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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 11:36:07 GMT -5
We had so many positions of need that my choice would have been to trade out Again to who? Broncos, Colts, Dolphins.....anyone before the Cowboys
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 11:39:30 GMT -5
That's completely not true. What he said was that he wasn't to settle for the bad trade offers he had been receiving for the #2 pick. Bullshit. It was reported that once Mayfield was drafted he refused to answer any calls on the 2nd pick. It was Barkley or bust.. Gettleman is an old school guy. He believes in running the ball and stopping the run. If a great back is available, he’s going to draft him. See Christian McCaffrey and Saquon Barkley. Both drafted by Gettleman. I want to nip this in the bud once and for all. What were these we want the #2 pick GMs doing for the 100 Days between the SB and the Draft? Were they waiting for the last 15 minuets before they were set to pounce? That whole he would not take any call is the reason he did not make a trade is flawed. I am 100% sure the Eli / Rivers deal was hashed out way before draft day. So why did any of these "callers" chose not to work out a deal before draft day if they wanted a QB so bad. Ponder that.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 16, 2020 11:40:23 GMT -5
Broncos, Colts, Dolphins.....anyone before the Cowboys "People call you and they want the second pick of the draft for a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog," Gettleman explained during his press conference. Are hot dogs and pretzels what you wanted for the second pick?
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 11:40:28 GMT -5
Broncos, Colts, Dolphins.....anyone before the Cowboys What was this quality deal? This phantom golden egg for the pick?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 11:41:26 GMT -5
Broncos, Colts, Dolphins.....anyone before the Cowboys What was this quality deal? This phantom golden egg for the pick? That unfortunately we’ll never know
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 11:42:56 GMT -5
What was this quality deal? This phantom golden egg for the pick? That unfortunately we’ll never know Why your entire argument is based on flawed logic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 11:44:50 GMT -5
That unfortunately we’ll never know Why your entire argument is based on flawed logic. It really wasn’t an argument more of a speculation
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Post by mj312 on Sept 16, 2020 11:48:02 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. On most teams having a guy like barkley would absolutely help teams win just as Elliot and McCaffrey have definitely helped their teams get wins. We can't just keep trading away good players because the giants suck so bad ..at the time barkley was the right move .. at this point I don't want gettleman having anything to do with anymore trades .. we traded Beckham for 3 players and we still can't win.. it shows you just how bad this team has been .
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 16, 2020 11:51:36 GMT -5
It's an old argument to be sure, but if Tiki Barber is right and he isn't an every down back, then it definitely was the wrong pick. I've made no secret that I didn't like the pick, to me it was like putting Pat Day (for you horse racing fans) on a mule and expecting him to win the Derby. So many people ask who should we have picked, like there weren't any other options lol. I actually liked Bradley Chubb, or trade back for additional picks, maybe grab both McGlinchey and Nelson, shore up that OL a bit 2 years ago. Maybe even Roquan Smith...all positions of need. These were options we could have chosen.
Tiki knows of what he speaks because it took him a few years to become a great back, and there are some similarities that I see to their games.
As Tiki said, Saquon is a big guy who doesn't like to hit people or get hit. I see that as the reason he's not effective running between the tackles.
I understand the blocking sucks, but Saquon loses more yardage by attempting to avoid contact rather than getting the most he can more times than not. And of course he's not great protecting the QB as well.
The ability to turn a play into a long gain is nice and very exciting to watch, but just like Odell, that doesn't win ball games. We need players who can consistently move the sticks and not kill drives.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 16, 2020 11:52:15 GMT -5
That unfortunately we’ll never know Why your entire argument is based on flawed logic. Tell me where I'm wrong here.....
Here is what we've learned. It doesn't matter if your RB is "touched by the hand of God" if you can't block for him. Right? Didn't we see that on Monday? If you CAN run block, then a guy like Raheem Mostert can torch you.
So this being true, why did we spend all that draft capital on a RB?...When an undrafted free agent, journeyman ST player can succeed?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 16, 2020 11:53:18 GMT -5
What was this quality deal? This phantom golden egg for the pick? That unfortunately we’ll never know We kinda do know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 11:54:52 GMT -5
I admittedly loved the Saquon Pick. Even at number 2. That being said and 3 years later it was a dumb move to not try and trade that pick for a Kings Randsom. Again I don’t know if any team wanted to move up to our #2 spot but Gettleman admitted he wasn’t even going to listen to any offers or pick up the phone. Going forward in life I would never pick a RB in the first round unless my team was stacked and it was a luxury pick. 3 Amazing Running Backs. Barkley, Elliot and Mccaffrey. No one questions their talent but they do not help their respective teams get wins. On most teams having a guy like barkley would absolutely help teams win just as Elliot and McCaffrey have definitely helped their teams get wins. We can't just keep trading away good players because the giants suck so bad ..at the time barkley was the right move .. at this point I don't want gettleman having anything to do with anymore trades .. we traded Beckham for 3 players and we still can't win.. it shows you just how bad this team has been . I didn’t suggest trading Barkely at all. Ride him for all he is worth this season. I wouldn’t make him the highest paid RB after this season though. Panthers went 5-11 last year and Cowboys 8-8. 2 of the best Running backs
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 11:55:12 GMT -5
Why your entire argument is based on flawed logic. Tell me where I'm wrong here.....
