does have to be a balance. |
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 15, 2020 7:13:29 GMT -5
Someone should go back and count how many times Barkley got hit or touched in the backfield right after getting the ball last night.
Then go on youtube and put on a game from like 2006 or something and notice the monumental difference in how Tiki (consistently) doesn't get touched until he passes the line of scrimmage. You know what I noticed about Barkley?? He tries a little less when he knows the OL is playing like garbage. I don't blame him, what can one do when they get the ball and have a guy on them?? The OL was clearly still getting up to speed. A little late in recognizing their assignments on run blocking plays, and a couple pass plays as well 11 or 12 out of 15 times Thank you, I was going to say precisely 12 times but wasn't sure if I'd be right |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 15, 2020 7:16:04 GMT -5
Really? I felt like Snell just ran it down our throats and Barkley was hit right off the handoff. The few times Barkley sniffed room to run he's just cut into the back of a lineman. Someone should go back and count how many times Barkley got hit or touched in the backfield right after getting the ball last night. Then go on youtube and put on a game from like 2006 or something and notice the monumental difference in how Tiki (consistently) doesn't get touched until he passes the line of scrimmage. You know what I noticed about Barkley?? He tries a little less when he knows the OL is playing like garbage. I don't blame him, what can one do when they get the ball and have a guy on them?? The OL was clearly still getting up to speed. A little late in recognizing their assignments on run blocking plays, and a couple pass plays as well Yep One team was veteran playing with continuity and the other looked like it was preseason game 1.. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Sept 15, 2020 10:27:54 GMT -5
Tate wouldn't have made any difference. I thought Shepard really played hard and moved the chains all night. Did you watch Jones chemistry with Tate last year? He absolutely would have made a difference. I don't remember it Navy, I'll look for it and root for it but I feel Shep is our clutch guy for making the first down. To me Tate is our 5 th option in the passing game. Maybe 6th with our 2nd TE Smith. |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 15, 2020 11:17:09 GMT -5
And of course still not a single game with Jones, Slayton, Shepard, Engram, Tate and Barkley all healthy. Tate would have been nice to have out there tonight. I'm hoping next week this happens. Another week of rest for Tate, no additional injuries last night.....we'll see. If so, and based on what I saw last night and over the weekend, I like our chances against the Bears. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 11:38:01 GMT -5
i think for the first game, there were some nice adjustments. some great drives and imaginative plays. he will have to figure out how to get barkley the ball in space and maybe rush someone else more under center. overall i liked what i saw for the first game to know there is potential there. Ummm...I couldn’t disagree more. I thought Macadoo was running the offensjone last night. jones threw it deep a few times and medium passes past the sticks, and made half time adjustments. so not like Mcadoo at all |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 15, 2020 12:49:34 GMT -5
Ummm...I couldn’t disagree more. I thought Macadoo was running the offensjone last night. jones threw it deep a few times and medium passes past the sticks, and made half time adjustments. so not like Mcadoo at all No surprise. Garrett won a NFL Coach of the Year award. He’s among the best in the business. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 15, 2020 13:03:31 GMT -5
Ummm...I couldn’t disagree more. I thought Macadoo was running the offensjone last night. jones threw it deep a few times and medium passes past the sticks, and made half time adjustments. so not like Mcadoo at all I have no idea what this poster means by this though I can speculate from older posts what he wants..and thank God he isn't getting what he wants |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 15, 2020 13:06:26 GMT -5
And of course still not a single game with Jones, Slayton, Shepard, Engram, Tate and Barkley all healthy. Tate would have been nice to have out there tonight. I'm hoping next week this happens. Another week of rest for Tate, no additional injuries last night.....we'll see. If so, and based on what I saw last night and over the weekend, I like our chances against the Bears. I want to see more of Board and Ratley Board looked the part when called on Ratley could be a hidden big play guy for this team.. |
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