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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 8:53:05 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 8:58:01 GMT -5
this has been talked about since before SB was drafted by the NYGs Nothing to do know except make it work
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Post by McCherry on Sept 16, 2020 9:02:08 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. That's completely not true. What he said was that he wasn't to settle for the bad trade offers he had been receiving for the #2 pick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:06:24 GMT -5
this has been talked about since before SB was drafted by the NYGs Nothing to do know except make it work This is not really telling me he was listening to all offers. For starters, he pointed out that Barkley was "touched by God" and that he was the best player in the draft. He would have gotten the pick in within two seconds except he had to wait. "We all had such a conviction on this kid that at the end of the day ... the only reason that pick wasn't in at 9:58 was because we had to wait until the five-minute mark," Gettleman said. "Otherwise it would have been in."
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2020 9:12:33 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. Elliot helps the Cowboys a ton but they have a team I would take the trade to but that is hind sight if we drafted Darnold or Mayfield this board would be going nuts. It's a team game when you get chance to draft a skill guy whom could be the best at his position for years to come you take it. Barkely as far as TDs and Yards has out performed some of the top WRs in game he and Jones need help and Slayton looks like he can be that. I would take the trade but I'm not gonna complain about drafting an elite talent. I wanna see what this year brings with Garret and this OL. Were we winning with OBJ no because you need to play defense and run the ball if this OL grows up and is solid this team is gonna win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:12:34 GMT -5
this has been talked about since before SB was drafted by the NYGs Nothing to do know except make it work Yup. Absolutely. The thing is after this season do we give him a mega contract which I am sure he will want
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 16, 2020 9:16:43 GMT -5
what good is having the best runner in the draft if you can't give him holes to run through, and we're seeing the result of that . I questioned the Barkley pick at the time and we're seeing the results of that pick now. Don't misunderstand me, I love Barkley's talent but its being wasted on a team that simply can't block well enough to benefit from that talent..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:17:10 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. Elliot helps the Cowboys a ton but they have a team I would take the trade to but that is hind sight if we drafted Darnold or Mayfield this board would be going nuts. It's a team game when you get chance to draft a skill guy whom could be the best at his position for years to come you take it. Barkely as far as TDs and Yards has out performed some of the top WRs in game he and Jones need help and Slayton looks like he can be that. I would take the trade but I'm not gonna complain about drafting an elite talent. I wanna see what this year brings with Garret and this OL. Were we winning with OBJ no because you need to play defense and run the ball if this OL grows up and is solid this team is gonna win. I get they help their teams. Especially Mccaffrey but it’s not a one player game other then QB Last years record with Elite Running Backs Mccaffrey, Panthers. 5 Wins Elliot, Dallas. 8 wins Barkley 4 wins Again I don’t know what we could have gotten for that pick so it’s just talk of what could have beens
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 9:17:42 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. Who would you have picked? Anything not rated as the #2 on your board is in essence a self imposed moving down in the draft.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:18:13 GMT -5
what good is having the best runner in the draft if you can't give him holes to run through, and we're seeing the result of that right now. I questioned the Barkley pick at the time and we're seeing the results of that pick now. Don't misunderstand me, I love Barkley's talent but its being wasted on a team that simply can't block well enough to benefit form that talent.. 100 percent what I am saying
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Post by thetruth on Sept 16, 2020 9:19:31 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. RB's are a very dependent position. Bradshaw and Jacobs had a much easier time than Barkley getting to the second level because they had a great OL. I would argue that SB has a larger dependency on his OL than someone like McCaffery or Chubb, why? vision. Along with pass pro SB lacks in this regard and its amplified by a poor OL. The Colts traded back from #3 to #6 and picked up three additional draft picks that year. Hard to imagine Gettlemen not receiving this offer plus something extra(a second the following year?). Colts pulled out 2 OL starters in their top 4 picks this year. Food for thought. If you're taking a RB trade down. Thats just not something DG believes in so it is what it is.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2020 9:20:24 GMT -5
this has been talked about since before SB was drafted by the NYGs Nothing to do know except make it work This is not really telling me he was listening to all offers. For starters, he pointed out that Barkley was "touched by God" and that he was the best player in the draft. He would have gotten the pick in within two seconds except he had to wait. "We all had such a conviction on this kid that at the end of the day ... the only reason that pick wasn't in at 9:58 was because we had to wait until the five-minute mark," Gettleman said. "Otherwise it would have been in." In the end this pick isn't why this team is struggling a trade would have been excellent. This team is working their way out of 8 year draft drought and the rebuilding of the front office and salary cap this is year 3 with 0 off season. It's not like were in year 5 of a 4 year rebuild, in hindsight there are always things that could have been done better but the players we are drafting are good and some are much more then good. As I said before me included most of this board would have drafted Mayfield or Darnold right now that isn't looking to good they both can get it going we already got 3400 yards and I think 17 TDs from our pick and he is a solid citizen and captain of the team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:23:44 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. Who would you have picked? Anything not rated as the #2 on your board is in essence a self imposed moving down in the draft. Well it’s hard to see what offers were on the table. Trading the pick for more picks would have probably have been the best way to go. Especially with a rebuilding team Buffalo or Miami might have wanted to give us a nice package to move up. Dropping way back and grabbing Leighton Vander Esch while stacking some more 2nd and 3rd picks. I don’t know or could even know because I don’t know the offers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:29:06 GMT -5
