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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 18, 2020 19:38:49 GMT -5
Yes this belongs in the history section and yes I will move it there shortly, and yes I believe I've posted this before but it's too good not to watch again.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2020 19:42:08 GMT -5
I never get tired of watching Lawrence Taylor clips..
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 18, 2020 20:13:47 GMT -5
Yes this belongs in the history section and yes I will move it there shortly, and yes I believe I've posted this before but it's too good not to watch again.
This is one of my favorite reels it should be shown to every new Giant that walks in the door the intensity expected when you put on that NYG jersey and lid. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 18, 2020 20:15:22 GMT -5
That was 8000 yards in penalties in today game.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 18, 2020 21:33:56 GMT -5
That was 8000 yards in penilties in todays game.
One of the reasons today's game sucks in comparison.
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Post by bluejayc on Sept 18, 2020 23:03:10 GMT -5
Hell you could pin this to the top of the boards and no one would say squat......in the words of Parcells after watching that....."if you can't get ready to play this game you oughta take a hike...."
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 18, 2020 23:11:20 GMT -5
That was 8000 yards in penilties in todays game. Ya think? |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 18, 2020 23:55:34 GMT -5
The fierce intensity, the athleticism, the ultimate competitive fire. To me it’s not even a perhaps or maybe, I know for fact that I watched the greatest defensive player EVER play for the Giants. My favorite player of all time in any sport. Not even close. I could watch any highlight reel of him 100 times and it wouldn’t get old.
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Post by moecoastie on Sept 19, 2020 1:20:28 GMT -5
The fierce intensity, the athleticism, the ultimate competitive fire. To me it’s not even a perhaps or maybe, I know for fact that I watched the greatest defensive player EVER play for the Giants. My favorite player of all time in any sport. Not even close. I could watch any highlight reel of him 100 times and it wouldn’t get old. 100% agree....and I dont think we're the only people who feel this way.... |
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Post by Roswell on Sept 19, 2020 5:57:29 GMT -5
He was the best defensive player ever then, he’d be the best defensive player ever now, and will probably be the best defensive player ever in the future.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 19, 2020 7:06:39 GMT -5
I liked the part when he sacked the QB.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 19, 2020 7:41:17 GMT -5
He was the best defensive player ever then, he’d be the best defensive player ever now, and will probably be the best defensive player ever in the future. How many players have been labeled the “next LT”? Obviously it’s not their fault, but it just exemplifies the standard created by Taylor that no one has been able to achieve ever since. Odell was the closest player to LT in terms of initial impact that the Giants have drafted since, but like everyone else, they are just not on that level. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 19, 2020 8:03:38 GMT -5
That was 8000 yards in penilties in todays game. Ya think? Could you imagine. If LT was in his 2nd or 3rd year (today) and racking up the penalty yardage. I could see the Cut, Trade, and Let Walk pundents all clamoring fof the FO to get rid of him and how the GM mad a big mistake taking him with the #2 pick. Because in todays game if he played like that ? His style was balls to the wall pain. He would have had to tune it back and have given up production. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 19, 2020 8:22:18 GMT -5
Could you imagine. If LT was in his 2nd or 3rd year (today) and racking up the penalty yardage. I could see the Cut, Trade, and Let Walk pundents all clamoring fof the FO to get rid of him and how the GM mad a big mistake taking him with the #2 pick. Because in todays game if he played like that ? His style was balls to the wall pain. He would have had to tune it back and have given up production. He wouldn't have been LT at all |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 19, 2020 8:23:51 GMT -5
Could you imagine. If LT was in his 2nd or 3rd year (today) and racking up the penalty yardage. I could see the Cut, Trade, and Let Walk pundents all clamoring fof the FO to get rid of him and how the GM mad a big mistake taking him with the #2 pick. Because in todays game if he played like that ? His style was balls to the wall pain. He would have had to tune it back and have given up production. he'd adapt and still be the best Defensive player in the NFL. He is one those type players that transcend the times and rules. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 19, 2020 8:24:05 GMT -5
