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Post by Kruunch on Sept 15, 2020 11:15:34 GMT -5
The Barkley smear campaign is in full force over here.He missed a few blitz pickups and dropped a couple passes. His online couldn’t open up a hole for him the whole game. Yet D.J. who I like btw , continues to make game altering mistakes and some here r saying it’s a process/ he’s young / he will make mistakes etc etc. Talk about a double standard. Keep that same energy for all players First, it’s not a smear campaign. It’s fans being critical of arguably our best player. If this was Gallman Jr no one would give two shits. I’ve been on him with his blitz pick up for sometime now. In College he never was assigned to do that, in the pros? You better know how to pick up that maniac linebacker who’s coming after your QB. It's clearly a weakness of his, he’s been on record of saying he has to get better. Credit to the Steelers on preparation. They know Barkley has issues picking up a blitz and diagnosing where it’s coming from. They ran a delayed blitz with their corner that was timed perfectly. That wasn’t luck, that was clearly a team that did their homework. As for Jones, let’s have at it. I feel no player is off limits. Want to discuss his bonehead play with the interception in the green zone? Or that he is continuing his turnover rate from last year? A loss is a team effort, just as wins. Some players stick out more than others. Barkley had a rough game last night. You look at the stat sheet and you would think it’s a misprint.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 11:22:57 GMT -5
We had the same problem last season with the Center . I am pissed. What makes the FO and Coaching staff think any ole guy can play center? Why not just use the punter in as a corner. IMO; It is the same logic. He can tackle the returner at times . So he should be able to tackle the guy catching the ball. It is no diffrent making a Guard or Tackle play Center. When is that AHA moment going to kick in and the Staff realizes, A Center is a Center for a reason , and not "any ole O-line player will do"? If the O-line player's IQ is below 130. He should no be playing a position that requires a high degree of intellect. It is obvious by him missing his own assignments. He does not have the head for the job. You can't fix stupid. He is a good Guard and a deaccent Tackle. He proved he is not a center. Marc Colombo doesn't know this? I'm sure he used as a guide the Dallas Oline to determine the best players going forward. Amazing just how bad they were. I am sure he does. That doesn't suggest he can make a center out of a OT. If the center is bad . How can the rest of the line possibly be? Without a good center. There other 4 are just guys blocking not a unit.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 15, 2020 11:37:54 GMT -5
I though that the commentary was so bad last night. I was screaming for Saquon to go left on that play, and the announcers never even mentioned it. Oh yeah, and they kept blaming Thomas for Bud Dupree, when it was clear that the plan was to leave Dupree free as they ran to the other side. Unfortunately, Saquon doesn't like to move forward unless there is a huge hole, so Dupree was able to come down the entire line and drag him down from behind. In any event, certainly not Thomas' fault. I saw the same whole that Barkley missed...Leave it to Espn not to show the replay of a potentially big play negated by Barkley's poor vision Doesn't that assume ESPN or the viewers are actually qualified to make that determination? That seems extraordinarily unlikely.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 11:43:59 GMT -5
The Barkley smear campaign is in full force over here.He missed a few blitz pickups and dropped a couple passes. His online couldn’t open up a hole for him the whole game. Yet D.J. who I like btw , continues to make game altering mistakes and some here r saying it’s a process/ he’s young / he will make mistakes etc etc. Talk about a double standard. Keep that same energy for all players The problem is .,its a continuation from last season he is not a rookie,he is not a qb, it could be fans thought he was something he is not. No doubt can be great , but maybe not the everydown sort of back.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 15, 2020 11:55:23 GMT -5
I have a couple of problems with Barkley's game: (1) when he is facing a stacked line with no hole to be found, instead of putting his head down and running hard to get back to the line or even a short gain, he dances around way behind the LOS. Seems to turn a lot of 1 yard losses into 6 yard losses. (2) he is a liability on blitz pickup. At this point, teams realize that they need to send someone at him on 3rd down if he's in the game. That's a big problem. This. And a guy like Gallman who cuts once, falls forward, and is a good pass protector solves a lot of these issues. He can get the dirty yards. I don't understand why he isn't getting a fair shake with the Giants. He's gotta start doing the dirty work and stop just playing solely for the home run. He's becoming our Dave Kingman.
