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Post by Kruunch on Sept 17, 2020 18:48:55 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Sean Landeta is a big reason we beat the Skins in ‘86 in the NFC Championship game. Matt Dodge didn’t have talent, Landeta was a great punter. Which means he has talent.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 17, 2020 18:56:43 GMT -5
Only true punter in the HOF is Ray Guy. And it took him 28 years to get in. How is Sean going to get in again? Yale Lary also www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LaryYa00.htmThat is why he gets in. Because a punter with his accomplishments is rare . If anything Landeta is the quintessential Hall of Famer because of his rarity. Re-check that. He was a safety as well as a punter. Lary had 50 interceptions in his career. If the voters took almost three decades to get the best punter ever in. Sean has no chance. And as you can see in my previous post, Sean was a great punter. Not hall of fame great though.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2020 19:11:24 GMT -5
Re-check that. He was a safety as well as a punter. Lary had 50 interceptions in his career. If the voters took almost three decades to get the best punter ever in. Sean has no chance. And as you can see in my previous post, Sean was a great punter. Not hall of fame great though. I disagree his accomplishments speak for themselves. The voters should acknowledge . The rest on that list 3-10 other players have better numbers. in the SB era what other punter is a 3X all pro and a 2X SB champ with the yardage to go with it? No one . Not one. He should be a shoe in just on that merit.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 17, 2020 19:47:40 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Sean Landeta is a big reason we beat the Skins in ‘86 in the NFC Championship game. Matt Dodge didn’t have talent, Landeta was a great punter. Which means he has talent. Thanks for reeling me in. I was too harsh in my words but HOF, really? I believe that Ray Guy is the only punter in the HOF which mean that Reggie Roby isn't there which gets me back to my point on Landetta. HOF is a major stretch for me. Landetta is best known to me as the guy who swung at and missed a punt attempt against the Bears in the 1985 playoffs. Now I am about to tell a true story. I am watching that game and after the play my wife (marginal fan that she is) turns to me and says: "that doesn't happen often does it?" It is hard for me to think of the guy as HOF candidate after that. Now back to my real point. Where the hell is Carl Banks?
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 17, 2020 21:54:57 GMT -5
Since Joe Namath had a mediocre career with barely above a .500 completion %... but guaranteed a SB victory, and got it... although even his SB stats were. so-so, too. If Tiki had one more year, our 2007 SB year, he'd be a shoo in. He burned a lot of bridges with his mouth after his career and a few voters will surely remember that. He left with gas in the tank . He did this to himself . He needed 1551 yards and he was too stupid to see that fact.. Like I said . I have 0 sympathy for him. He let his dislike for Coughlin's tough ways to influence him. Didn't want to play for him another year. Bad move. Tom, for the first time in his coaching career let his wife convince him that he was too hard on the players and needed to ease up. He did, and to the surprise of everyone, one early day in camp, he told the guys... no practice this afternoon... we're going bowling. Tiki was a smart guy who made a bad decision simplybecause he didn't like coach... the coach who influenced him to carry the ball different to cut down on his fumbles. Plus, he broke one of the unspoken rules of sports to not throw a coach or fellow team mate under the bus. Tiki had a big mouth criticizing TC and Eli, and I wouldn't be surprised if that costs him a couple of votes.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 17, 2020 22:08:43 GMT -5
Barber gained more yards than any other player in the four years between 2003 and 2006. To me, that’s HOF worthy. And he did it at age 29, 30, 31 if I'm not mistaken. He put up HOF stats imo & actually has better career stats than some RBs in the hall.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 17, 2020 22:22:42 GMT -5
J Tuck (1st year eligible) T Barber J Shockey S Landeta C Snee I think I got them... Thoughts?
No. Barber and Snee top the list but they did not have HOF career IMO.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2020 22:36:39 GMT -5
Snee is the most worthy out of that group. Tiki probably did it for too short a period of time, but he could possibly get in. You see Snee as a hall of famer? I just don’t see that, he had a great career, and his name will always be remembered as long as Giant stadium is still standing. But when I think of hall of famers, especially guards his name doesn’t stick out. Guys like Steve Wisniewski who was a great guard can’t sniff the hall of fame. Which tells me Snee has a snowballs chance in hell of getting in. Rings count. Just saying.
