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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:50:49 GMT -5
I know there were two GM’s who contributed here but let’s go back to 2010 and evaluate our first round picks and if they were worth it.
2010 JPP. Yes Absolutely Great Pick. 2011 Prince Amukamara Never reached his potential 2012 David Wilson. ( freak Injury) 2013 Pugh. Never turned into a dominant Tackle 2014 Odell. ( plenty of posts about this), you can’t deny probably the best WR we ever had 2015 Flowers. 🤢 🤮 2016 Eli Apple 🤮 2017 Engram. Often injured and hasn’t come close to his expected talent 2018 Barkley. Should have traded out of this pick 2019 Jones. Finally, Since JPP We have a quality Pick 2019 Lawrence. Love this guy. 2019 Baker. 🤮 🤮 🤮 2020 Thomas. Highly Needed Pick who will hopefully anchor down the left side for a decade
That being said we have missed and missed big on so many first round picks.
In 10 years the only ones I really label as Amazing are JPP, Jones and it’s way to early to evaluate but Thomas. (Maybe Lawrence). I am torn to justify his draft position to how much he impacts the game.
This is a huge reason we have such a lack of playmakers. First round picks are supposed to supposed to come in and have immediate impacts. Not only that they are supposed to stay on the team.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2020 10:32:33 GMT -5
I know there were two GM’s who contributed here but let’s go back to 2010 and evaluate our first round picks and if they were worth it. 2010 JPP. Yes Absolutely Great Pick. 2011 Prince Amukamara Never reached his potential 2012 David Wilson. ( freak Injury) 2013 Pugh. Never turned into a dominant Tackle 2014 Odell. ( plenty of posts about this), you can’t deny probably the best WR we ever had 2015 Flowers. 🤢 🤮 2016 Eli Apple 🤮 2017 Engram. Often injured and hasn’t come close to his expected talent 2018 Barkley. Should have traded out of this pick 2019 Jones. Finally, Since JPP We have a quality Pick 2019 Lawrence. Love this guy. 2019 Baker. 🤮 🤮 🤮 2020 Thomas. Highly Needed Pick who will hopefully anchor down the left side for a decade That being said we have missed and missed big on so many first round picks. In 10 years the only ones I really label as Amazing are JPP, Jones and it’s way to early to evaluate but Thomas. (Maybe Lawrence). I am torn to justify his draft position to how much he impacts the game. This is a huge reason we have such a lack of playmakers. First round picks are supposed to supposed to come in and have immediate impacts. Not only that they are supposed to stay on the team. and when you look at 2010 through 2017 they were pretty bad on 2nd through the mid rounds there are some drafts in there that were complete busts no players getting second contracts That is what were recovering from. Lawrence was I believe around top 15 as an interior line men as a rookie he was worth it monday night he had a sack and a great stop on a screen behind the LOS he eats up blocks makes tackles him and Williams will be fun to watch.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 16, 2020 10:47:10 GMT -5
First rounders are tough because the expectations are so high. You cant blame a team when they take the highest rated player at that time but every team has a different draft board. But Jerry Reese, IMO, always thought he knew better than everyone else. His last three drafts were proof.
Pretty funny Reese's second round picks were usually where he hit on guys. But 2nd round is always filled with round 1 quality players.
