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Post by rbe40 on Sept 14, 2020 22:50:18 GMT -5
His style of running will never consistently win games in the NFL
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Post by GMenNY21 on Sept 14, 2020 22:52:22 GMT -5
11 out 15 attempts a steeler was in the backfield. There is no running style to overcome this unless you can fly over the defense
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Post by allnygin on Sept 14, 2020 23:01:59 GMT -5
If i'm being honest I don't think any running back would've had a good day with what Barkley ahd to deal with today.
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 14, 2020 23:08:30 GMT -5
Daniel Jones was the Giants leading rusher four attempts , for 22 yards .
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Post by giantsforce on Sept 14, 2020 23:24:06 GMT -5
If i'm being honest I don't think any running back would've had a good day with what Barkley ahd to deal with today. I feel the same way. We cannot just blame Barkley. When you get tackled 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage, there isn't much you can do. We have a long way before we become a real team because we do not have all the pieces in place.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 14, 2020 23:29:37 GMT -5
If i'm being honest I don't think any running back would've had a good day with what Barkley ahd to deal with today. I feel the same way. We cannot just blame Barkley. When you get tackled 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage, there isn't much you can do. We have a long way before we become a real team because we do not have all the pieces in place. Lot of work to be done on that O-line, but I knew coming in this would be a problem.. I just hoped they'd be slightly better. It's gonna be a slow grind before they start to gel. Hopefully, Peart develops quickly and can solidify that RT spot.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 7:08:34 GMT -5
We had the same problem last season with the Center . I am pissed. What makes the FO and Coaching staff think any ole guy can play center? Why not just use the punter in as a corner. IMO; It is the same logic. He can tackle the returner at times . So he should be able to tackle the guy catching the ball. It is no diffrent making a Guard or Tackle play Center. When is that AHA moment going to kick in and the Staff realizes, A Center is a Center for a reason , and not "any ole O-line player will do"? If the O-line player's IQ is below 130. He should no be playing a position that requires a high degree of intellect. It is obvious by him missing his own assignments. He does not have the head for the job. You can't fix stupid. He is a good Guard and a decent Tackle. He proved he is not a center.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 15, 2020 7:16:09 GMT -5
Put a little bit more effort into stuff like this OP
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 15, 2020 7:18:38 GMT -5
His style of running will never consistently win games in the NFL Football 101....blocking and tackling. Re-watch the game and pay attention to the Steeler's defense. Notice how they're in the backfield on nearly every run play, and how Barkley barely has time to take the hand-off. The RB in this situation, no matter who the RB is, is not the problem.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 15, 2020 7:26:02 GMT -5
Barkley isnt as good as they hoped he would be, but last night the Steelers knew we were running when we were. He is way too easily taken out of games. This isnt the first time.
That said, he also drops passes too much and cant pick up the blitz to protect the QB. Those are 100% legitimate beefs you can not blame the OL for.
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Post by TGTW92 on Sept 15, 2020 8:05:23 GMT -5
I honestly hope we don't resign him. But since he isn't a head case like Odell I guess we won't be trading him either.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 15, 2020 8:22:55 GMT -5
We had the same problem last season with the Center . I am pissed. What makes the FO and Coaching staff think any ole guy can play center? Why not just use the punter in as a corner. IMO; It is the same logic. He can tackle the returner at times . So he should be able to tackle the guy catching the ball. It is no diffrent making a Guard or Tackle play Center. When is that AHA moment going to kick in and the Staff realizes, A Center is a Center for a reason , and not "any ole O-line player will do"? If the O-line player's IQ is below 130. He should no be playing a position that requires a high degree of intellect. It is obvious by him missing his own assignments. He does not have the head for the job. You can't fix stupid. He is a good Guard and a deaccent Tackle. He proved he is not a center. You’re putting all the blame on Nick Gates? The same Nick Gates who never played the center position? Last time I checked the whole offensive line played like shit in the running game. Let’s not put full blame on one player, it’s a collaborative effort.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 8:32:38 GMT -5
Walter Payton would have been shut down last night, barkley was totally swarmed behind the line. man did the steelers completely shut him down. that dude dupree flying in wasnt even covered half the time. we did a lot of good things, and we did a lot of bad, that was pretty much the worst
