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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2020 14:09:20 GMT -5
Of course there is a learning curve but DJ's internal clock in the pocket must improve. At times he holds the ball too long after going through his progression's but he needs to take off and run. He has the physically ability to gain positive yards. Aside from making down and distance easier it would helps his oline as well. I did see some designed runs but he needs to make the decision to take off much faster. I don't expect him to be Lamar Jackson but DJ can run and he needs to use that to his advantage when his receivers are not open. Just a thought.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 10, 2020 14:25:29 GMT -5
Don't want him to get into the habit of becoming a 1 read then run guy(Kap,Tyrod Taylor,ect )but at tbe end of games sure
Also more RPO early could help establish the interior run game as well
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2020 14:52:56 GMT -5
He has been running a lot he won't make through the season if he keeps it up.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 10, 2020 15:32:16 GMT -5
yes I think he should run more to extend the play , right now we don't have the Oline for a pocket passer..
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Post by DandyDon on Oct 10, 2020 15:32:21 GMT -5
He should run less. And If his receivers could get open, he would.
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Post by McCherry on Oct 10, 2020 15:34:12 GMT -5
No.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 10, 2020 15:34:50 GMT -5
He should run less. And If his receivers could get open, he would. in a perfect world I'm sure he would run less but with our O line and receivers who aren't getting open his options are limited..
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Post by Roswell on Oct 10, 2020 15:45:37 GMT -5
He should’ve run one more time than he did on that last drive.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 10, 2020 15:49:26 GMT -5
Asking him to run more will make him more susceptible to fumbles. Which if you ask me I’ve seen enough to last me a life time. Also, he seems to think he’s in the backyard playing with his friends. Lowering his shoulder and trying to deliver hits. I wouldn’t stop him from running, it’s clearly another weapon for him. What he needs to fix is eyeing is 1st progression. The cat is out of the bag now, once his 1st progression isn’t open he’s tucking the football in and running.
Run when needed be, and try to become a better pocket passer. We won’t win a game if he’s our leading rusher every week. It’s time him and the receivers start making plays and God willing get into the end zone. If we can’t get 20+ points on the board against arguably an historically bad Cowboys defense we don’t deserve to win..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 15:49:38 GMT -5
He should’ve run one more time than he did on that last drive. 😎 Man. The End-zone was right there 😞
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 10, 2020 15:52:36 GMT -5
He should’ve run one more time than he did on that last drive. 😎 Man. The End-zone was right there 😞 He was told it’s the “red zone” so of course red means stop. I know what you’re thinking, and yes he’s a dope.
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Post by bavarobeast on Oct 10, 2020 16:04:48 GMT -5
Man. The End-zone was right there 😞 He was told it’s the “red zone” so of course red means stop. I know what you’re thinking, and yes he’s a dope. You’re opinions on DJ used to be closed minded and ridiculously off target. Now they are just off target and stale. Your college may off accepted dopes but Duke doesn’t. It was a bad decision but to call the kid a dope is pure nonsense.
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Post by TEM on Oct 10, 2020 16:12:58 GMT -5
No he is a QB not a RB . He needs to get his head right and play, make the passes he made last season.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 10, 2020 16:55:14 GMT -5
He was told it’s the “red zone” so of course red means stop. I know what you’re thinking, and yes he’s a dope. You’re opinions on DJ used to be closed minded and ridiculously off target. Now they are just off target and stale. Your college may off accepted dopes but Duke doesn’t. It was a bad decision but to call the kid a dope is pure nonsense. Look who it is, didn’t I tell you to go buy a sense of humor? What happened, couldn’t afford it? Since I’m a nice guy, I think we should all pitch in and get you a sense of humor. Because you’re as dry as two month old bread.. And since it’s almost Halloween, you can dress up as Daniel Jones doormat. You’re always defending him, you might as well allow him to walk all over you while you’re at it.
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Post by yoho on Oct 10, 2020 17:10:30 GMT -5
There's a point for a drop back passer when you have to either step up in the pocket or if no place to step up, get the fug-otta-dare. So in the process of getting the fug-otta-dare it turns into a run for yardage great, do it all day as long as he protects himself. But the problem is, that he is trying to get first downs because they are desporate for a win, and the way he is exposing himself is going to result in injury if he keeps it up. I think some designed runs, like read portion stuff is OK once in a while if it's there, but again, he has to protect himself.
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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2020 17:22:07 GMT -5
Don't want him to get into the habit of becoming a 1 read then run guy(Kap,Tyrod Taylor,ect )but at tbe end of games sure Also more RPO early could help establish the interior run game as well What I'm talking about is the internal clock hits a buzzer after he went through his progression then he needs to take off. Waiting to get hammered can equal a loss, fumble or injury. There comes a point where he can make a play with his legs. Yes don't want 1 read and run.