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 18, 2020 8:11:02 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Good point. Carl Banks definitely belongs. He was truly great, but was overshadowed by the LT and Carson talents. I know damned sure both Carson LT would give them a mouthful of how much they think of Carl.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2020 11:03:26 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Good point. Carl Banks definitely belongs. He was truly great, but was overshadowed by the LT and Carson talents. I know damned sure both Carson LT would give them a mouthful of how much they think of Carl. LT has said that Banks and Van Pelt were the best players he has ever played with in regards to shutting down the run on the outside.
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Post by imgrate on Sept 18, 2020 13:11:00 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Good point. Carl Banks definitely belongs. He was truly great, but was overshadowed by the LT and Carson talents. I know damned sure both Carson LT would give them a mouthful of how much they think of Carl. That's probably it. He also only had one probowl/allpro selection and none of his stats jump off the page for the voters that at this point probably didn't see him play. That said, he is on the 1980s all decade team (second team). The other outside linebackers on the 2nd team 1980s all decade team are andre tippett (HoFer) and john Anderson (not a HoFer).
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Post by Jomo on Sept 18, 2020 13:38:13 GMT -5
Good point. Carl Banks definitely belongs. He was truly great, but was overshadowed by the LT and Carson talents. I know damned sure both Carson LT would give them a mouthful of how much they think of Carl. LT has said that Banks and Van Pelt were the best players he has ever played with in regards to shutting down the run on the outside. When you watch those games, it is like Banks is putting on a clinic around how to seal the edge. He was a very powerful force for us on the defense and is overlooked because he didn't put up the sacks like LT.
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 18, 2020 14:43:38 GMT -5
In the 86' postseason, Banks was the best defensive player on the D. Madden couldn't stop gushing about Banks LBer play. 9ers, Skins, Broncos all got suffered mightily when they ran away from LT to Banks side thinking he was the "easier" of the 2. He should be in the HOF.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2020 16:27:32 GMT -5
LT has said that Banks and Van Pelt were the best players he has ever played with in regards to shutting down the run on the outside. When you watch those games, it is like Banks is putting on a clinic around how to seal the edge. He was a very powerful force for us on the defense and is overlooked because he didn't put up the sacks like LT. I would have paid good money to have seen Banks and Bavaro go at it during a scrimmage. It’s a crime how Bavaro isn’t in the HOF. At his peak, no one was better.
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 19, 2020 18:32:23 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Banks has got to be the best Gint not in the HOF.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 19, 2020 19:02:42 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Banks has got to be the best Gint not in the HOF. Better than Jimmy Patton? 52 career interceptions. He’s the one who tackled Alan Amache as he went into the end zone. “The greatest game ever played.”
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 19, 2020 19:23:28 GMT -5
Banks has got to be the best Gint not in the HOF. Better than Jimmy Patton? 52 career interceptions. He’s the one who tackled Alan Amache as he went into the end zone. “The greatest game ever played.” OK...best I saw play!
