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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:44:33 GMT -5
Look this isn’t a knee Jerk Reaction after week 1. He hasn’t been the player he should be as a first round pick. Often Injured, lots of drops, not a great blocker. I would wait until the draft deadline and then IF, and the is obviously a big IF he is still healthy, Try and trade him to a team that appears to be ready for a playoff run. What would we get for him though? Maybe a 3rd. Probably a 4th. Is it worth it to take what we can get rather then let him walk into Free Agency at the end of the season and get nothing. At the end of the day this is another first round pick that probably won’t make it to his second contract here. Not being picked by DG really works against him as well
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:49:04 GMT -5
Im a patient fan, with our team and our individual guys, like im still holding out for lorenzo carter who looked pretty good monday. but engram...eh...its been a loooooong time now. i really dont think this team would miss a beat without him. im on the kaden smith train, and that other guy whos name i cant spell. year after year engrams hurt or just drops passes, wrong assignments, blocking, phooey.
meh, im a patient guy but im over engram, not and never was a big fan
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 9:52:25 GMT -5
Im a patient fan, with our team and our individual guys, like im still holding out for lorenzo carter who looked pretty good monday. but engram...eh...its been a loooooong time now. i really dont think this team would miss a beat without him. im on the kaden smith train, and that other guy whos name i cant spell. year after year engrams hurt or just drops passes, wrong assignments, blocking, phooey. meh, im a patient guy but im over engram, not and never was a big fan I am on the Kaden Smith team good bro
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:01:53 GMT -5
yeah im very hopeful that he steps in, he just looks like hes got "it" I have a suspicion it wont be long before we see him getting more snaps, with judge i think the best will quickly rise to the top
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2020 10:11:15 GMT -5
I voted for trade him, but that would be only if we could get some value out of it. Unless his performance skyrockets, I would not resign him.
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 17, 2020 10:11:38 GMT -5
Can’t pay this guy. He’s not reliable (TE that can’t block, drops) and availability is a critical skill. Yet another 1st round bust...sigh!
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Sept 17, 2020 10:13:54 GMT -5
I didn't vote cause it's too early for me to have a final decision. I would lean to signing him but he has to show me he can stay on the field and actually make big plays regularly.
Why can't we use EE out wide especially in the green zone with his height. His speed in the slot along with his height could loosen things up. Put Smith on the LOS. EE is a mismatch for any LBer with EE's speed lets find a way to use it.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2020 10:15:39 GMT -5
Not a knee-jerk reaction? His numbers projected to 88 catches last season. It has been repeated 100 times, the only thing separating Engram from the top TE's in the league at this point are missed games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:18:54 GMT -5
I voted for trade him, but that would be only if we could get some value out of it. Unless his performance skyrockets, I would not resign him. That’s why it’s better to trade then let him walk away and get nothing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:20:16 GMT -5
I didn't vote cause it's too early for me to have a final decision. I would lean to signing him but he has to show me he can stay on the field and actually make big plays regularly. Why can't we use EE out wide especially in the green zone with his height. His speed in the slot along with his height could loosen things up. Put Smith on the LOS. EE is a mismatch for any LBer with EE's speed lets find a way to use it. You had 4 seasons and 1 week to evaluate him. That’s not too early
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:20:52 GMT -5
Not a knee-jerk reaction? His numbers projected to 88 catches last season. It has been repeated 100 times, the only thing separating Engram from the top TE's in the league at this point are missed games. Plus drops, can’t block and injuries
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 17, 2020 10:30:50 GMT -5
Well well well....
I wont bump my thread from a year and a half ago saying we need to trade him while he has value, but Im not shy about tooting my horn either. (And yes I get stuff wrong too that could be bumped). Good to see you guys coming around. Too late, but still nice to see.
Engram is worthless right now. Maybe we could get a 5th rounder for him or something IMO. Might as well just keep him and then let him walk.
"Dont draft RBs or TEs in the 1st round unless you are a RB or TE away from being a SB contender."
Too many good RBs and TEs can be found in the 2nd round or later. In fact, most are.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2020 10:35:07 GMT -5
Not a knee-jerk reaction? His numbers projected to 88 catches last season. It has been repeated 100 times, the only thing separating Engram from the top TE's in the league at this point are missed games. Plus drops, can’t block and injuries Like I just said, injuries are his issue... Engram had 2 drops in 2019.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2020 10:35:56 GMT -5
Anyone besides me think he could be good in the slot? Yup.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 10:37:00 GMT -5
I voted for trade him, but that would be only if we could get some value out of it. Unless his performance skyrockets, I would not resign him. That’s why it’s better to trade then let him walk away and get nothing Realistically what’s his value? The rest of the league sees him too. He’s a luxury item, I have no idea what if anything he brings back on the trade market. I’m guessing not much.