DG, his biggest flop draft wise is easily Baker. Thankfully for him, he got his QB and a solid DT right before him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 11:24:32 GMT -5
I know there were two GM’s who contributed here but let’s go back to 2010 and evaluate our first round picks and if they were worth it. 2010 JPP. Yes Absolutely Great Pick. 2011 Prince Amukamara Never reached his potential 2012 David Wilson. ( freak Injury) 2013 Pugh. Never turned into a dominant Tackle 2014 Odell. ( plenty of posts about this), you can’t deny probably the best WR we ever had 2015 Flowers. 🤢 🤮 2016 Eli Apple 🤮 2017 Engram. Often injured and hasn’t come close to his expected talent 2018 Barkley. Should have traded out of this pick 2019 Jones. Finally, Since JPP We have a quality Pick 2019 Lawrence. Love this guy. 2019 Baker. 🤮 🤮 🤮 2020 Thomas. Highly Needed Pick who will hopefully anchor down the left side for a decade That being said we have missed and missed big on so many first round picks. In 10 years the only ones I really label as Amazing are JPP, Jones and it’s way to early to evaluate but Thomas. (Maybe Lawrence). I am torn to justify his draft position to how much he impacts the game. This is a huge reason we have such a lack of playmakers. First round picks are supposed to supposed to come in and have immediate impacts. Not only that they are supposed to stay on the team. and when you look at 2010 through 2017 they were pretty bad on 2nd through the mid rounds there are some drafts in there that were complete busts no players getting second contracts That is what were recovering from. Lawrence was I believe around top 15 as an interior line men as a rookie he was worth it monday night he had a sack and a great stop on a screen behind the LOS he eats up blocks makes tackles him and Williams will be fun to watch. Correct. Proof of a good 1st round pick is a contract after a rookie deal
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 12:00:44 GMT -5
Getting rid of our first round picks before their rookie contracts are over or not giving them a second contract is a HUGE problem for this team.
JPP Prince Amukamara Pugh Odell Flowers Apple Baker Possibly Engram
We have to do better here
Can and Do GM’s miss. Sure but look where we are weak.
Game Changer WR Offensive line. Pass Rush
These could have all been players on our team. We missed on 2 first round O-linemen
Do they have to be Elite No. but they should be serviceable and the very least for up to 8 years
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 19, 2020 19:42:19 GMT -5
Since 2018 the only pick who wasn't worth it was Baker, and even he was considered to be a good pick at the time by most.
Say what you want about Barkley, the kid is phenomenal and has HOF talent. He's only going to get better.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 19, 2020 19:47:28 GMT -5
League wide what the hit percentage on first round picks?
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 19, 2020 20:08:13 GMT -5
League wide what the hit percentage on first round picks? Was just about to ask that. My bet it's similar to ours.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 19, 2020 20:10:01 GMT -5
League wide what the hit percentage on first round picks? This is a good question but it definately looks like the draft picks are better the last few years...
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 19, 2020 20:11:20 GMT -5
It really is unfortunate that fame turned Odell into such a twat.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 19, 2020 20:17:11 GMT -5
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Post by jb456 on Sept 19, 2020 20:25:31 GMT -5
It really is unfortunate that fame turned Odell into such a twat. A stupid one handed catch against the Cowboys during a regular season. They also ended up losing that game. I am the best player in the world! Oh wait, I shit the bed in my only playoff game....
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 19, 2020 21:11:08 GMT -5
It really is unfortunate that fame turned Odell into such a twat. Right?
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Post by Jomo on Sept 19, 2020 21:19:40 GMT -5
To be a BIG HIT in the first round, my expectation is that they are a multi year pro bowl player.
We have very few who fit that bill and all of them are at the back end of the list.
JPP was talented but flawed between the ears.
Barkley, Jones, Lawrence and Thomas are our best bets in that regard.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 19, 2020 21:19:51 GMT -5
It really is unfortunate that fame turned Odell into such a twat. I think ultimately his nickname will be "headcase."
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Post by Jomo on Sept 19, 2020 21:29:46 GMT -5
It really is unfortunate that fame turned Odell into such a twat. I think ultimately his nickname will be "headcase." He is not unlike Strawberry and Gooden who had enormous God given talents shredded by overwhelming personal flaws.
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Post by Martin on Sept 19, 2020 22:13:39 GMT -5
Since 2018 the only pick who wasn't worth it was Baker, and even he was considered to be a good pick at the time by most. Say what you want about Barkley, the kid is phenomenal and has HOF talent. He's only going to get better. Too bad the Giants Oline sucks. HOF ? Wasted years unless they can fix it quick.