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 19, 2020 20:03:05 GMT -5
When you watch those games, it is like Banks is putting on a clinic around how to seal the edge. He was a very powerful force for us on the defense and is overlooked because he didn't put up the sacks like LT. I would have paid good money to have seen Banks and Bavaro go at it during a scrimmage. It’s a crime how Bavaro isn’t in the HOF. At his peak, no one was better. While a great Giant & one of our "best TEs ever, he just wasn't utilized by BP the way Coryell utilized Kellen Winslow in SD. 80s Giants were a run heavy 1st team, SD was one of the 1st offenses to utilize the passing attack hence they had Charlie Joiner, John Jefferson & Kellen Winslow & we had Lionel Manuel & Bobby Johnson. Bavaro had just one 1000yd season, never caught more than 66 passes in a yr & 8TDs in a yr. Just didn't have the #s a HOF TE needs. On this Giants team, I doubt we'll ever have a HOF TE, because they just don't utilize the TE the way other teams do. 95 yrs this team has been around & our 2 best TEs have been Bavaro & Shockey, neither HOF worthy though. IMO, Tiki & Banks are HOF worthy. Banks was overshadowed by the other HOF LBers he played with, but imo, was right up there with them & woulda been the #1 LBer on like 25 other teams back then.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 19, 2020 21:09:50 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Banks has got to be the best Gint not in the HOF. Hard to argue with that.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 19, 2020 21:13:50 GMT -5
Better than Jimmy Patton? 52 career interceptions. He’s the one who tackled Alan Amache as he went into the end zone. “The greatest game ever played.” OK...best I saw play! LOL Krunch, OK you win. Unlike Delicreep I DID see Patton play as an early adolescent. I remember him as being a terrific CB with Lynch and Barnes back there, but do not remember the 52 ints. OMG, I know the league is different but that number is astounding. They both belong in the HOF.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 19, 2020 22:43:53 GMT -5
Legends..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 7:49:33 GMT -5
None of them. Tuck isn’t even a Hall of famer. Shockey? When did the HOF become the Pro Bowl? You let any of those players in and it no longer means anything. I didn’t like Tuck that much. I always like Osi much better. I think you could have got Tuck numbers from Robert Ayers if we kept him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 7:50:32 GMT -5
Landetta and Shockey are a joke as nominees. Shockey had the talent but wasted it. Landetta didn't even have the talent. Where the hell is Carl Banks? Sean Landeta is a big reason we beat the Skins in ‘86 in the NFC Championship game. Matt Dodge didn’t have talent, Landeta was a great punter. Which means he has talent. Landeta was awesome. I could punch him and Bavaro in the face for going to the Eagles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 7:56:55 GMT -5
I would have paid good money to have seen Banks and Bavaro go at it during a scrimmage. It’s a crime how Bavaro isn’t in the HOF. At his peak, no one was better. While a great Giant & one of our "best TEs ever, he just wasn't utilized by BP the way Coryell utilized Kellen Winslow in SD. 80s Giants were a run heavy 1st team, SD was one of the 1st offenses to utilize the passing attack hence they had Charlie Joiner, John Jefferson & Kellen Winslow & we had Lionel Manuel & Bobby Johnson. Bavaro had just one 1000yd season, never caught more than 66 passes in a yr & 8TDs in a yr. Just didn't have the #s a HOF TE needs. On this Giants team, I doubt we'll ever have a HOF TE, because they just don't utilize the TE the way other teams do. 95 yrs this team has been around & our 2 best TEs have been Bavaro & Shockey, neither HOF worthy though. IMO, Tiki & Banks are HOF worthy. Banks was overshadowed by the other HOF LBers he played with, but imo, was right up there with them & woulda been the #1 LBer on like 25 other teams back then. I have no idea how Bobby Johnson kept a roster spot on this team. He is known for one play, really. I remember Parcells wrote in his biography that over the course of about 2 or 3 seasons, he eliminated a ton of guys from the team. Usually because of bad effort and work ethic and drug use. They would never be one of “my guys” he said. Granted LT made it for obvious reasons, Parcells really must have cared about Bobby for some reason. Enough to make him help Bobby get his SuperBowl ring back after pawning it for drug money. Bobby Johnson was a below average WR. That is a fact.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 20, 2020 8:06:02 GMT -5
None of them. Tuck isn’t even a Hall of famer. Shockey? When did the HOF become the Pro Bowl? You let any of those players in and it no longer means anything. I didn’t like Tuck that much. I always like Osi much better. I think you could have got Tuck numbers from Robert Ayers if we kept him. I disagree. Osi got embarrassed in the running game and Ayers was mediocre on his best day. Tuck was great but not HOF worthy.
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Post by TEM on Sept 20, 2020 10:36:36 GMT -5
If tuck isn't getting in with 67 sacks. There is no way banks gets in with 39. Even with his tackles 860 that puts him at 23 on the all-time list. Over 1000 gets you in as a LB Derrick Brooks 1731, Junior Seau 1847, Ray Lewis 2059.
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