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 8:34:24 GMT -5
We had the same problem last season with the Center . I am pissed. What makes the FO and Coaching staff think any ole guy can play center? Why not just use the punter in as a corner. IMO; It is the same logic. He can tackle the returner at times . So he should be able to tackle the guy catching the ball. It is no diffrent making a Guard or Tackle play Center. When is that AHA moment going to kick in and the Staff realizes, A Center is a Center for a reason , and not "any ole O-line player will do"? If the O-line player's IQ is below 130. He should no be playing a position that requires a high degree of intellect. It is obvious by him missing his own assignments. He does not have the head for the job. You can't fix stupid. He is a good Guard and a deaccent Tackle. He proved he is not a center. You’re putting all the blame on Nick Gates? The same Nick Gates who never played the center position? Last time I checked the whole offensive line played like shit in the running game. Let’s not put full blame on one player, it’s a collaborative effort. you are the guy that complains everybody's play .Gates sucked last night. He could not call his own assignment let alone the other 4's. The Center flat out sucked as the center did last year , and the year before that ........ We have not had a protection caller since Ohara. FYI OUR LINE HAS SUCKED BECAUSE THE ORCRESTRATOR OF THE O-LINE HAS BEEN A NON-EXISTANT PREFORMER. The Center is the Key stone of the line . If that is not the right fit. The entire Arch collapses. How some of you fail to see that is mindboggling.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 15, 2020 8:47:16 GMT -5
His style of running will never consistently win games in the NFL Uhmmm yeah ok.. the offensive line looks horrific .. they were getting blown off the ball and he's getting hit 4 yards in the backfield .. but yes , barkley is the prob
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 15, 2020 8:52:27 GMT -5
Barkley's performance last night is a symptom of the disease that this team has had for years- the OL. It was the first game they have played together as a unit, with a rookie, a guy playing center for the first time, and a career back up...and guess what? It showed.
We also played a really good defense and front 7, maybe the best in the AFC and arguably the best in the NFL. As bad as it was, I need to see a few more games to see if there is any progression before I pass any real judgement...
That being said, drafting Saquon Barkley at #2 and expecting anything different than what we have seen behind this OL the last couple years was absolutely the wrong decision....I don't know how anyone can argue that. He is someone who should be a final piece, or one of the final pieces, not put in the position he has been put in...set up to fail.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 15, 2020 8:52:31 GMT -5
His style of running will never consistently win games in the NFL Uhmmm yeah ok.. the offensive line looks horrific .. they were getting blown off the ball and he's getting hit 4 yards in the backfield .. but yes , barkley is the prob I think his running style, blocking attempts and catching is part of the issue, but mainly islts the OL... ONCE AGAIN. Absolutely awful and it wasn't the rookie, it was the vets.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 15, 2020 8:53:46 GMT -5
You’re putting all the blame on Nick Gates? The same Nick Gates who never played the center position? Last time I checked the whole offensive line played like shit in the running game. Let’s not put full blame on one player, it’s a collaborative effort. you are the guy that complains everybody's play .Gates sucked last night. He could not call his own assignment let alone the other 4's. The Center flat out sucked as the center did last year , and the year before that ........ We have not had a protection caller since Ohara. FYI OUR LINE HAS SUCKED BECAUSE THE ORCRESTRATOR OF THE O-LINE HAS BEEN A NON-EXISTANT PREFORMER. The Center is the Key stone of the line . If that is not the right fit. The entire Arch collapses. First, I don’t complain.. That’s for bitches, I’m critical. Welcome to the club, you finally saw something on the field and you didn’t give many excuses for it. Did you expect Gates to play well? I sure didn’t.. I’m still not sold that he can play center, how many 6’5” centers are in the league? One maybe two tops? Your frustration should be at the coaches, they’re the ones who continue to put square pegs in round holes. They’re reasoning is obvious, they want to put the best 5 guys on the line. Regardless if they have played the position. The Giants like Gates a lot.. Since he wasn’t going to beat out Thomas, Zeitler, or Fleming they felt center was an ideal spot for him. Now, as for last night. That was a failure across the board. Rewatch the game, not once did any of the line push their guys or make a hole for Barkley. Matter of fact, the interior of Hernandez, Gates and Zeitler were awful. How many times did you hear Alualu name? Or Bush and Williams name? The Steelers mike linebackers. I lost count on how many times Barkley got hit in the backfield, but in your line of thinking that’s on Gates. He’s making the calls, and clearly he can’t block.