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Post by lt56 on Oct 10, 2020 17:49:25 GMT -5
Doesn't have to be a Run First QB with a bunch of Design Runs for him but it doesn't hurt to be able to move around a bit and make life easier for your Offensive Lineman
Would be even better if his Receivers can get Separation faster and make some plays after the catch. Also too, he cannot stare down his receivers and expect them to get separation
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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2020 18:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by mj312 on Oct 10, 2020 19:26:23 GMT -5
If he has the ability to run here and there for a few yards with a clear field he’s been good at taking it.. but he has to avoid contact at all costs and slide . He’s athletic enough to move the sticks here and there but he’s too susceptible to big hits . If he’s going to be the guy he needs to stay healthy .
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Post by McCherry on Oct 10, 2020 19:31:49 GMT -5
In planned situations I agree, But the Giants don't run any RPO's. These improvised scrambles get QB's hurt. The Giants should put Jones in situations where he has open field and can get to the sidelines safely. I just don't see it happening in Garrett's preschool offense.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Oct 10, 2020 19:33:35 GMT -5
He has been running a lot he won't make through the season if he keeps it up. QBs are heavily protected now. Defenders get fined for going for a kill shot even on a running QB. Running QBs are quickly becoming the norm. Personally I still prefer to watch a guy like Rodgers/Mahomes that can use his feet but is a passer first. But guys like Lamar and Josh Allen are also fun to watch. Both can obviously win games. When you have someone like DJ that has the ability to run when needed we should embrace it.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 10, 2020 20:28:11 GMT -5
the kid is going to have a hard time getting back in the groove. He's in his head/over focusing about turnovers and its messing him up more than its helping .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 20:34:14 GMT -5
We don’t need him to get creamed, now.
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Post by giants8493 on Oct 10, 2020 20:47:38 GMT -5
Garret said they are still looking for what they do well and the offense had its most success when he runs. I would expect more designed runs but I don't want this to turn into a long term habit
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Post by Martin on Oct 10, 2020 21:21:22 GMT -5
In planned situations I agree, But the Giants don't run any RPO's. These improvised scrambles get QB's hurt. The Giants should put Jones in situations where he has open field and can get to the sidelines safely. I just don't see it happening in Garrett's preschool offense. Its a double edged sword because if DJ waits too long he's gonna get rocked and could get hurt or run and get hurt. I guess once this oline gets better there will be more variety in Garrett's offense. Would love to see more 12 formation and see more of Smith so he can develop. Not a huge fan of Engram as he's kinda one dimensional.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 10, 2020 21:38:28 GMT -5
He has been running a lot he won't make through the season if he keeps it up. QBs are heavily protected now. Defenders get fined for going for a kill shot even on a running QB. Running QBs are quickly becoming the norm. Personally I still prefer to watch a guy like Rodgers/Mahomes that can use his feet but is a passer first. But guys like Lamar and Josh Allen are also fun to watch. Both can obviously win games. When you have someone like DJ that has the ability to run when needed we should embrace it. Running when possible yes but that hit he took on the sideline was close to endings his day and possibly his season, shoulder to shoulder big time hit he needs to avoid those.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 11, 2020 6:55:10 GMT -5
What he needs to do is start to just play the game and let it unfold. What the receivers need to do it get ****ing open!! At least one of them on each play. Then its up to Jones to find them. What the Oline can do is get cohesive. What the run game can is piggyback on last week and get a semi-decent game going What the TEs need to do is get their shit together What Garrett needs to do is find a way to get rhythm with this struggling offense. What Judge needs to do to continue to be the CEO and keep his roster enthused to play
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Post by tuckrule on Oct 11, 2020 7:00:04 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Jones should only run when every other option has been exhausted. He needs to stand tall in the pocket maybe extend the play a little bit with his legs and throw bullets to his receivers. No team will have success if their QB is also the RB. The QB's #1 priority is to throw the football to a place where his receivers can make a play. Not run around like a chicken with his head cut off
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 11, 2020 7:05:13 GMT -5
In planned situations I agree, But the Giants don't run any RPO's. These improvised scrambles get QB's hurt. The Giants should put Jones in situations where he has open field and can get to the sidelines safely. I just don't see it happening in Garrett's preschool offense. Its a double edged sword because if DJ waits too long he's gonna get rocked and could get hurt or run and get hurt. I guess once this oline gets better there will be more variety in Garrett's offense. Would love to see more 12 formation and see more of Smith so he can develop. Not a huge fan of Engram as he's kinda one dimensional. I think this sums it up well for me.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 11, 2020 8:14:42 GMT -5
I would be happy to see him press the edges more to keep the LB honest in their drops and challenge spacing in the opponent's secondary.
In other words, let's make the D a little less comfortable in their pre-snap sets.
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