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Post by Providence on Sept 17, 2020 10:38:00 GMT -5
I don't think we could get much for him right now and, though I'm not optimistic, he has the potential to produce this year. I'd hang on to him until the end of the season, but I see no reason to re-sign (even if he does stay healthy this year).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:59:47 GMT -5
I don't think we could get much for him right now and, though I'm not optimistic, he has the potential to produce this year. I'd hang on to him until the end of the season, but I see no reason to re-sign (even if he does stay healthy this year). And it won’t even be blamed on DG. He’ll just say “Yeah. It was’t my pick”
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 17, 2020 10:59:50 GMT -5
I'm fine bringing him back if he stays relatively healthy, and if he produces when healthy. I don't think he's going to ever be a traditional TE, so if we keep him I think we should stop trying to make him be one. Use him as the "mismatch" he's supposed to be.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2020 11:48:29 GMT -5
How about we wait to see at least half the season before we start trading players.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 17, 2020 11:53:07 GMT -5
That’s why it’s better to trade then let him walk away and get nothing Realistically what’s his value? The rest of the league sees him too. He’s a luxury item, I have no idea what if anything he brings back on the trade market. I’m guessing not much. Well we paid a #2 overall pick on a luxury item, so its all in the eye of the beholder. However, with that said his perceived trade value is low right now because his rookie contract is just about done. The Giants have no clue how to use him so they should send him packing 100%. Now what are people not considering? his impact on defenses. Steelers had a CB covering him, not a SS, and sure as hell not a LB, so as much as fans think he's not good, the respect a defense has for him is in the tape. Moving on from Engram will free up resources for defenses. There is value in him even if he's not producing, 1 game does not make a season and sending him packing mid-season makes little to no sense. An interesting saga as he has his issues. Lets see what happens.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 17, 2020 11:56:53 GMT -5
Def listen to offers and at the least he hits the FA market.
I wouldn't be in a rush to trade at the moment. I would change his responsibilities on the field tho. Like if he is in to block for a run play.....run the play away from him...lol
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2020 12:00:18 GMT -5
Well well well.... I wont bump my thread from a year and a half ago saying we need to trade him while he has value, but Im not shy about tooting my horn either. (And yes I get stuff wrong too that could be bumped). Good to see you guys coming around. Too late, but still nice to see. Engram is worthless right now. Maybe we could get a 5th rounder for him or something IMO. Might as well just keep him and then let him walk. "Dont draft RBs or TEs in the 1st round unless you are a RB or TE away from being a SB contender." Too many good RBs and TEs can be found in the 2nd round or later. In fact, most are. 44 catches in 8 games last year. This is the epitome of overreaction.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 17, 2020 12:00:54 GMT -5
Realistically what’s his value? The rest of the league sees him too. He’s a luxury item, I have no idea what if anything he brings back on the trade market. I’m guessing not much. Well we paid a #2 overall pick on a luxury item, so its all in the eye of the beholder. However, with that said his perceived trade value is low right now because his rookie contract is just about done. The Giants have no clue how to use him so they should send him packing 100%. Now what are people not considering? his impact on defenses. Steelers had a CB covering him, not a SS, and sure as hell not a LB, so as much as fans think he's not good, the respect a defense has for him is in the tape. Moving on from Engram will free up resources for defenses. An interesting saga as he has his issues. Lets see what happens. Yeah i saw that...... I still say at this point he can be useful in a Shannon Sharp way(remember he was as allergic to contact as anyone i have ever seen )... flexed,moved around, He can win one on one blocks in space against safeties and corners in the slot. He is not a boundary WR like people want him to be. Get him in motion,jet zweeps (Shurmur actually used him correctly at times )screens. But the inline experiment needs to stop ASAP.. We have 15 games witb a staff that claims they will build schemes and plays around what players do well. Being a big slot playmaker that can block in space (which he can do)hybrid isn't a bad thing....if that is what he becomes.With how slot corners are downsizing these days he could flourish in this role
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 12:02:06 GMT -5