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Post by roundabout on Sept 15, 2020 8:59:35 GMT -5
Walter Payton would have been shut down last night, barkley was totally swarmed behind the line. man did the steelers completely shut him down. that dude dupree flying in wasnt even covered half the time. we did a lot of good things, and we did a lot of bad, that was pretty much the worst At least if Walter Payton was having a tough time running the ball, he wouldn't let that part of the game effect the other parts the game like, picking up blitzes and catching the football
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Post by mj312 on Sept 15, 2020 9:01:35 GMT -5
Uhmmm yeah ok.. the offensive line looks horrific .. they were getting blown off the ball and he's getting hit 4 yards in the backfield .. but yes , barkley is the prob I think his running style, blocking attempts and catching is part of the issue, but mainly islts the OL... ONCE AGAIN. Absolutely awful and it wasn't the rookie, it was the vets. They are legit terrible .. how can the Giants line be this bad every single year ? I was starting to wish for Bobby Hart and flowers to come back
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 9:04:32 GMT -5
you are the guy that complains everybody's play .Gates sucked last night. He could not call his own assignment let alone the other 4's. The Center flat out sucked as the center did last year , and the year before that ........ We have not had a protection caller since Ohara. FYI OUR LINE HAS SUCKED BECAUSE THE ORCRESTRATOR OF THE O-LINE HAS BEEN A NON-EXISTANT PREFORMER. The Center is the Key stone of the line . If that is not the right fit. The entire Arch collapses. First, I don’t complain.. That’s for bitches, I’m critical. Welcome to the club, you finally saw something on the field and you didn’t give it many excuses for it. Did you expect Gates to play well? I sure didn’t.. I’m still not sold that he can play center, how many 6’5” centers are in the league? One maybe two tops? Your frustration should be at the coaches, they’re the ones who continue to put square pegs in round holes. They’re reasoning is obvious, they want to put the best 5 guys on the line. Regardless if they have played the position. The Giants like Gates a lot.. Since he wasn’t going to beat out Thomas, Zeitler, OT Fleming they felt center was an ideal spot for him. Now, as for last night. That was a failure across the board. Rewatch the game, not once did any of the line push their guys or make a hole for Barkley. Matter of fact, the interior of Hernandez, Gates and Zeitler were awful. How many times did you hear Alualu name? Or Bush and Williams name? The Steelers mike linebackers. I lost count on how many times Barkley got hit in the backfield, but in your line of thinking that’s on Gates. He’s making the calls, and clearly he can’t block. And there is the F-ing problem . The canter is like the QB . If he doesn't play well . The rest of the line can't . We don't have 4 All Pros and "wish we had a center". That can be compensated for. We have an Average O-line and a clueless center. That Cluelessness will reflect across the line. How is it for that the good part of 9 years . We bring guys in that played well on other teams Solder Zeitler... They come on the Giants and look like they never played. Ever wonder why? My last post explains why. It is not the other 4 . it is the Center and it has been for a long time. But lets keep changing the other 4 and put "Some guy" in as the Center. Because that model seems to be a plethora of success.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 15, 2020 9:04:57 GMT -5
We had the same problem last season with the Center . I am pissed. What makes the FO and Coaching staff think any ole guy can play center? Why not just use the punter in as a corner. IMO; It is the same logic. He can tackle the returner at times . So he should be able to tackle the guy catching the ball. It is no diffrent making a Guard or Tackle play Center. When is that AHA moment going to kick in and the Staff realizes, A Center is a Center for a reason , and not "any ole O-line player will do"? If the O-line player's IQ is below 130. He should no be playing a position that requires a high degree of intellect. It is obvious by him missing his own assignments. He does not have the head for the job. You can't fix stupid. He is a good Guard and a deaccent Tackle. He proved he is not a center. Well I think we should give him til week 3. People should realize this IS preseason in a way for a young team. Pulley was serviceable a couple years ago. I think they just like Gates potential. He does have a versatile body type for the OL, just like Diehl
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 15, 2020 9:05:51 GMT -5
Walter Payton would have been shut down last night, barkley was totally swarmed behind the line. man did the steelers completely shut him down. that dude dupree flying in wasnt even covered half the time. we did a lot of good things, and we did a lot of bad, that was pretty much the worst At least if Walter Payton was having a tough time running the ball, he wouldn't let that part of the game effect the other parts the game like, picking up blitzes and catching the football Hey, don’t talk about Captain America like that. Also, can’t be critical of Barkley. If you do you’re labeled an idiot who knows nothing about football. It’s all the offensive lines fault, especially Nick Gates.. Right TEM?
