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Post by southerner on Sept 15, 2020 12:07:38 GMT -5
Here is my positive. Penei Sewell, OT from Oregon is a top 5 2021 draft candidate. This should be well within the Giants range as they figure to be picking near the top of Round 1. They should go C if a good one is available, IMO. Not if they are near the top....take the tackle. They can get a very good center in the 2nd round.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 12:26:05 GMT -5
going beyond the stats, for a while there it felt like a football team, not a confused mess, there was just a feeling of man we're playing a football game. that kinda fell apart there after the 19 play drive turnover, or thereabouts and the steelers warmed up and just imposed their experience on us, but for more than half the game, it wasnt a total mess, the secondary wasnt horrible for nearly 3 full quarters, the offense did a lot of good things (somewhat taken aback by the horrible oline work for the running game though). i think that feeling was lost a bit cause we just ran out of gas by the 4th quart.
i dont know, the good to me is they showed a hint of the organization, preparation and toughness.
remember too, we dont have anywhere near the roster pittsburgh or some of these other teams have on either side of the ball. we actually went toe to toe with them with a team made up halfway of kids.
i was really rooting for them to get that final TD too, i liked at least 16 points a lot more than ending up with 10. ill bet there are good teams that dont even get 16 points on that steelers D this year
i feel like with judge its now going to be a steady climb upwards.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 15, 2020 12:44:00 GMT -5
They should go C if a good one is available, IMO. Not if they are near the top....take the tackle. They can get a very good center in the 2nd round. Really? Than why is it we havent had one in years?
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 15, 2020 13:31:05 GMT -5
Not if they are near the top....take the tackle. They can get a very good center in the 2nd round. Really? Than why is it we havent had one in years? I guess there may be a team or two in the entire league that has a center taken in RD 1. But if there are any...the list is still very short.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 15, 2020 13:34:42 GMT -5
- Daniel Jones for the most part looked sharp throughout. Love his ball placement. - Jones and Slayton continue to build chemistry. That deep ball for a TD was beautiful. - Andrew Thomas held up really well. He will get better as the season goes. - Leonard Williams had a sack. - Blake Martinez actually looks really solid. Guy was everywhere. - Bradburry made a few nice plays. - For the first half, I thought Graham did a really good job confusing the Steelers offense, bringing pressure from all different places. - I thought for the most part, the team fought hard. Anything else? Watched the all-22 this morning. Specifically to watch Thomas Thomas was not only great in pass pro, but was great in the run game if you isolate just on him. Excellent sign
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 15, 2020 13:35:01 GMT -5
Really? Than why is it we havent had one in years? I guess there may be a team or two in the entire league that has a center taken in RD 1. But if there are any...the list is still very short. happy birthday!!!
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Post by McCherry on Sept 15, 2020 13:46:24 GMT -5
Martinez was good. Bradberry has a good game breaking up a couple deep passes and forcing a fumble. Leonard Williams was active all night.