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Post by roundabout on Sept 15, 2020 11:56:58 GMT -5
I saw the whole that Barkley missed...Leave it to Espn not to show the replay of a potentially big play negated by Barkley's poor vision Doesn't that assume ESPN or the viewers are actually qualified to make that determination? That seems extraordinarily unlikely. It looked to me that there was a huge hole on the left side of the line and Barkley took it up the middle right into traffic. I was thinking with the struggles Barkley was having maybe one of the analysts would show the audience what Barkley may have missed..I for one would have liked to see the replay.They show replays all the time mistakes made by players so it didn't seem unlikely at all to myself
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Post by jmike on Sept 15, 2020 11:58:43 GMT -5
This was not one players fault but you have to admit that Barkley is apparently a one-dimensional player who needs a change of scenery. He runs superbly in space.But in small, short lived holes.. of average effectiveness. Responsive and effective blocks? No can do. Catching the ball with reliability? .. not with high enough consistency to cheer about. So.. All our opponents know we are making SB the centerpiece of our game plan so they shoot their load and demolish the run game. Then ALL WE HAVE IS A PASS GAME.. with few good receivers and a broken 'mini-tool' of a tight end. It is evident that mistakes were made a couple of years ago.. in drafting, FA signings of aging players, 'win-now' bs, etc. I think the solution is obvious but painful and one the front office will dread to make. Name me an NFL player who doesn’t run well in space? Barkley is a great player, one of the best at his position. But, he just does not fit into what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to build an identity with a young QB and star running back. This isn’t the early ‘90s Cowboys with Smith and the Great Wall. Our line has issues at every facet of the game. Pass blocking was ok last night though. Barkleys favorite player growing up was Barry Sanders. Unfortunately, he’s falling right into what Barry dealt with. A team that just does not know how to build a line for him. If we’re lucky we might have a decent line next year. If I’m Barkley that’s unacceptable.. If I am Barkley I start working on my vision and start moving as soon as I get the ball instead of looking around and not seeing the open hole anyway.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 15, 2020 12:03:11 GMT -5
Name me an NFL player who doesn’t run well in space? Barkley is a great player, one of the best at his position. But, he just does not fit into what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to build an identity with a young QB and star running back. This isn’t the early ‘90s Cowboys with Smith and the Great Wall. Our line has issues at every facet of the game. Pass blocking was ok last night though. Barkleys favorite player growing up was Barry Sanders. Unfortunately, he’s falling right into what Barry dealt with. A team that just does not know how to build a line for him. If we’re lucky we might have a decent line next year. If I’m Barkley that’s unacceptable.. If I am Barkley I start working on my vision and start moving as soon as I get the ball instead of looking around and not seeing the open hole anyway. If I’m Barkley I’m counting down the minutes when I can get the hell out of dodge.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 15, 2020 12:03:26 GMT -5
Doesn't that assume ESPN or the viewers are actually qualified to make that determination? That seems extraordinarily unlikely. It looked to me that there was a huge hole on the left side of the line and Barkley took it up the middle right into traffic. I was thinking with the struggles Barkley was having maybe one of the analysts would show the audience what Barkley may have missed..I for one would have liked to see the replay.They show replays all the time mistakes made by players so it didn't seem unlikely at all to myself Do you remember when the play was? I'd like to take a look on gamepads.
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Post by Dezzr on Sept 15, 2020 12:04:03 GMT -5
Barkley needs to work on 2 things imo, picking up the blitz and stop going airborne. Gonna give me a heart attack.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 15, 2020 12:08:25 GMT -5
Barkley needs to work on 2 things imo, picking up the blitz and stop going airborne. Gonna give me a heart attack. Yeah, I’ve seen enough of that. He forgets that he’s 234lbs. Lower your shoulder and hit someone. Showing your vertical leap is cool during the offseason, during live games is an injury waiting to happen. He’s lucky this isn’t the ‘80s. He pulls that shit once the very next play he has a helmet planted in his chest.