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Post by jmike on Sept 15, 2020 9:06:25 GMT -5
His style of running will never consistently win games in the NFL Uhmmm yeah ok.. the offensive line looks horrific .. they were getting blown off the ball and he's getting hit 4 yards in the backfield .. but yes , barkley is the prob This is true. But there was a few plays that he had room and didn't do anything. One in particular when he had a large hole to his left created by Thomas and Hernandez with about 8 yards of open ground.....so he runs head first into Hernandez' ass like he is Mark Sanchez.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 15, 2020 9:07:15 GMT -5
First, I don’t complain.. That’s for bitches, I’m critical. Welcome to the club, you finally saw something on the field and you didn’t give it many excuses for it. Did you expect Gates to play well? I sure didn’t.. I’m still not sold that he can play center, how many 6’5” centers are in the league? One maybe two tops? Your frustration should be at the coaches, they’re the ones who continue to put square pegs in round holes. They’re reasoning is obvious, they want to put the best 5 guys on the line. Regardless if they have played the position. The Giants like Gates a lot.. Since he wasn’t going to beat out Thomas, Zeitler, OT Fleming they felt center was an ideal spot for him. Now, as for last night. That was a failure across the board. Rewatch the game, not once did any of the line push their guys or make a hole for Barkley. Matter of fact, the interior of Hernandez, Gates and Zeitler were awful. How many times did you hear Alualu name? Or Bush and Williams name? The Steelers mike linebackers. I lost count on how many times Barkley got hit in the backfield, but in your line of thinking that’s on Gates. He’s making the calls, and clearly he can’t block. And there is the F-ing problem . The canter is like the QB . If he doesn't play well . The rest of the line can't . We don't have 4 All Pros and "wish we had a center". That can be compensated for. We have an Average O-line and a clueless center. That Cluelessness will reflect across the line. How is it for that the good part of 9 years . We bring guys in that played well on other teams Solder Zeitler... They come on the Giants and look like they never played. Ever wonder why? My last post explains why. It is not the other 4 . it is the Center and it has been for a long time. But lets keep changing the other 4 and put "Some guy" in as the Center. Because that model seems to be a plethora of success. It's true. But the line did play okay at the end of 2018 with Pulley. Even Brett Jones played well, then he got traded because the the league said the Giants aren't allow to have an average OL. I mean that's the only way such moves make sense lol. Because what they had behind Jones was clearly sub-par. But I do agree with you. Just want to give Gates another week or two before I say he's incompetent. If it was any other year I'd be a little less patient.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 9:10:21 GMT -5
We had the same problem last season with the Center . I am pissed. What makes the FO and Coaching staff think any ole guy can play center? Why not just use the punter in as a corner. IMO; It is the same logic. He can tackle the returner at times . So he should be able to tackle the guy catching the ball. It is no diffrent making a Guard or Tackle play Center. When is that AHA moment going to kick in and the Staff realizes, A Center is a Center for a reason , and not "any ole O-line player will do"? If the O-line player's IQ is below 130. He should no be playing a position that requires a high degree of intellect. It is obvious by him missing his own assignments. He does not have the head for the job. You can't fix stupid. He is a good Guard and a deaccent Tackle. He proved he is not a center. Well I think we should give him til week 3. People should realize this IS preseason in a way for a young team. Pulley was serviceable a couple years ago. I think they just like Gates potential. He does have a versatile body type for the OL, just like Diehl Either he has the head for the job or he doesn't . What I watched last night . I do not think he does. He did nothing to to adjust to his mistakes. He did the same thing over and over. That is not the definition of insanity. That is the definition of stupidity.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 15, 2020 9:13:16 GMT -5