Love struggled. He got run over on the TD before the half. Carter was ok but still too inconsistent. Ximines was a no-show.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 15, 2020 13:52:50 GMT -5
Another positive, I can’t see that being anything more than absolute rock bottom for Gates if they are sticking with him. The faith had to come from somewhere in him.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 13:55:20 GMT -5
Aside from the below there was much to like.... Jones' bad decision at the goal line Not getting 7 after the muffed punt Balletine getting fooled on the same play twice Gates' and Flemming's rough nite Barkely's rough night Engram's rough nite
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 13:57:00 GMT -5
- Daniel Jones for the most part looked sharp throughout. Love his ball placement. - Jones and Slayton continue to build chemistry. That deep ball for a TD was beautiful. - Andrew Thomas held up really well. He will get better as the season goes. - Leonard Williams had a sack. - Blake Martinez actually looks really solid. Guy was everywhere. - Bradburry made a few nice plays. - For the first half, I thought Graham did a really good job confusing the Steelers offense, bringing pressure from all different places. - I thought for the most part, the team fought hard. Anything else? Watched the all-22 this morning. Specifically to watch Thomas Thomas was not only great in pass pro, but was great in the run game if you isolate just on him. Excellent sign good to hear.....In The run game the oline was getting blown up from the inside out it seemed.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 14:00:40 GMT -5
I thought the secondary didn't really do that bad. A lot of it seemed like it was just inexperience. Rubs killed them think the DL played great allowed Martinez to be free to tackle and that he did many within yard of the LOS or behind it he ended with 12 tackles.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 14:04:57 GMT -5
going beyond the stats, for a while there it felt like a football team, not a confused mess, there was just a feeling of man we're playing a football game. that kinda fell apart there after the 19 play drive turnover, or thereabouts and the steelers warmed up and just imposed their experience on us, but for more than half the game, it wasnt a total mess, the secondary wasnt horrible for nearly 3 full quarters, the offense did a lot of good things (somewhat taken aback by the horrible oline work for the running game though). i think that feeling was lost a bit cause we just ran out of gas by the 4th quart. i dont know, the good to me is they showed a hint of the organization, preparation and toughness. remember too, we dont have anywhere near the roster pittsburgh or some of these other teams have on either side of the ball. we actually went toe to toe with them with a team made up halfway of kids. i was really rooting for them to get that final TD too, i liked at least 16 points a lot more than ending up with 10. ill bet there are good teams that dont even get 16 points on that steelers D this year i feel like with judge its now going to be a steady climb upwards. That was my preseason bar for success I expected a tough start with playing seasoned teams. and the no off season because we were relying on some rookies and young kids. That said my Bar is for them to be a much better team by the end of this season.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 15, 2020 14:14:04 GMT -5
Two huge hits where Jones didnt fumble. That was really good to see!! Huge positive right there.
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Post by yoho on Sept 15, 2020 14:20:51 GMT -5
The gloom and doomers are going to day "her we go, another year of lack of talent and piling up loses," and complain about play calling, etc. I was encouraged in that they came out and played hard and we're in the game for most of it against a solid veteran team. I think we have the teaching type of staff that will get these players to improve over the course of the season. This staff has not had these players long, and they haven't worked together as a team very long. This is a rebuild and will take some time. I have a feeling that near the end of the season, teams needing a win to make the playoffs are not going to want to play the Giants. This will be a season of growth!
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Post by lt56 on Sept 15, 2020 14:33:37 GMT -5
Lorenzo Carter stood out despite not getting a Sack on the Stat Sheets but he was a BEAST against the Run and got a lot of Pressure on Big Ben. Should've had a Sack but Dexter Lawrence cleaned it up after Big Ben broke Free from him. Like how they're using him so far he lines up everywhere, even at Middle Linebacker a few times and ran well in Coverage
James Bradberry was really good in Coverage with 2 PD's, 5 Tackles and a Force Fumble that we didn't recover
The Only Positives I seen last night...oh and Leonard Williams and the rest of the Defensive Line was very strong until the got tired worn out late in the game
Martinez looked more of a complete Linebacker than I expected so far, of course a Tackling Machine and a beast against the Run but Ran Up the field well in Coverage
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Post by lexington11 on Sept 15, 2020 14:49:20 GMT -5
- Daniel Jones for the most part looked sharp throughout. Love his ball placement. - Jones and Slayton continue to build chemistry. That deep ball for a TD was beautiful. - Andrew Thomas held up really well. He will get better as the season goes. - Leonard Williams had a sack. - Blake Martinez actually looks really solid. Guy was everywhere. - Bradburry made a few nice plays. - For the first half, I thought Graham did a really good job confusing the Steelers offense, bringing pressure from all different places. - I thought for the most part, the team fought hard. Anything else? yep, Leonard williams, takes a lot of crap, looked like a 1st rounder last night. A sack, 2 qb hits, 5 tackles, 2 for a loss, and was disruptive most of the night. Hope he builds on it.