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 20, 2020 5:52:52 GMT -5
Since 2018 the only pick who wasn't worth it was Baker, and even he was considered to be a good pick at the time by most. Say what you want about Barkley, the kid is phenomenal and has HOF talent. He's only going to get better. Too bad the Giants Oline sucks. HOF ? Wasted years unless they can fix it quick. I've been the biggest advocate of fixing the OL going back to the old boards. I still believe the majority of Eli's issues the last half of his career stemmed from the OL, but that's a whole other 10 page thread. As bad as the OL has been, this kind of proves my point regarding Barkley's talent. Behind a poor OL, he's put up incredible numbers and will only get better. My hope is our OL takes a big leap forward this week. After playing in their first game together, and having real film to review and critique, I believe a lot of the communication issues we had will be improved. I'm also hoping the surgeries our TE's had in an attempt to remove their heads from their asses was successful. They were beyond bad when asked to block last week.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 20, 2020 6:08:37 GMT -5
Lawrence will be DGs best pick when all said and done. Hopefully we lock him up long term unlike Joseph and Cofield.
DJ needs to improve a lot still with the turnovers and awareness but he certainly has skill.
SQB has skill but he isnt what everyone hoped and was certainly not worth where he was picked.
Slayton might be DGs best value pick.
Too early for Thomas but he has pro bowl the next decade type talent.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 20, 2020 7:58:59 GMT -5
Lawrence will be DGs best pick when all said and done. Hopefully we lock him up long term unlike Joseph and Cofield. DJ needs to improve a lot still with the turnovers and awareness but he certainly has skill. SQB has skill but he isnt what everyone hoped and was certainly not worth where he was picked. Slayton might be DGs best value pick. Too early for Thomas but he has pro bowl the next decade type talent.Idk about anybody else but I really enjoyed watching Thomas last week. He is going to struggle at times especially given the circumstances this year,but he already seems like a massive upgrade over what we have seen since 2013 Beatty. Like you said still early but its hard to not be excited.
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 20, 2020 8:03:15 GMT -5
Lawrence will be DGs best pick when all said and done. Hopefully we lock him up long term unlike Joseph and Cofield. DJ needs to improve a lot still with the turnovers and awareness but he certainly has skill. SQB has skill but he isnt what everyone hoped and was certainly not worth where he was picked. Slayton might be DGs best value pick. Too early for Thomas but he has pro bowl the next decade type talent.Idk about anybody else but I really enjoyed watching Thomas last week. He is going to struggle at times especially given the circumstances this year,but he already seems like a massive upgrade over what we have seen since 2013 Beatty. Like you said still early but its hard to not be excited. He was a stud out there. I watched a few videos on the OL, and liked what I saw. I think he and Hernandez can be a solid duo for years to come, and will be fun to watch Barkley run behind as they continue to mature together.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 20, 2020 8:06:30 GMT -5
Lawrence will be DGs best pick when all said and done. Hopefully we lock him up long term unlike Joseph and Cofield. DJ needs to improve a lot still with the turnovers and awareness but he certainly has skill. SQB has skill but he isnt what everyone hoped and was certainly not worth where he was picked. Slayton might be DGs best value pick. Too early for Thomas but he has pro bowl the next decade type talent.Idk about anybody else but I really enjoyed watching Thomas last week. He is going to struggle at times especially given the circumstances this year,but he already seems like a massive upgrade over what we have seen since 2013 Beatty. Like you said still early but its hard to not be excited. Exactly why I was sold on him since Oct 2019. He is a monster with huge mitts. The kid is our Tyron Smith. We finally got that LT that the Cowboys, Eagles and Skins had for many years.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 20, 2020 8:12:54 GMT -5
Lawrence will be DGs best pick when all said and done. Hopefully we lock him up long term unlike Joseph and Cofield. DJ needs to improve a lot still with the turnovers and awareness but he certainly has skill. SQB has skill but he isnt what everyone hoped and was certainly not worth where he was picked. Slayton might be DGs best value pick. Too early for Thomas but he has pro bowl the next decade type talent. Jones is Gettleman's legacy already.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 20, 2020 9:46:52 GMT -5
