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Post by TCHOF on Sept 16, 2020 16:05:17 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"?
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 16:12:35 GMT -5
eventually I think in Engram's case Tell me what you can do He can block in spacs detached from the line He can get opem in mismatches.
The experiment as an inline blocker should be ended ASAP
Flemming..probably until they are comfortable with Peart not being liability
Remember ..the inconvenient truth is that these first few games foe this team and this staff are basically pre season evaluation periods due to no preseason games..
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Post by thetruth on Sept 16, 2020 16:27:48 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? Engram played terrible. However, the coaches need to be accountable as to how they're using him.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 16, 2020 16:33:44 GMT -5
Engram is gone before October IMO.
The OL will be shuffled around the next couple of weeks.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2020 16:34:27 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? He isn't gonna change but he isn't gonna lambaste guys in the media or with fans I'm sure if he see's guys dogging they will find their way to the bench and out the door. If he feels it's a talent thing he will replace if their is a replacement. But we will know what is said just the way this coach operates.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2020 16:36:39 GMT -5
Engram is gone before October IMO. The OL will be shuffled around the next couple of weeks. I would hold off on that it was one game if he has three straight games like he started last year off think he will be around. unless someone like Peyton decides to give up some good draft capital.
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Post by southerner on Sept 16, 2020 16:52:23 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? He said that but right now I don’t see any Giant player taking responsibility....all we get are excuses and obtuse explanations. They are quick to point to Covid......which I guess only affected the N.Y. giants. I will say Jones has accepted some responsibility.....
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Post by southerner on Sept 16, 2020 16:56:57 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? Engram is not a NFL TE.....period. Fleming should be benched today in favor of Peart. Peart will struggle but there is no way he could do worse than Fleming.
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Post by TEM on Sept 16, 2020 17:01:28 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? What entails accountability? Mistake free football will never be accomplished and is unrealistic. I think you are taking the accountability narrative to the extreme. I think what what he was implying and what I interpreted from that comment. Is play hard do not quit ever. Both were bad but both of them played hard and did not quit. As did the entire team. This team had a lot of quit in it under Mac And Shum. I did not see that on Monday night.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 17:08:24 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? what would you need to see to think they are being held accountable? maybe this is something we as fans wont always see in a visual or tangible way. With that said you will see more of Kaden Smith vs the Bears. But just putting someone else in at RT may be just as bad or worse.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2020 17:20:53 GMT -5
"To be honest with you, I think it's my job to support the players," Judge said. "I think it's our job internally to make corrections and adjustments that are necessary. But I don't think you're going to see too much different from me than you've seen already, if that kind of paints a little bit of a picture for you. I kind of am who I am every day. But internally, we'll address things always. We're going to be very blunt and honest. We're very transparent in this organization, and we'll always be very direct with what we have to do to correct it." www.giants.com/news/joe-judge-offensive-line-andrew-thomas-nick-gates-cam-fleming-steelers-week-one
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Post by McCherry on Sept 16, 2020 17:47:34 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? We have the depth at certain positions to make changes. I don’t think anyone will be benched going into game 2, but at some point this HC knows he’ll lose credibility if he keeps publicly defending his players without seeing the results on the field.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2020 19:00:11 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? We have the depth at certain positions to make changes. I don’t think anyone will be benched going into game 2, but at some point this HC knows he’ll lose credibility if he keeps publicly defending his players without seeing the results on the field. RT and corner number 2 would right now could be in play Ballentine did nothing to warrant any a hot seat,in fact other than a few plays at the end of the game you didn't even know he was on the field (which is a good thing for a young corner making his first start on the outside) Flemming...that leash got really short quickly
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 16, 2020 19:16:46 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? I think at some point yes. With the challenges this year, I assume there will be more leeway.
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Post by jimc on Sept 17, 2020 7:21:57 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? My view of “being held accountable”. You are being held accountable for your actions when you can explain logically why you did what you did. If it was the wrong thing to do, you will do your best to correct it. That’s all you can expect from anyone.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 7:56:37 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? Engram is not a NFL TE.....period. Fleming should be benched today in favor of Peart. Peart will struggle but there is no way he could do worse than Fleming. Peart was beat out by Fleming and is a 3rd round draft pick. Also, I believe the draft profile on Peart was that he needed a year of conditioning to get up to NFL strength. Don't you think the coaches would have selected the younger player with more promise if it was even close to a tie with Fleming? If they wouldn't, they should be fired....
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 7:58:35 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? Oh, I agree but there are a lot more players that should be added to that list. Daniel Jones's interception in the endzone was backbreaking. He took a few shots and held onto the ball so that's a plus.