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Post by lexington11 on Sept 15, 2020 14:50:15 GMT -5
Two huge hits where Jones didnt fumble. That was really good to see!! Huge positive right there. yes he had two hands on the ball.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 15, 2020 15:24:29 GMT -5
- Daniel Jones for the most part looked sharp throughout. Love his ball placement. - Jones and Slayton continue to build chemistry. That deep ball for a TD was beautiful. - Andrew Thomas held up really well. He will get better as the season goes. - Leonard Williams had a sack. - Blake Martinez actually looks really solid. Guy was everywhere. - Bradburry made a few nice plays. - For the first half, I thought Graham did a really good job confusing the Steelers offense, bringing pressure from all different places. - I thought for the most part, the team fought hard. Anything else? yep, Leonard williams, takes a lot of crap, looked like a 1st rounder last night. A sack, 2 qb hits, 5 tackles, 2 for a loss, and was disruptive most of the night. Hope he builds on it. This is what we traded for Him,Tomlinson amd Lawrence could be an incredible trio if they keep playing this way and growing, And look how it affects the back 7 Martinez making plays at the LOS and point of attack Allowed Carter to be very disruptive
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 15, 2020 15:35:18 GMT -5
Here is my positive. Penei Sewell, OT from Oregon is a top 5 2021 draft candidate. This should be well within the Giants range as they figure to be picking near the top of Round 1. They should go C if a good one is available, IMO. I'm wondering if there are any decent centers still out there on the market or who could be made available for the right deal, its too early to throw in the towel because our centers all suck...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 15:41:03 GMT -5
I know we've all been waiting years and we're now what, 3 years? into the gettleman era, but for all intents and purposes, im looking at this as year one. its a do-over. the joe judge era begins...
side note - i was just poking around on a steelers forum and while they were by and large respectful, and some even acknowledged decent play from jones, boy are the giants just a team they all expected to roll over like we were nothing. someone mentioned how tomlin said they sacrificed the pass defense to swarm barkley and it paid off. indeed it did
i cant wait for a time when we're a force to reckon with again, its been tough sucking this bad for so long, we re just a team for 'real' teams to smash through, ugh.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 15, 2020 16:05:17 GMT -5
DJ didnt fumble
Andrew Thomas looked better than expected, and i was a BIG fan of us drafting him.
Slayton looks like he could be our #1 WR
Ballentine looked better than I expected
Our DL looks like a force
Martinez was ALL OVER the field
I liked Garrett's play calling
Bradbury looked pretty good
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 15, 2020 18:25:38 GMT -5
Another positive, I can’t see that being anything more than absolute rock bottom for Gates if they are sticking with him. The faith had to come from somewhere in him. it was his first game ever at center. He should show improvement as he gains experience,,, at least we all hope that's going to be the case.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 18:30:06 GMT -5
Another positive, I can’t see that being anything more than absolute rock bottom for Gates if they are sticking with him. The faith had to come from somewhere in him. it was his first game ever at center. He should show improvement as he gains experience,,, at least we all hope that's going to be the case. You are more confident than I am . I doubt he has the head for the Job.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 15, 2020 20:12:00 GMT -5
it was his first game ever at center. He should show improvement as he gains experience,,, at least we all hope that's going to be the case. You are more confident than I am . I doubt he has the head for the Job. I cant judge (no pun intended) his head but I was as critical about the decision to start him as anyone. I get there are quards who have become decent centers, but starting one on an OL with 3 new players, zero preseason games, 3 years of OL dysfunction and vet opt outs seemed crazy. I would have started Pulley. If after reviewing this game they still really think he is the guy at C, I'm down with it. And at any other OL position. But I hope they know this OL BS cant happen for 5 games after the past few years. And it looks exactly like the OL BS the past 5 years.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 15, 2020 20:39:31 GMT -5
Not sure if this was a positive for a young offensive line, but did anyone find it very odd and weird that there were no hold penalties? Holding someone would mean they actually at one point had physical contact with someone so no, not surprised.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 6:25:03 GMT -5