you are the guy that complains everybody's play .Gates sucked last night. He could not call his own assignment let alone the other 4's. The Center flat out sucked as the center did last year , and the year before that ........ We have not had a protection caller since Ohara. FYI OUR LINE HAS SUCKED BECAUSE THE ORCRESTRATOR OF THE O-LINE HAS BEEN A NON-EXISTANT PREFORMER. The Center is the Key stone of the line . If that is not the right fit. The entire Arch collapses. First, I don’t complain.. That’s for bitches, I’m critical. Welcome to the club, you finally saw something on the field and you didn’t give many excuses for it. Did you expect Gates to play well? I sure didn’t.. I’m still not sold that he can play center, how many 6’5” centers are in the league? One maybe two tops? Your frustration should be at the coaches, they’re the ones who continue to put square pegs in round holes. They’re reasoning is obvious, they want to put the best 5 guys on the line. Regardless if they have played the position. The Giants like Gates a lot.. Since he wasn’t going to beat out Thomas, Zeitler, or Fleming they felt center was an ideal spot for him. Now, as for last night. That was a failure across the board. Rewatch the game, not once did any of the line push their guys or make a hole for Barkley. Matter of fact, the interior of Hernandez, Gates and Zeitler were awful. How many times did you hear Alualu name? Or Bush and Williams name? The Steelers mike linebackers. I lost count on how many times Barkley got hit in the backfield, but in your line of thinking that’s on Gates. He’s making the calls, and clearly he can’t block. Since they completely ignored C in the draft and offseason, I was hoping they knew Gates could play C. Obviously, thats on them for not knowing and ignoring a key part of the OL. C is not a G. You can get by with a weak G. Not a weak C. They need to just put Pulley back in and hope for the best. And Hernandez and Zeitler need to help out.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 15, 2020 9:13:18 GMT -5
Uhmmm yeah ok.. the offensive line looks horrific .. they were getting blown off the ball and he's getting hit 4 yards in the backfield .. but yes , barkley is the prob This is true. But there was a few plays that he had room and didn't do anything. One in particular when he had a large hole to his left created by Thomas and Hernandez with about 8 yards of open ground.....so he runs head first into Hernandez' ass like he is Mark Sanchez. I though that the commentary was so bad last night. I was screaming for Saquon to go left on that play, and the announcers never even mentioned it. Oh yeah, and they kept blaming Thomas for Bud Dupree, when it was clear that the plan was to leave Dupree free as they ran to the other side. Unfortunately, Saquon doesn't like to move forward unless there is a huge hole, so Dupree was able to come down the entire line and drag him down from behind. In any event, certainly not Thomas' fault.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 9:13:47 GMT -5
And there is the F-ing problem . The canter is like the QB . If he doesn't play well . The rest of the line can't . We don't have 4 All Pros and "wish we had a center". That can be compensated for. We have an Average O-line and a clueless center. That Cluelessness will reflect across the line. How is it for that the good part of 9 years . We bring guys in that played well on other teams Solder Zeitler... They come on the Giants and look like they never played. Ever wonder why? My last post explains why. It is not the other 4 . it is the Center and it has been for a long time. But lets keep changing the other 4 and put "Some guy" in as the Center. Because that model seems to be a plethora of success. It's true. But the line did play okay at the end of 2018 with Pulley. Even Brett Jones played well, then he got traded because the the league said the Giants aren't allow to have an average OL. I mean that's the only way such moves make sense lol. Because what they had behind Jones was clearly sub-par. But I do agree with you. Just want to give Gates another week or two before I say he's incompetent. If it was any other year I'd be a little less patient. Pully had the same problems with run support . Jones is out of the league. At what point is the realization that a center is necessity and not an after thought going to be acknowledged.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 15, 2020 9:14:13 GMT -5
This is one of the worst thread titles I have seen on any message board. It seems like we have fans that try to run every good player we get out of town.
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