The fierce intensity, the athleticism, the ultimate competitive fire. To me it’s not even a perhaps or maybe, I know for fact that I watched the greatest defensive player EVER play for the Giants. My favorite player of all time in any sport. Not even close. I could watch any highlight reel of him 100 times and it wouldn’t get old. 100% agree....and I dont think we're the only people who feel this way.... I'm just waiting for him to open a press conference with "I spilled spot remover on my dog,and now he is gone " |
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Post by TEM on Sept 19, 2020 8:29:49 GMT -5
Could you imagine. If LT was in his 2nd or 3rd year (today) and racking up the penalty yardage. I could see the Cut, Trade, and Let Walk pundents all clamoring fof the FO to get rid of him and how the GM mad a big mistake taking him with the #2 pick. Because in todays game if he played like that ? His style was balls to the wall pain. He would have had to tune it back and have given up production. he'd adapt and still be the best Defensive player in the NFL. He is one those type players that transcend the times and rules. I don't know about that. His entire game was built on the speed of his pass rush. In todays game he could not hit the QB at full speed. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 19, 2020 9:07:10 GMT -5
he'd adapt and still be the best Defensive player in the NFL. He is one those type players that transcend the times and rules. I don't know about that. His entire game was built on the speed of his pass rush. In todays game he could not hit the QB at full speed. doesnt matter... Plenty of speed rushers getting it done in today's NFL. He'd still be the best IMO. He was a premier athlete not just a pass rusher one trick pony. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 19, 2020 9:12:40 GMT -5
I don't know about that. His entire game was built on the speed of his pass rush. In todays game he could not hit the QB at full speed. doesnt matter... Plenty of speed rushers getting it done in today's NFL. He'd still be the best IMO. He was a premier athlete not just a pass rusher one trick pony. In todays game he would have had to slow down and pull up to hit the QB. The would have affected his game. He would have lost sack count. . The same with Strahan. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 19, 2020 9:19:55 GMT -5
doesnt matter... Plenty of speed rushers getting it done in today's NFL. He'd still be the best IMO. He was a premier athlete not just a pass rusher one trick pony. In todays game he would have had to slow down and pull up to hit the QB. The would have affected his game. He would have lost sack count. . The same with Strahan. point is..... with in the parameters of today's game he'd still be a wrecking ball and most likely the best defender in the NFL. He wouldnt be be playing his same game of course but he his ability and athleticism would take over. for example.....Would Kahlil Mack play the same game in the late 80s as he does today? Of course not. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 19, 2020 9:25:38 GMT -5
LT would have still kicked ass in today’s NFL. He played in an era where tough men survived. Now, it’s all about athleticism and speed. Today’s tackles would have mysterious injuries before game day. Quarterbacks would put a restraining order on him. Opposing coaches would pray he doesn’t destroy their game plan.
As for the rules? LT played extremely hard but never dirty. He would have adapted to the league and destroyed it at the same time.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 19, 2020 9:54:03 GMT -5
Could you imagine. If LT was in his 2nd or 3rd year (today) and racking up the penalty yardage. I could see the Cut, Trade, and Let Walk pundents all clamoring fof the FO to get rid of him and how the GM mad a big mistake taking him with the #2 pick. Because in todays game if he played like that ? His style was balls to the wall pain. He would have had to tune it back and have given up production. he'd adapt and still be the best Defensive player in the NFL. He is one those type players that transcend the times and rules.
I agree.
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Post by desertash on Sept 19, 2020 10:23:03 GMT -5
it wouldn't have been the next level human version, but still the best
LT was just as amazing in the intellectual and psychological part of the game.
He was the best I've ever seen on a play by play basis simply knowing where the ball was going.
The number of stops at or around the LOS he made was stunning and a by product of his super human efforts and just knowing more than everyone around him on the field.
Those parts would have carried to today's game.