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Post by roundabout on Sept 15, 2020 12:08:36 GMT -5
It looked to me that there was a huge hole on the left side of the line and Barkley took it up the middle right into traffic. I was thinking with the struggles Barkley was having maybe one of the analysts would show the audience what Barkley may have missed..I for one would have liked to see the replay.They show replays all the time mistakes made by players so it didn't seem unlikely at all to myself Do you remember when the play was? I'd like to take a look on gamepads. I'm thinking sometime in the 3rd quarter but I could be wrong
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Post by SG88 on Sept 15, 2020 12:09:53 GMT -5
If there is one thing that Barkley needs to work on, it is taking what is given to him by the defense. It is perfectly fine to take a 3 or 4 yard run instead of trying to make it a 30 or 40-yard run when the odds are highly against that. As far as last night's game was concerned, the Steelers weren't giving him anything at all. The Steelers were not going to let Barkley beat them. I am pretty sure that those coaches were saying "stop 26 at all costs". The Steelers' defense is A to A+. Their front 7 is amongst the best in the business and they have Haden and Fitzpatrick in their secondary. I doubt that any running back will run for 100 yards on them when they play like that.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 12:11:39 GMT -5
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Post by SG88 on Sept 15, 2020 12:15:41 GMT -5
I like you Harooni, but there is no way I am opening that video. I'm honestly surprised that he still is both on the air and still employed after his stance on Prescott's issues with depression and anxiety.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 15, 2020 12:16:42 GMT -5
I don't want to hear about this style of running crap. Anyone who actually thinks Saquon is only a "dancer" never watched him in college, and didn't watch his rookie year. They also didn't watch guys like Barry Sanders, who absolutely looked for big plays to their detriment sometimes, didn't mean they can't run between the tackles. Saquon can run with tremendous power, and downhill. I will admit, he seems a little tentative right now, which also was a slight issue for him his rookie year early on. I trust this coaching staff to get it corrected. Last night was not on him. He was getting hit in the backfield on like over 50% of plays. The running game needs to get it together though. We need him to have the dynamic offense we want to have. On an related side note, I already like how Garrett is using him in the passing game vs. Shurmur. I think he lined up out of the backfield last night more than he did in all of 2019 under Shurm. The NFL Steelers are in NO WAY equivalent to the opponents that a runner faces as rookie in College. Dupree was unblocked whether by plan or accident, but regardless, SB got the hand off and accelerated too late so it didn't matter if the hole was there or not. DSJ Irrelevant to what I'm saying. It's not his inherent style, that's a misnomer. And fine, forget college...his rookie year, a non issue save for some plays in early games.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 12:18:00 GMT -5
I like you Harooni, but there is no way I am opening that video. I'm honestly surprised that he still is both on the air and still employed after his stance on Prescott's issues with depression and anxiety. lol, he makes a good point about Barkley being more of a home run guy and not the workhorse his thighs make ppl think he is.
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Post by jmike on Sept 15, 2020 12:23:09 GMT -5
I though that the commentary was so bad last night. I was screaming for Saquon to go left on that play, and the announcers never even mentioned it. Oh yeah, and they kept blaming Thomas for Bud Dupree, when it was clear that the plan was to leave Dupree free as they ran to the other side. Unfortunately, Saquon doesn't like to move forward unless there is a huge hole, so Dupree was able to come down the entire line and drag him down from behind. In any event, certainly not Thomas' fault. I saw the same whole that Barkley missed...Leave it to Espn not to show the replay of a potentially big play negated by Barkley's poor vision It wasn't the only one he missed, but it was the most obvious.
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Post by Dogecoin on Sept 15, 2020 12:23:53 GMT -5
His style of running will never consistently win games in the NFL I hope coaches don't feel the same way. Busting on barkley when steelers defenders were nearly heating him to the hand off is not the way to go. He's doing the right thing not openly busting on the line, but if coaches blame him when he's clear not the problem, thats the way to sew discontent and make him a problem, both on and off the field.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 15, 2020 12:39:48 GMT -5
Uhmmm yeah ok.. the offensive line looks horrific .. they were getting blown off the ball and he's getting hit 4 yards in the backfield .. but yes , barkley is the prob This is true. But there was a few plays that he had room and didn't do anything. One in particular when he had a large hole to his left created by Thomas and Hernandez with about 8 yards of open ground.....so he runs head first into Hernandez' ass like he is Mark Sanchez. Haha he's prob so used to getting hit 5 yards into the backfield that when he saw space he didn't recognize it and got scared .
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 12:41:34 GMT -5
His style of running will never consistently win games in the NFL I hope coaches don't feel the same way. Busting on barkley when steelers defenders were nearly heating him to the hand off is not the way to go. He's doing the right thing not openly busting on the line, but if coaches blame him when he's clear not the problem, thats the way to sew discontent and make him a problem, both on and off the field. barkley is a great talent however how many wins has it gotten us in 3 years?
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 15, 2020 12:42:46 GMT -5
Like other players, RBs develop a rhythm. It's hard to do that when you are constantly getting hit a fraction of a second after you get the ball.