Here is what we've learned. It doesn't matter if your RB is "touched by the hand of God" if you can't block for him. Right? Didn't we see that on Monday? If you CAN run block, then a guy like Raheem Mostert can torch you.
So this being true, why did we spend all that draft capital on a RB?...When an undrafted free agent, journeyman ST player can succeed?
It is because you are using after the fact fandom insight.
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Post by lt56 on Sept 16, 2020 12:07:31 GMT -5
No regrets I like Barkley and once the Offensive Line get their stuff together he will start to break big runs again
With that being said YES drafting RB's high in the draft is a waste!
DG is out if no improvement this season
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Post by thetruth on Sept 16, 2020 13:05:28 GMT -5
Broncos, Colts, Dolphins.....anyone before the Cowboys Colts got a heck of a deal to move back 3 spots. I love how some of DG's stans really think something similar (with added incentives) wasn't offered to the Giants (3 second round picks all EARLY) along with moving back just 3 spots to #6. We've seen in the past that teams moving up for a QB will do just about anything. DG doesn't move back and takes a RB that we're not resigning. Genius!
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Post by thetruth on Sept 16, 2020 13:10:47 GMT -5
but it is unknow what Elway was willing to offer. Absolutely. Def not concrete. Im just adding the pieces of everything. DG said that he had one legit offer on the table. My gut says it was Den, along with everything I read at the time. It would at the very least be the #5 in 2018 and 2019s #1 pick. I would think there would be some fluff too since they wanted a coveted QB. All my educated guessing though. But the fact is, there was 1 legit offer on the table. Ben Allbright had confirmed as much as he's on the Broncos beat. The entire league knew DG wanted to stay put and draft Saquon. There was literally no doubt.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 16, 2020 13:16:57 GMT -5
On most teams having a guy like barkley would absolutely help teams win just as Elliot and McCaffrey have definitely helped their teams get wins. We can't just keep trading away good players because the giants suck so bad ..at the time barkley was the right move .. at this point I don't want gettleman having anything to do with anymore trades .. we traded Beckham for 3 players and we still can't win.. it shows you just how bad this team has been . I didn’t suggest trading Barkely at all. Ride him for all he is worth this season. I wouldn’t make him the highest paid RB after this season though. Panthers went 5-11 last year and Cowboys 8-8. 2 of the best Running backs Yeah I know you didn't suggest trading him but I've seen others suggest it .. I agree that there's no way he can be the highest paid RB next year because his production isn't there .. however that's on the line once again .. one good player will not alone win you games however the games you do win that player will be a huge part of it .. there are no doubts that the results of Carolina and Dallas are a direct reflection of how both of those guys do .. at the time we drafted barkley do u remember how many times the years prior Jennings got tackled by a shoe lace or got caught from behind ? The quickest way to help this team was too have a dynamic running back , coupled next to a dynamic receiver ( Beckham) over the last few years the Giants have had horrible coaching , coupled with crappy players .. the line has actually gone from bad to abysmil . We keep dumping resources into the line and they are misses .. trading Beckham also didn't help barkley because these defenses fear nobody and just crowd the box .. when u start to think about Barkley getting 16 yards in a whole game it's pathetic .. I know the Steelers are tough but come on.. our lineman are NFL players .. to get manhandled like that is just sad . It feels like the twilight zone where year in year out it's the same old crap over and over and over .. different players , same results
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 16, 2020 13:21:18 GMT -5
Broncos, Colts, Dolphins.....anyone before the Cowboys Colts got a heck of a deal to move back 3 spots. I love how some of DG's stans really think something similar (with added incentives) wasn't offered to the Giants (3 second round picks all EARLY) along with moving back just 3 spots to #6. We've seen in the past that teams moving up for a QB will do just about anything. DG doesn't move back and takes a RB that we're not resigning. Genius!
You know something we don't or are you just getting ahead of yourself?
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Post by thetruth on Sept 16, 2020 13:39:57 GMT -5
Colts got a heck of a deal to move back 3 spots. I love how some of DG's stans really think something similar (with added incentives) wasn't offered to the Giants (3 second round picks all EARLY) along with moving back just 3 spots to #6. We've seen in the past that teams moving up for a QB will do just about anything. DG doesn't move back and takes a RB that we're not resigning. Genius!
You know something we don't or are you just getting ahead of yourself?