You are more confident than I am . I doubt he has the head for the Job. I cant judge (no pun intended) his head but I was as critical about the decision to start him as anyone. I get there are quards who have become decent centers, but starting one on an OL with 3 new players, zero preseason games, 3 years of OL dysfunction and vet opt outs seemed crazy. I would have started Pulley. If after reviewing this game they still really think he is the guy at C, I'm down with it. And at any other OL position. But I hope they know this OL BS cant happen for 5 games after the past few years. And it looks exactly like the OL BS the past 5 years. I am also . My biggest problem with him is he kept making the same mistakes over and over. He either did not understand what he was seeing in the Defensive formation of failed to acknowledge it. Why I think it is an Intelligence issue. Not knocking him for it. He is a good guard and tackle. The Job demands a certain level of acuity that most O-linemen do not possess. I hope I am wrong and he was just overwhelmed by being a center for the first time.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 16, 2020 6:48:20 GMT -5
it was his first game ever at center. He should show improvement as he gains experience,,, at least we all hope that's going to be the case. You are more confident than I am . I doubt he has the head for the Job. yep, for now I am. I'm willing to see how he progresses over the next few games. Coaches now have very valuable game film to help develop him further.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 16, 2020 6:49:29 GMT -5
I cant judge (no pun intended) his head but I was as critical about the decision to start him as anyone. I get there are quards who have become decent centers, but starting one on an OL with 3 new players, zero preseason games, 3 years of OL dysfunction and vet opt outs seemed crazy. I would have started Pulley. If after reviewing this game they still really think he is the guy at C, I'm down with it. And at any other OL position. But I hope they know this OL BS cant happen for 5 games after the past few years. And it looks exactly like the OL BS the past 5 years. I am also . My biggest problem with him is he kept making the same mistakes over and over. He either did not understand what he was seeing in the Defensive formation of failed to acknowledge it. Why I think it is an Intelligence issue. Not knocking him for it. He is a good guard and tackle. The Job demands a certain level of acuity that most O-linemen do not possess. I hope I am wrong and he was just overwhelmed by being a center for the first time. This is what I'm thinking at this juncture in his transition. Lets see what a week of coaching does for him knowing the issues that he had week 1. They now have some very concrete things to work on.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 7:37:30 GMT -5
You are more confident than I am . I doubt he has the head for the Job. yep, for now I am. I'm willing to see how he progresses over the next few games. Coaches now have very valuable game film to help develop him further. We have not seen any coach on this team with the string of non-centers since Ohara be successful in that endeavor. The includes TC , Gilbride and Flaherty . All won 2 SBs and that is with Eli knowing how to call the protections. Since O'hara: Jim Cordle a true center (was fair) Dallas Reynolds Converted OT (fail) Winston Richburg a true center ( was stupid) Brett Jones Nothing more than a Backup 3 games as a starter in Minnesota . Benched and waved. Spencer Pulley a converted guard ( a backup as a starter. ) Jon Halapio a converted guard. These are just the guys that started. Not including the "lets see what this guy can do" I hope you are correct. History is against it. There is one commonality O'hara = good O-lines and it did no matter who played OT and OG Luke Petitgout Rich Seubert David Diehl Jason Whittle Bob Whitfield Rich Seubert Chris Snee Kareem McKenzie Kevin Boothe Adam Koets Will Beatty Shawn Andrews Mitch Petrus It did not matter who we put in there . The O-line was functional. We Have changed: The GM 4 HCs 5 OCs 5 O-line coaches We have changed OGs and OTs numerous times No matter what is done . The results have been exacting. What other conclusion can be drawn? When all other possibilities have been dismissed The only thing left is the truth.
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Post by Eazy E on Sept 16, 2020 8:07:26 GMT -5
You know what jumps out to me the most. The adjustment after the half and the Gmen methodically marching down the field taking up most of the 3rd quarter against what will be one of the NFLs best defenses who were out to pummel the offense. I saw defensive players gassed on the 17th or 18th play. The 19th play didnt end well, but damn when was the last time a Giants team did that to a top 5 defense after halftime. That was normally 3 and out city in recent past.
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