Lawrence will be DGs best pick when all said and done. Hopefully we lock him up long term unlike Joseph and Cofield. DJ needs to improve a lot still with the turnovers and awareness but he certainly has skill. SQB has skill but he isnt what everyone hoped and was certainly not worth where he was picked. Slayton might be DGs best value pick. Too early for Thomas but he has pro bowl the next decade type talent.Idk about anybody else but I really enjoyed watching Thomas last week. He is going to struggle at times especially given the circumstances this year,but he already seems like a massive upgrade over what we have seen since 2013 Beatty. Like you said still early but its hard to not be excited. Did you see how he was able to deal with Dupree one on one on that 1st TD pass to Slayton on an island? Comfortably was able to direct and take him wide enough where he was out of the play and deep enough for Jones to step up .. That is what a starting NFL LT looks like
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 20, 2020 9:48:45 GMT -5
Lawrence will be DGs best pick when all said and done. Hopefully we lock him up long term unlike Joseph and Cofield. DJ needs to improve a lot still with the turnovers and awareness but he certainly has skill. SQB has skill but he isnt what everyone hoped and was certainly not worth where he was picked. Slayton might be DGs best value pick. Too early for Thomas but he has pro bowl the next decade type talent. Jones is Gettleman's legacy already. Yeah if week 1 was his bottom floor Gettleman (with the help of Shurmur,remember Getty basicaly let Shurmur have a huge say in the qb selection)has hit a home run because the sky is the limit for Jones
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Post by TEM on Sept 20, 2020 9:50:29 GMT -5
League wide what the hit percentage on first round picks? 35% 53%
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 20, 2020 9:55:31 GMT -5
Idk about anybody else but I really enjoyed watching Thomas last week. He is going to struggle at times especially given the circumstances this year,but he already seems like a massive upgrade over what we have seen since 2013 Beatty. Like you said still early but its hard to not be excited. Did you see how he was able to deal with Dupree one on one on that 1st TD pass to Slayton on an island? Comfortably was able to direct and take him wide enough where he was out of the play and deep enough for Jones to step up .. That is what a starting NFL LT looks like At least thats what it feels like since we've had a LT.
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Post by mj312 on Sept 20, 2020 10:00:31 GMT -5
I know there were two GM’s who contributed here but let’s go back to 2010 and evaluate our first round picks and if they were worth it. 2010 JPP. Yes Absolutely Great Pick. 2011 Prince Amukamara Never reached his potential 2012 David Wilson. ( freak Injury) 2013 Pugh. Never turned into a dominant Tackle 2014 Odell. ( plenty of posts about this), you can’t deny probably the best WR we ever had 2015 Flowers. 🤢 🤮 2016 Eli Apple 🤮 2017 Engram. Often injured and hasn’t come close to his expected talent 2018 Barkley. Should have traded out of this pick 2019 Jones. Finally, Since JPP We have a quality Pick 2019 Lawrence. Love this guy. 2019 Baker. 🤮 🤮 🤮 2020 Thomas. Highly Needed Pick who will hopefully anchor down the left side for a decade That being said we have missed and missed big on so many first round picks. In 10 years the only ones I really label as Amazing are JPP, Jones and it’s way to early to evaluate but Thomas. (Maybe Lawrence). I am torn to justify his draft position to how much he impacts the game. This is a huge reason we have such a lack of playmakers. First round picks are supposed to supposed to come in and have immediate impacts. Not only that they are supposed to stay on the team. Agree 100% on jpp, and Lawrence .. Jpp was the last true explosive , dynamic pass rusher we drafted .. Jones looks ok but the jury is still out as to whether it was a great pick or not .. let's hope that Thomas works out .. it's crazy how many guys just didn't work out as such high picks ..
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 20, 2020 10:12:02 GMT -5
Woof. Look at the top 10 picks of 2015. Only Scherff remains with original team.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 20, 2020 11:06:20 GMT -5
Woof. Look at the top 10 picks of 2015. Only Scherff remains with original team. And everone said the WTFs reached on that pick because he was going to be better as a guard and you don't take guards that high and also hated they took him over Williams The irony of this is ironic
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