Its an expectation. Based mainly around DG getting fired and the fact that most teams regret paying RB tons of $ But if DG somehow avoids getting fired this off-season I full expect him to make Saquon the highest paid RB in history.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 16, 2020 13:42:08 GMT -5
If the Giants don't go at least 8-8 and Saquon doesn't get 1000 yards Gettleman is gone and the new GM will probably trade Barkley.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 16, 2020 14:00:59 GMT -5
If the Giants don't go at least 8-8 and Saquon doesn't get 1000 yards Gettleman is gone and the new GM will probably trade Barkley. Highly doubtful. People need to relax it's one game this season.In my opinion no one gets canned this year. Saquon may not get traded but Gettleman will certainly be fired if not at least a marked improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 14:11:43 GMT -5
If the Giants don't go at least 8-8 and Saquon doesn't get 1000 yards Gettleman is gone and the new GM will probably trade Barkley. Highly doubtful. People need to relax it's one game this season.In my opinion no one gets canned this year. It really depends on our record. If we go 2-14 would you still feel DG is safe?
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 16, 2020 14:18:53 GMT -5
I still predict a decent season; tough first half and better the 2nd. Maybe go 7-9 or 8-8.
If that's the case Gettleman stays. Mara will say it's moving in the right direction.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 14:20:20 GMT -5
Highly doubtful. People need to relax it's one game this season.In my opinion no one gets canned this year. It really depends on our record. If we go 2-14 would you still feel DG is safe? Do you think Judge would be ok with that? A 2-14, 3-13, 5-11 HC is a Lame Duck with a new GM. The next GM may have a diffrent view on the direction of the team than JJ wants to go in . With a 2-14 .... 5-11 record the HC has little amo to tell the GM what he wants. If I am Joe Judge I claimer for the owner to keep Dave,. Just on the fact they are both on the same page on the direction of the team. Right now it is symbiotic. It may not be with a change.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 16, 2020 14:45:52 GMT -5
If the Giants don't go at least 8-8 and Saquon doesn't get 1000 yards Gettleman is gone and the new GM will probably trade Barkley. Highly doubtful. People need to relax it's one game this season.In my opinion no one gets canned this year. I don't know Red, Dave suggested himself that he almost got fired after last season. He told the media that he was told what he was doing wasn't good enough and we needed to see big improvement. Logic suggests that if we have another 4 or 5 win season, John Mara will move on from Dave. No one can know of course as it's John Mara's decision. But it reasonable to suggest he's on thin ice based on what Dave and John Mara have said publicly.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 15:14:27 GMT -5
Highly doubtful. People need to relax it's one game this season.In my opinion no one gets canned this year. I don't know Red, Dave suggested himself that he almost got fired after last season. He told the media that he was told what he was doing wasn't good enough and we needed to see big improvement. Logic suggests that if we have another 4 or 5 win season, John Mara will move on from Dave. No one can know of course as it's John Mara's decision. But it reasonable to suggest he's on thin ice based on what Dave and John Mara have said publicly.
Mind you all this came out before Covid-19 putting this team behind the 8 ball with having to do everything they normally do from April through June in August while also trying to get ready f0r a season To me the story about him is how the team looks in December more than final record
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Post by southerner on Sept 16, 2020 15:19:32 GMT -5
I don't know Red, Dave suggested himself that he almost got fired after last season. He told the media that he was told what he was doing wasn't good enough and we needed to see big improvement. Logic suggests that if we have another 4 or 5 win season, John Mara will move on from Dave. No one can know of course as it's John Mara's decision. But it reasonable to suggest he's on thin ice based on what Dave and John Mara have said publicly.
Mind you all this came out before Covid-19 putting this team behind the 8 ball with having to do everything they normally do from April through June in August while also trying to get ready f0r a season To me the story about him is how the team looks in December more than final record You are what your record says you are - Bill Parcells
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 16, 2020 15:34:34 GMT -5
this has been talked about since before SB was drafted by the NYGs Nothing to do know except make it work Yup. Absolutely. The thing is after this season do we give him a mega contract which I am sure he will want He is a good runner and could be great on another team. But he should be traded for draft picks while we can salvage some value from the mistake.To give him an extension is a foolish, face-saving effort... and is like doubling down on the original error.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 16, 2020 15:37:01 GMT -5
I don't know Red, Dave suggested himself that he almost got fired after last season. He told the media that he was told what he was doing wasn't good enough and we needed to see big improvement. Logic suggests that if we have another 4 or 5 win season, John Mara will move on from Dave. No one can know of course as it's John Mara's decision. But it reasonable to suggest he's on thin ice based on what Dave and John Mara have said publicly.
Mind you all this came out before Covid-19 putting this team behind the 8 ball with having to do everything they normally do from April through June in August while also trying to get ready f0r a season To me the story about him is how the team looks in December more than final record I don't buy the Covid excuse. The "Washington Football Team" had no problem with a new system and new coaches. They killed it week 1.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 16, 2020 15:38:41 GMT -5
That's completely not true. What he said was that he wasn't to settle for the bad trade offers he had been receiving for the #2 pick. He said he listened to a few offers, and one was a very reasonable offer (I think it was Den to jump the Jets for Darnold), but he liked Barkley too much. And when the draft started and we were on the clock, he decided not to pursue any of it. He didnt want to take the phone calls because he had his mind set. Thats pretty much what he said. here is my problem with DG picking Barkley, he was a shiny hood ornament on a 32 Chevy, a draft pick that could have been put to far better use...
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