I'm not saying he never misses holes or is perfect. But anyone who could watch last nights game and blame it on SB is crazy or just has an axe to grind. Just MO.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 12:51:08 GMT -5
Like other players, RBs develop a rhythm. It's hard to do that when you are constantly getting hit a fraction of a second after you get the ball. I'm not saying he never misses holes or is perfect. But anyone who could watch last nights game and blame it on SB is crazy or just has an axe to grind. Just MO. nah . sorry many blame it mostly on the oilne like in the past. Yes the line is partly to blame but jones didnt make it an excuse not to make plays. Barkley also whiffed on blocks and dropped balls. For some reason i think part of it is mental for him. This also happened after his injury last year for a few games.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 12:58:35 GMT -5
Like other players, RBs develop a rhythm. It's hard to do that when you are constantly getting hit a fraction of a second after you get the ball. I'm not saying he never misses holes or is perfect. But anyone who could watch last nights game and blame it on SB is crazy or just has an axe to grind. Just MO. nah . sorry many blame it all on the oilne like in the past. Yes the line is partly to blame but jones didnt make it an excuse not to make plays. Barkley also whiffed on blocks and dropped balls. For some reason i think part of it is mental for him. This also happened after his injury last year for a few games.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 15, 2020 13:04:51 GMT -5
I hope coaches don't feel the same way. Busting on barkley when steelers defenders were nearly heating him to the hand off is not the way to go. He's doing the right thing not openly busting on the line, but if coaches blame him when he's clear not the problem, thats the way to sew discontent and make him a problem, both on and off the field. barkley is a great talent however how many wins has it gotten us in 3 years? This is such a silly rebuttal to anything. Teams need to have collections of good players at varying tiers most likely, to win football games. The closest thing to one guy being able to win games is a QB (certainly has the most impact). Us not winning games has nothing to do with Saquon Barkley individually. We certainly have a better chance of winning games with him on the field than we do without him on the field. I also saw him almost put the team on his back a few times his rookie year, taking over some contests.
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Post by jmike on Sept 15, 2020 13:06:06 GMT -5
Like other players, RBs develop a rhythm. It's hard to do that when you are constantly getting hit a fraction of a second after you get the ball. I'm not saying he never misses holes or is perfect. But anyone who could watch last nights game and blame it on SB is crazy or just has an axe to grind. Just MO. There is a difference. Acknowledging the fact that some of his performance last night was his own inability to execute is not saying the loss was his fault. It wasn't. But the game likely would have been a win had the Giants had any semblance of a running game. Barkley was part of the running games failure. As was Garrett, the OL and the Steelers.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 13:09:42 GMT -5
barkley is a great talent however how many wins has it gotten us in 3 years? This is such a silly rebuttal to anything. Teams need to have collections of good players at varying tiers most likely, to win football games. The closest thing to one guy being able to win games is a QB (certainly has the most impact). Us not winning games has nothing to do with Saquon Barkley individually. We certainly have a better chance of winning games with him on the field than we do without him on the field. I also saw him almost put the team on his back a few times his rookie year, taking over some contests. iv seen rbs like AP and Gurley carry a team to many wins. Im not saying he is the reason for losing. I am saying he hasnt translated to many wins. So its hard to justify #2 pick and rookie qb money. Not saying he isnt good either.
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Post by jmike on Sept 15, 2020 13:13:01 GMT -5
barkley is a great talent however how many wins has it gotten us in 3 years? This is such a silly rebuttal to anything. Teams need to have collections of good players at varying tiers most likely, to win football games. The closest thing to one guy being able to win games is a QB (certainly has the most impact). Us not winning games has nothing to do with Saquon Barkley individually. We certainly have a better chance of winning games with him on the field than we do without him on the field. I also saw him almost put the team on his back a few times his rookie year, taking over some contests. Agreed. Wins and losses are never on a single player, to suggest otherwise is just silliness. Ironically Barkley is in a similar situation as Eli. He is currently expected to be the team's difference maker. Though just like Eli, he cannot do it without help from the rest of the team. This is not an excuse for all of their poor play, but will lead to the inconsistency in performance we see. No offense, no matter how great the rest of the players available, will perform without at least an adequate OL. With the OL it takes 5 players to perform well and only one to fail. I understand why they drafted Barkley and Jones; and quite happy with both players. Though ideally, you fix the OL first. That QB, RB, TE or WR, no matter how great, is of little value until the OL works.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 15, 2020 13:14:34 GMT -5
This. And a guy like Gallman who cuts once, falls forward, and is a good pass protector solves a lot of these issues. He can get the dirty yards. I don't understand why he isn't getting a fair shake with the Giants. He's gotta start doing the dirty work and stop just playing solely for the home run. He's becoming our Dave Kingman. Hard to do when your vision is generally poor. BUT he really didn't have any help yesterday. He'll have better days but IMO should not be resigned.
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Post by jmike on Sept 15, 2020 13:16:16 GMT -5
He's gotta start doing the dirty work and stop just playing solely for the home run. He's becoming our Dave Kingman. Hard to do when your vision is generally poor. BUT he really didn't have any help yesterday. He'll have better days but IMO should not be resigned. Usually not a sound investment to sign a RB after his rookie contract expires.
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