This is not really telling me he was listening to all offers. For starters, he pointed out that Barkley was "touched by God" and that he was the best player in the draft. He would have gotten the pick in within two seconds except he had to wait. "We all had such a conviction on this kid that at the end of the day ... the only reason that pick wasn't in at 9:58 was because we had to wait until the five-minute mark," Gettleman said. "Otherwise it would have been in." In the end this pick isn't why this team is struggling a trade would have been excellent. This team is working their way out of 8 year draft drought and the rebuilding of the front office and salary cap this is year 3 with 0 off season. It's not like were in year 5 of a 4 year rebuild, in hindsight there are always things that could have been done better but the players we are drafting are good and some are much more then good. As I said before me included most of this board would have drafted Mayfield or Darnold right now that isn't looking to good they both can get it going we already got 3400 yards and I think 17 TDs from our pick and he is a solid citizen and captain of the team. It kinda is the reason although maybe indirectly. We could have traded back and grabbed a bunch of more players. Dropping back and getting Quentin Nelson, Minkah or Leighton Vander Esch plus more draft picks would help us this year more then Barkley does.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 16, 2020 9:30:24 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. That's completely not true. What he said was that he wasn't to settle for the bad trade offers he had been receiving for the #2 pick. He said he listened to a few offers, and one was a very reasonable offer (I think it was Den to jump the Jets for Darnold), but he liked Barkley too much. And when the draft started and we were on the clock, he decided not to pursue any of it. He didnt want to take the phone calls because he had his mind set. Thats pretty much what he said.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 16, 2020 9:32:56 GMT -5
That said, hindsight, we should have traded back for Nelson. Our team would be in a much better situation had we done that.
At the time I wanted to trade back too. But if not, I liked Chubb, Nelson, Rosen. (with Mayfield gone) The trenches and the QB. I liked Rosen over Darnold.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 9:33:32 GMT -5
this has been talked about since before SB was drafted by the NYGs Nothing to do know except make it work Yup. Absolutely. The thing is after this season do we give him a mega contract which I am sure he will want TBH...I wouldnt.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 9:34:23 GMT -5
Who would you have picked? Anything not rated as the #2 on your board is in essence a self imposed moving down in the draft. Well it’s hard to see what offers were on the table. Trading the pick for more picks would have probably have been the best way to go. Especially with a rebuilding team Buffalo or Miami might have wanted to give us a nice package to move up. Dropping way back and grabbing Leighton Vander Esch while stacking some more 2nd and 3rd picks. I don’t know or could even know because I don’t know the offers. If you can not answer that fundament question. How can your logic on it was a mistake be sound? You do understand you have to take the best play on your board that is available at the time of the pick?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 16, 2020 9:35:32 GMT -5
Yup. Absolutely. The thing is after this season do we give him a mega contract which I am sure he will want TBH...I wouldnt. We would be stupid to. Cant invest that much money in such a unimportant position while trying to rebuild.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 9:35:45 GMT -5
That said, hindsight, we should have traded back for Nelson. Our team would be in a much better situation had we done that. At the time I wanted to trade back too. But if not, I liked Chubb, Nelson, Rosen. (with Mayfield gone) The trenches and the QB. I liked Rosen over Darnold. To who and for what?
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 16, 2020 9:37:10 GMT -5
There were reports that the Broncos offered the number 5 pick and a first round pick the following year for our number 2 pick. (I have posted the reports numerous times on here).
No way to know if that's true at this point, but if that was turned down it was a mistake IMO
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Post by theproblem on Sept 16, 2020 9:38:05 GMT -5
So one thing that I think that you're not considering is what value Saquon brings Daniel Jones. Yes, Saquon wasn't able to do anything on the ground, but if you listen to what Tomlin said after the game, the whole focus of the defense was to stop Barkley, even if it meant putting exposing their secondary.
Now think about that. Think about what that means for a young QB still developing. He's working with an advantage because the defense is so hell bent on not letting Barkley beat them. The TD to Slayton is a result of that. What other player in that draft was as a sure shot of giving us that type of advantage? Think about it? I know a lot of you would say Q. Nelson, but his singular affect would have been to provide protection in one singular instance. Yes, he would have provided protection and run blocking ability, but opposing defenses wouldn't be going as far as to completely scheming their plan of attack around him. Barkley was as close to a sure thing in the first round then anyone else available that could provide such a huge benefit.
