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Post by TCHOF on Sept 17, 2020 8:41:00 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away.
Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process.
If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing).
Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat ….
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 17, 2020 8:45:17 GMT -5
At the time of the interception, it looked like he was trying to throw it to Kaden Smith in the middle of the endzone, which could have been just as disastrous had he got it off.
I still feel like he would have been able to throw it out of bounds without having to reset his feet, which is why he got hit.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 17, 2020 8:52:57 GMT -5
At the time of the interception, it looked like he was trying to throw it to Kaden Smith in the middle of the endzone, which could have been just as disastrous had he got it off. I still feel like he would have been able to throw it out of bounds without having to reset his feet, which is why he got hit. Him trying to reset his feet and re-establish a platform was the thing that bugged me. If you're really trying to throw the ball out of the endzone, just square your hips and chuck it out. Jones is athletic enough, there's no reason to try and reset like that if you're getting rid of the ball. Honestly I think he was trying to drop one in by the back left pylon where Slayton was running to. He had a half step on PITT but it was still overcrowded
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 17, 2020 8:57:47 GMT -5
At the time of the interception, it looked like he was trying to throw it to Kaden Smith in the middle of the endzone, which could have been just as disastrous had he got it off. I still feel like he would have been able to throw it out of bounds without having to reset his feet, which is why he got hit. Him trying to reset his feet and re-establish a platform was the thing that bugged me. If you're really trying to throw the ball out of the endzone, just square your hips and chuck it out. Jones is athletic enough, there's no reason to try and reset like that if you're getting rid of the ball. Honestly I think he was trying to drop one in by the back left pylon where Slayton was running to. He had a half step on PITT but it was still overcrowded Id have to rewatch it, I am probably wrong about Smith but at the time, I saw him in the endzone and figured thats where he was going. Still, inexcusable to take that hit, especially on 2nd down at the 4. Even if you underhand it out of bounds, just get that ball out of there and live to see another down. That drive was too impressive to not wind up with at least 3.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 8:59:45 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. No way to really tell if he is telling the truth. Either way, he should have kept moving as there wasn't a chance in hell he would have had the time to stop plant and fire without getting hit. Hindsight is 20/20. Hopefully this is another learning experience for him...
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 17, 2020 9:04:02 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. Whatever Jones was doing he just needed to do it quicker. I'm sure the game is still moving very fast for him in certain situations, and this particular play looks like he got caught between trying to make a play or throwing the ball out of bounds. As much as these plays hurt us in real-time, these are also the plays that should resonate with a player and ultimately be a great learning experience. To me, the fact Jones was able to command a 19 play drive, and convert on multiple 3rd and 4th downs, was more impressive than the interception was unimpressive.....if that makes sense. I know I'm glass half full typically, but I think there's a lot to like from the Sunday's game. Jones being one of them.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 17, 2020 9:04:29 GMT -5
Him trying to reset his feet and re-establish a platform was the thing that bugged me. If you're really trying to throw the ball out of the endzone, just square your hips and chuck it out. Jones is athletic enough, there's no reason to try and reset like that if you're getting rid of the ball. Honestly I think he was trying to drop one in by the back left pylon where Slayton was running to. He had a half step on PITT but it was still overcrowded Id have to rewatch it, I am probably wrong about Smith but at the time, I saw him in the endzone and figured thats where he was going. Still, inexcusable to take that hit, especially on 2nd down at the 4. Even if you underhand it out of bounds, just get that ball out of there and live to see another down. That drive was too impressive to not wind up with at least 3. The route combo off the bootleg looked like this from the TV angle/replays: -Engram to the corner from the play side -Barkley underneath in the flat -Slayton on the boundary cross from the far side -Smith underneath that It was a pretty simple high-low bootleg that Pitt covered really well.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 17, 2020 9:06:31 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. With all due respect I think it was clear that he was throwing it away. It was still a foolish choice. He'll learn that these defenders are great athletes as he clearly underestimated the athletic skill of that defender. Sometimes you just gotta eat it.
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Post by jerky on Sept 17, 2020 9:12:26 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but he was in a similar situation later in the game and he just threw it directly out of bounds without trying to get set or anything. I think he learned from the mistake. We will see I guess.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 9:12:50 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. With all due respect I think it was clear that he was throwing it away. It was still a foolish choice. He'll learn that these defenders are great athletes as he clearly underestimated the athletic skill of that defender. Sometimes you just gotta eat it.