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 17, 2020 7:59:04 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? We have the depth at certain positions to make changes. I don’t think anyone will be benched going into game 2, but at some point this HC knows he’ll lose credibility if he keeps publicly defending his players without seeing the results on the field. Apparently not a popular opinion on here, but I would be a little upset of the team started shuffling out players after 60 minutes of football on the season.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 17, 2020 8:26:52 GMT -5
We have the depth at certain positions to make changes. I don’t think anyone will be benched going into game 2, but at some point this HC knows he’ll lose credibility if he keeps publicly defending his players without seeing the results on the field. Apparently not a popular opinion on here, but I would be a little upset of the team started shuffling out players after 60 minutes of football on the season. As much as its going to suck to watch, guys are going to need time to try and work some of these errors out. A lot of us said from the start, these young teams with new coaching staffs were going to struggle against veteran teams with tenured coaching staffs. I had said well before the season I dont believe this team wins more than 2 games heading into November.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 17, 2020 8:30:10 GMT -5
eventually I think in Engram's case Tell me what you can do He can block in spacs detached from the line He can get opem in mismatches. The experiment as an inline blocker should be ended ASAP Flemming..probably until they are comfortable with Peart not being liability Remember ..the inconvenient truth is that these first few games foe this team and this staff are basically pre season evaluation periods due to no preseason games.. Agree EE needs to be moved to the outside as a receiver. It is a position where we are short on bodies anyway, it plays to his strengths (speed and downfield blocking) and don't we have 4 TE's on the roster anyway? We have the depth at the position, make the change.
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 17, 2020 8:54:23 GMT -5
Engram is gone before October IMO. The OL will be shuffled around the next couple of weeks. I wouldn't be surprised. But part of me thinks Engram plays with a chip on his shoulder after embarrassing himself yet again. If not they should just trade him or bench him. Engram just might not be a right fit for the new system. You can tell they want to be a tough, physical team(unlike Pat and Mac). Engram is (thus far) a finesse player like Travis Beckum, albeit it with more potential. I just don't think there's much of a spot for a TE who is typically a poor blocker and is an unreliable pass catcher. That's just my take. I obviously hope he turns it around because he could be a great weapon. We'd certainly be speaking of him differently if he didn't drop those passes. BUT I've never preferred his style of play. I'd prefer Ballard or Boss any day. Or even the other guys they have on the roster right now.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2020 9:04:25 GMT -5
We have the depth at certain positions to make changes. I don’t think anyone will be benched going into game 2, but at some point this HC knows he’ll lose credibility if he keeps publicly defending his players without seeing the results on the field. RT and corner number 2 would right now could be in play Ballentine did nothing to warrant any a hot seat,in fact other than a few plays at the end of the game you didn't even know he was on the field (which is a good thing for a young corner making his first start on the outside) Flemming...that leash got really short quickly We're trying to get 5 players to work together, putting in another rookie is going to make that process harder. After a second look, the OL didn't play that bad in pass protection. That's the tougher job than run blocking. The Giants passing game was effective from the first play, and they were able to do what they wanted for the most part against one of the best pass defenses in the league. Jones 2 mistakes at the goal line cost them 14 points, but he threw above his career throwing percentage and had 279 yds with a new OL, without his leading receiver and Engram taking himself out of the game. Slayton dominated the Steelers secondary and 8 receivers caught passes... There is plenty to build on moving forward. They need to figure out run blocking assignments because Steelers LB's were coming unchallenged. How do you let Dupree line up twice without a hat even on him?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:20:14 GMT -5
we're not seeing everything behind closed doors, im sure theyre going over everyones mistakes. I think the accountability will come through in the starting lineups, one day soon youll just notice kaden smith getting more snaps all over the field, i think youll see the guys who are playing well rise to the top, this entire roster is going to play itself out. im not worried about that, that coaching staff isnt going to let bad play/players hide for too long.
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Post by Martin on Sept 17, 2020 9:48:25 GMT -5
This is the preseason games that they didn't have to evaluate. Unfortunately losses will happen until they get it together. I'm still hopefully they can compete.
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Post by ratbastich on Sept 18, 2020 9:20:15 GMT -5
Judge came in here preaching "accountability" as one of his mantras. There were some guys who played piss poor on Monday night (Engram, Fleming). Anyone think that these turds will actually be held "accountable"? I think if he maintains the BB way, a lot of stuff won't come into the media about how he is handling things. I'm thinking though that is he was willing to restart a practice because of lack of effort and not liking what he saw, he probably will though what accountability is...who knows.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 18, 2020 13:43:17 GMT -5
It might be easier with Engram to just scale back the number of plays he sees and utilize the other 2 TEs who are more well rounded (if not explosive).
With Fleming, we have to ask the question: who is going to replacement him?
Accountability is easy when you have a better option in the wings.
If Peart has earned a shot, I am all for giving it to him.
It will all be interesting to watch. I think we have a different type of HC.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2020 13:57:21 GMT -5
Accountability does not equal benching....
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Post by Jomo on Sept 18, 2020 14:05:58 GMT -5
Accountability does not equal benching.... Are we going to down grade their lunch plan?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 18, 2020 14:12:29 GMT -5
Accountability does not equal benching.... Certainly not after week 1.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2020 14:14:47 GMT -5
Accountability does not equal benching.... Are we going to down grade their lunch plan? point is that there are other ways to hold players accountable. Ultimately if you dont get the job done the you go down the rungs on the depth chart.
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