Realistically what’s his value? The rest of the league sees him too. He’s a luxury item, I have no idea what if anything he brings back on the trade market. I’m guessing not much. Well we paid a #2 overall pick on a luxury item, so its all in the eye of the beholder. However, with that said his perceived trade value is low right now because his rookie contract is just about done. The Giants have no clue how to use him so they should send him packing 100%. Now what are people not considering? his impact on defenses. Steelers had a CB covering him, not a SS, and sure as hell not a LB, so as much as fans think he's not good, the respect a defense has for him is in the tape. Moving on from Engram will free up resources for defenses. An interesting saga as he has his issues. Lets see what happens. No question the Giants just did so again. What that has to do with this, I don’t know. I’ve no argument with your perception of what he could be worth based on how defenses account for him, I’m just much more interested in actual results.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 17, 2020 12:06:35 GMT -5
Well we paid a #2 overall pick on a luxury item, so its all in the eye of the beholder. However, with that said his perceived trade value is low right now because his rookie contract is just about done. The Giants have no clue how to use him so they should send him packing 100%. Now what are people not considering? his impact on defenses. Steelers had a CB covering him, not a SS, and sure as hell not a LB, so as much as fans think he's not good, the respect a defense has for him is in the tape. Moving on from Engram will free up resources for defenses. An interesting saga as he has his issues. Lets see what happens. No question the Giants just did so again. What that has to do with this, I don’t know. I’ve no argument with your perception of what he could be worth based on how defenses account for him, I’m just much more interested in actual results. Fair, but using him as a blocker isn't exactly setting him up for success, that was never his skill set so why are we rattled when he doesn't execute this effectively? Also, leaving him to block TJ Watt 1v1 in pass pro is not ideal. Thats called getting out coached schematically as much as we'd rather not admit it. You want to see real results? put him consistently in positions to succeed based on his skill-set. If he fails? then we know He deserves all the criticism for his pass catching woes in week 1. Lets see how this season progresses.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 17, 2020 12:20:33 GMT -5
Either use him correctly and have him running seams and crossing routes all game or get rid of him. He cannot be used as a blocker on the line, as willing as he is or not. I'm willing to drive a racecar but NASCAR isnt calling me to drive in the Daytona 500.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 12:21:22 GMT -5
No question the Giants just did so again. What that has to do with this, I don’t know. I’ve no argument with your perception of what he could be worth based on how defenses account for him, I’m just much more interested in actual results. Fair, but using him as a blocker isn't exactly setting him up for success, that was never his skill set so why are we rattled when he doesn't execute this effectively? Also, leaving him to block TJ Watt 1v1 in pass pro is not ideal. Thats called getting out coached schematically as much as we'd rather not admit it. You want to see real results? put him consistently in positions to succeed based on his skill-set. If he fails? then we know He deserves all the criticism for his pass catching woes in week 1. Lets see how this season progresses. No, I meant that I only judge actual results, not theoretical ones. I wasn’t scoring the game but I doubt Engram was put alone on Watt very often. If Garrett continues to make that mistake, I’d be concerned about the coaching. Both Garrett’s inability to recognize issues and Judge’s inability to manage his OC. But I’m OK with giving the coaches some time to figure some of this out.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 17, 2020 12:24:02 GMT -5
Bottom line is Engram has not lived up to his draft status 99% because of his injuries. The guy can play when he is in the field. He doesn't suck, he's not terrible blah blah blah.
He had a bad game......that is a fact. How many bad games has he had? Also he was not drafted to block. Not all TEs block. Some block and don't catch. He is giving it a go and its not working. Time to change his game plan on the offense. Also a TE that doesn't block isn't just another WR. Its still a whole other position.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 17, 2020 12:28:47 GMT -5
Bottom line is Engram has not lived up to his draft status 99% because of his injuries. The guy can play when he is in the field. He doesn't suck, he's not terrible blah blah blah. He had a bad game......that is a fact. How many bad games has he had? Also he was not drafted to block. Not all TEs block. Some block and don't catch. He is giving it a go and its not working. Time to change his game plan on the offense. Also a TE that doesn't block isn't just another WR. Its still a whole other position. I keep saying His upside is Shannon Sharpe
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Post by Helmet on Sept 17, 2020 12:36:38 GMT -5
Evan Engram is the Travis Beckam of Jason Pierre-Pauls.
-Jerry Reese
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