He didn't have to eat it, he was out of the tackle box and had a few steps on the defender, just throw it out of bounds....
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 17, 2020 9:14:59 GMT -5
Jones body was going left. His throw went right towards the middle. ( while twisting his body ) Why,wouldn’t he throw in the direction his body momentum was heading ( corner of end-zone ) Better yet run out of bounds or go down to the ground.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 17, 2020 9:15:04 GMT -5
With all due respect I think it was clear that he was throwing it away. It was still a foolish choice. He'll learn that these defenders are great athletes as he clearly underestimated the athletic skill of that defender. Sometimes you just gotta eat it.
He didn't have to eat it, he was out of the tackle box and had a few steps on the defender, just throw it out of bounds.... That's what he tried to do. he was just trying to throw it out of the endzone. Yes I guess he could have shoveled it to the sidelines. But the point is that he was trying to throw it away. NFL defenders are just really athletic. Often times much more than NFL QB's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:16:43 GMT -5
to me it looked like he was trying to sling it up to the receiver moving to the corner behind everyone else in the back of the end zone. yeah its a crushing mistake, but ya know what? he played pretty damn good most of that game. his passes were zipping in there, he hung in the pocket, he played well, i was very pleased overall. that pitt D was intense and he hung in there made a lot of good passes with pressure.
if the blocking for our run game had not been a total meltdown, that game would have come down to the final drive for one or the other team. if barkley had had even an "average" game like, 90 yards rushing, 1 td or just something like that, extending a couple of those drives and eating up clock, we're right in that til the end.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 17, 2020 9:20:08 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. With all due respect I think it was clear that he was throwing it away. It was still a foolish choice. He'll learn that these defenders are great athletes as he clearly underestimated the athletic skill of that defender. Sometimes you just gotta eat it.
Yes, he needs to just sit down there and there is nothing wrong with rationalizing it as a learning experience. Time will tell whether he actually learned from it. I suspect he will. His accurate passing continues to impress me. I am very enthused that we may have put our QB transition to bed in one easy step...with fingers crossed.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 9:39:17 GMT -5
He didn't have to eat it, he was out of the tackle box and had a few steps on the defender, just throw it out of bounds.... That's what he tried to do. he was just trying to throw it out of the endzone. Yes I guess he could have shoveled it to the sidelines. But the point is that he was trying to throw it away. NFL defenders are just really athletic. Often times much more than NFL QB's. I don't think he was trying to throw it out of bounds. Look at 6:02 of the attached video. He could have easily threw it out of the left corner of the endzone without stopping and planting. There wans't a stealer in front of him for 7 yards. Edit. He could of actually been trying to make a play and changed his mind to late.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2020 9:42:05 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. With all due respect I think it was clear that he was throwing it away. It was still a foolish choice. He'll learn that these defenders are great athletes as he clearly underestimated the athletic skill of that defender. Sometimes you just gotta eat it.
Or take the intentional grounding.
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Post by Martin on Sept 17, 2020 9:43:31 GMT -5
Great learning experience for him. But this is a very athletic play no doubt. The defender closes very quickly. Next time I'm sure he'll eat it.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 9:47:07 GMT -5
With all due respect I think it was clear that he was throwing it away. It was still a foolish choice. He'll learn that these defenders are great athletes as he clearly underestimated the athletic skill of that defender. Sometimes you just gotta eat it.
Or take the intentional grounding. He was way out of the tackle box, just needed to make it past the LOS. Intentional grounding not happening on this play.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 17, 2020 9:57:03 GMT -5
I felt like he was trying to throw it through the back of the endzone.