I wouldn't change the pick because in the long run it's going to help DJ become better and once the blocking issues are sorted, opposing defenses are going to be screwed because if you gameplan to stop one, the other is going to pick you apart or run wild. Pick your poison, either way you're screwed.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 16, 2020 9:38:27 GMT -5
That said, hindsight, we should have traded back for Nelson. Our team would be in a much better situation had we done that. At the time I wanted to trade back too. But if not, I liked Chubb, Nelson, Rosen. (with Mayfield gone) The trenches and the QB. I liked Rosen over Darnold. I was a Darnold guy … not looking like a good call at this point
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 16, 2020 9:38:38 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. Who would you have picked? Anything not rated as the #2 on your board is in essence a self imposed moving down in the draft. Well speaking for myself I can say that I'm not an NFL GM. I only play one on the internet. Having said that to me it's really a matter of philosophy. Do you pick a RB with the 2nd pick in the draft. By definition, the team is bad. I think we've seen in today's NFL that it's a poor idea without a decent O line. Plus we've seen so many great RB's who come from later rounds. There are certain positions that have to be focused on with a pick that high. QB, LT, Pass rusher, cover corner. Those are the most impactful positions on the field.
So who SHOULD they have picked? We don't have access to the scouting, so really none of us can say. I thought when we traded JPP, Bradley Chubb came into play. But we can certainly agree that over the first two+ seasons......Saquan isn't helping us win. As a matter of fact we won two games last year with him on the sidelines.
It's just the nature of today's NFL.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 16, 2020 9:39:28 GMT -5
That said, hindsight, we should have traded back for Nelson. Our team would be in a much better situation had we done that. At the time I wanted to trade back too. But if not, I liked Chubb, Nelson, Rosen. (with Mayfield gone) The trenches and the QB. I liked Rosen over Darnold. To who and for what? As I said, I believe Den wanted Darnold bad, and the Jets were in the way.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 16, 2020 9:42:15 GMT -5
So one thing that I think that you're not considering is what value Saquon brings Daniel Jones. Yes, Saquon wasn't able to do anything on the ground, but if you listen to what Tomlin said after the game, the whole focus of the defense was to stop Barkley, even if it meant putting exposing their secondary. Now think about that. Think about what that means for a young QB still developing. He's working with an advantage because the defense is so hell bent on not letting Barkley beat them. The TD to Slayton is a result of that. What other player in that draft was as a sure shot of giving us that type of advantage? Think about it? I know a lot of you would say Q. Nelson, but his singular affect would have been to provide protection in one singular instance. Yes, he would have provided protection and run blocking ability, but opposing defenses wouldn't be going as far as to completely scheming their plan of attack around him. Barkley was as close to a sure thing in the first round then anyone else available that could provide such a huge benefit. I wouldn't change the pick because in the long run it's going to help DJ become better and once the blocking issues are sorted, opposing defenses are going to be screwed because if you gameplan to stop one, the other is going to pick you apart or run wild. Pick your poison, either way you're screwed. There is no question a good RB will help the QB in that way. The problem is, he isnt helping the W column. Drafting Nelson would have helped a young QB too. And a RB.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 9:42:58 GMT -5
As I said, I believe Den wanted Darnold bad, and the Jets were in the way. but it is unknow what Elway was willing to offer.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 9:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 16, 2020 9:49:52 GMT -5
As I said, I believe Den wanted Darnold bad, and the Jets were in the way. but it is unknow what Elway was willing to offer. Absolutely. Def not concrete. Im just adding the pieces of everything. DG said that he had one legit offer on the table. My gut says it was Den, along with everything I read at the time. It would at the very least be the #5 in 2018 and 2019s #1 pick. I would think there would be some fluff too since they wanted a coveted QB. All my educated guessing though. But the fact is, there was 1 legit offer on the table.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2020 9:51:44 GMT -5
In the end this pick isn't why this team is struggling a trade would have been excellent. This team is working their way out of 8 year draft drought and the rebuilding of the front office and salary cap this is year 3 with 0 off season. It's not like were in year 5 of a 4 year rebuild, in hindsight there are always things that could have been done better but the players we are drafting are good and some are much more then good. As I said before me included most of this board would have drafted Mayfield or Darnold right now that isn't looking to good they both can get it going we already got 3400 yards and I think 17 TDs from our pick and he is a solid citizen and captain of the team. It kinda is the reason although maybe indirectly. We could have traded back and grabbed a bunch of more players. Dropping back and getting Quentin Nelson, Minkah or Leighton Vander Esch plus more draft picks would help us this year more then Barkley does. I agree I would have taken Nelson quick. For me it is all hind sight you get a great player be happy could we have done better maybe. I focus more on the fact that in the 2 drafts that he ran from beginning to end we had double digit picks and have gotten some good players our QB looks as good or better then the vaunted 2018 class our OL played bad but there is finally promise our DL is gonna be one of the better ones in the league. just feel like finally we might be going in the right direction I do wish we didn't lose McKinney.
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