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Post by desertash on Sept 19, 2020 10:25:06 GMT -5
In todays game he would have had to slow down and pull up to hit the QB. The would have affected his game. He would have lost sack count. . The same with Strahan. point is..... with in the parameters of today's game he'd still be a wrecking ball and most likely the best defender in the NFL. He wouldnt be be playing his same game of course but he his ability and athleticism would take over. for example.....Would Kahlil Mack play the same game in the late 80s as he does today? Of course not. once got into it with a Bears fan about Butkus vs LT one of Da Bears fan first points was Butkus had the head slap yeah, thanks for making my point LT with head slap = lethal |
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Post by TEM on Sept 19, 2020 11:34:57 GMT -5
In todays game he would have had to slow down and pull up to hit the QB. The would have affected his game. He would have lost sack count. . The same with Strahan. point is..... with in the parameters of today's game he'd still be a wrecking ball and most likely the best defender in the NFL. He wouldnt be be playing his same game of course but he his ability and athleticism would take over. for example.....Would Kahlil Mack play the same game in the late 80s as he does today? Of course not. Mack has 20 pounds on LT. He would have crushed it back then. The Average OT in the 80s was under 300 Lbs ( 282). Jombo Elliot 305 on draft day. At 315 Andrew Thomas would been Mount Andrew. Today AT is an average weight for an OT. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 19, 2020 11:40:21 GMT -5
point is..... with in the parameters of today's game he'd still be a wrecking ball and most likely the best defender in the NFL. He wouldnt be be playing his same game of course but he his ability and athleticism would take over. for example.....Would Kahlil Mack play the same game in the late 80s as he does today? Of course not. Mack has 20 pounds on LT. He would have crushed it back then. The Average OT in the 80s was under 300 Lbs. Jombo Elliot 305 on draft day. At 315 Andrew Thomas would been Mount Andrew. Today AT is an average weight for an OT. What’s your point? Are you insinuating that LT would have been an average player in today’s game? |
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Post by TEM on Sept 19, 2020 11:45:57 GMT -5
Mack has 20 pounds on LT. He would have crushed it back then. The Average OT in the 80s was under 300 Lbs. Jombo Elliot 305 on draft day. At 315 Andrew Thomas would been Mount Andrew. Today AT is an average weight for an OT. What’s your point? Are you insinuating that LT would have been an average player in today’s game? I am not claming anything. It was a diffrent game. With diffrent rules and sized players. Today's game with the size of the O-line and the QB protection rules would have hampered his stats and game. His number would not have been as good. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 19, 2020 11:52:31 GMT -5
What’s your point? Are you insinuating that LT would have been an average player in today’s game? I am not claming anything. It was a diffrent game. With diffrent rules and sized players. Today's game with the size of the O-line and the QB protection rules would have hampered his stats and game. His number would not have been as good. I’m going to give you another crack at this. You’re telling me, that Lawrence Taylor.. The best defender this league has ever seen, arguably the best player all time would not be as impactful in today’s game due to the size of the players? Put LT in this pass happy league with the pathetic offensive line play and he would double his sack totals. There’s not a tackle in this league who could have blocked LT in his prime. LT no matter what era would have dominated. I’m surprised you’re going this route with LT. To quote Bill Belichick. “We’re talking about Lawrence Taylor here.” |
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Post by Roswell on Sept 19, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -5
Lawrence Taylor is the personification of the words “shot out of a cannon.”
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Post by TEM on Sept 19, 2020 12:30:28 GMT -5
I am not claming anything. It was a diffrent game. With diffrent rules and sized players. Today's game with the size of the O-line and the QB protection rules would have hampered his stats and game. His number would not have been as good. I’m going to give you another crack at this. You’re telling me, that Lawrence Taylor.. The best defender this league has ever seen, arguably the best player all time would not be as impactful in today’s game due to the size of the players? Put LT in this pass happy league with the pathetic offensive line play and he would double his sack totals. There’s not a tackle in this league who could have blocked LT in his prime. LT no matter what era would have dominated. I’m surprised you’re going this route with LT. To quote Bill Belichick. “We’re talking about Lawrence Taylor here.” . With that his numbers would have. Jackey Slater was probably one of the best OTs that ever played the position. @ 277 Could he block a 315 -320 DT in todays game? He was great in his era . Today he would not have even been singed as UDFA let alone drafted. |
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