He just took too long. Waited too long. Those defenders have long arms.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 17, 2020 10:02:16 GMT -5
His awareness will continue to be a work in progress in general. A half second would have made the difference there.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 17, 2020 10:11:03 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. Definitely makes me feel better, and while you couldn't tell live obviously, there's a big part of me that figured he was trying to do that. I didn't find a lot of his INTs last year (and he didn't have a whole ton for a rook) to be total bonehead plays. Also goes to show you how super little things change so much of a football game. If DJ has 1/4 of a second more, he gets that throw away done and we've got third down.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Sept 17, 2020 10:18:58 GMT -5
At the time of the interception, it looked like he was trying to throw it to Kaden Smith in the middle of the endzone, which could have been just as disastrous had he got it off. I still feel like he would have been able to throw it out of bounds without having to reset his feet, which is why he got hit. Him trying to reset his feet and re-establish a platform was the thing that bugged me. If you're really trying to throw the ball out of the endzone, just square your hips and chuck it out. Jones is athletic enough, there's no reason to try and reset like that if you're getting rid of the ball. Honestly I think he was trying to drop one in by the back left pylon where Slayton was running to. He had a half step on PITT but it was still overcrowded I think your right on it Biz, This is exactly what I feel. No matter what he says. On the bright side at least he didn't fumble.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2020 10:21:30 GMT -5
It doesn't make me feel any better. It shouldn't, it was a terrible play. His fumble on the goal line was just as bad. He double-pumped the ball, you can't be this careless with the ball inside the red zone.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2020 10:37:43 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. Yes, but he waited too long to do it. He will learn.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 17, 2020 10:57:43 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. No way to really tell if he is telling the truth. Either way, he should have kept moving as there wasn't a chance in hell he would have had the time to stop plant and fire without getting hit. Hindsight is 20/20. Hopefully this is another learning experience for him... Shouldn't have needed to plant to throw it out of bounds there. The ball wasn't intercepted because he didn't plant … it was intercepted because his arm was hit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:00:15 GMT -5
As per Art Stapleton, Jones confirmed that he was trying to throw the ball away. Makes me feel better because if he was trying to throw to Slayton with 5 Steelers around him, that would have been such a boneheaded decision that it would really make you question this kid's decision-making process. If he was trying to throw it away though, IMO it makes the mistake more of a physical than a mental one (although there is a mental aspect to it in that he misjudged the timing). Hopefully a learning experience that he doesn't repeat …. No way to really tell if he is telling the truth. Either way, he should have kept moving as there wasn't a chance in hell he would have had the time to stop plant and fire without getting hit. Hindsight is 20/20. Hopefully this is another learning experience for him... So, what does he gain by lying?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 17, 2020 11:01:50 GMT -5
I never thought he was doing anything other then trying to throw out the back of the end zone, The only question I had is it seemed the sideline was closer and he would be turning from from the pressure. He will work to correct it.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 17, 2020 11:04:28 GMT -5
That's what he tried to do. he was just trying to throw it out of the endzone. Yes I guess he could have shoveled it to the sidelines. But the point is that he was trying to throw it away. NFL defenders are just really athletic. Often times much more than NFL QB's. I don't think he was trying to throw it out of bounds. Look at 6:02 of the attached video. He could have easily threw it out of the left corner of the endzone without stopping and planting. There wans't a stealer in front of him for 7 yards. Edit. He could of actually been trying to make a play and changed his mind to late. He was just trying to wait until the last possible minute to see if a play developed before he threw it away … obviously waited too long.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 11:05:37 GMT -5
No way to really tell if he is telling the truth. Either way, he should have kept moving as there wasn't a chance in hell he would have had the time to stop plant and fire without getting hit. Hindsight is 20/20. Hopefully this is another learning experience for him... Shouldn't have needed to plant to throw it out of bounds there. The ball wasn't intercepted because he didn't plant … it was intercepted because his arm was hit. What I meant to say was that if DJ's intention was to throw it out of bounds, he didn't need to stop at all. He could of just kept running and tossed it into the left end of the end zone, which had no players in it at all. To me, this is a learning experience. He could have easily ran out of bounds or throw it to the left side of the end zone. Oh well, dude was under pressure all day and had zero support in the run day. Not going to destroy the kid for trying to make a play, goodness knows the Giants weren't going to be able to run it in, that's for sure...
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2020 11:12:30 GMT -5
No way to really tell if he is telling the truth. Either way, he should have kept moving as there wasn't a chance in hell he would have had the time to stop plant and fire without getting hit. Hindsight is 20/20. Hopefully this is another learning experience for him... So, what does he gain by lying? His dignity, save face? That wasn't exactly a pleasant play to watch. I don't really think he was but he probably changed his mind at the last second. Also, if his intention was to get rid of the ball he could have just as easily ran out of bounds or thrown it to the left end of the end zone where zero players were. He just needs learn from it and move on. I still have faith in him and he still hasn't even played in 16 games yet....
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