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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 13, 2020 19:10:44 GMT -5
Both teams getting out of the Sewell range as well (can't have them get a free shot at the franchise LT the past 15 years )...... This is the first time I have ever thought this but who ever wins this division is hurting themselves big time you lose some draft ground for that award. All of these teams need as much as they can get Redskins front 4 is legit and they have an offense now with Alex Smith. I wouldn't want to face then in the playoffs.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 13, 2020 19:18:17 GMT -5
Philthy is going to win too
Giants came up small when the rest of div is doing what they have to
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2020 19:24:38 GMT -5
Philthy is going to win too Giants came up small when the rest of div is doing what they have to LOL I was so disappointed with this loss I was expecting a good game and when the defense hung in their thought I was gonna get one our special teams and offense let the team down.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 19:41:39 GMT -5
I'm not saying we do and I'm not saying we don't. I am saying unequivocally that I disagree with the idea that Hurts, Dalton or Smith playing for the Giants today makes that game a W or that replacing Jones with any of them makes the Giants a better team. Fair. I just don't know what Daniel Jones has done to make anybody confident with his ability or play. Even his best games this season were more about the things he didn't do (fumbles, INTs) than the things he did do (0 TDs). It's like he's graded on a curve. Even if you argue it's his second year, it's been a pretty godawful year. For all the comparisons people on the board make to Josh Allen's 2nd year, Allen had 20 TDs throwing to below average WRs. Daniel Jones has thrown 8 with 3 games left in the season. That's a brutal stat line. He had 75 yards passing today. That's a brutal stat line. The worst part is, he had 24 TDs last season with basically the same receivers and trash O-line. It's a pretty steep regression from year 1 to year 2. I'm stopping right there because I agree completely. I assume the rest is support of this point but it's unnecessary to me. I want him to be successful but if Judge is looking at these mistakes and thinking "I need to think about potentially getting a new QB", I can't blame him one bit.
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2020 19:44:50 GMT -5
Both teams getting out of the Sewell range as well (can't have them get a free shot at the franchise LT the past 15 years )...... This is the first time I have ever thought this but who ever wins this division is hurting themselves big time you lose some draft ground for that award. All of these teams need as much as they can get I agree. But man it would be nice to see the playoffs again
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 19:48:06 GMT -5
That's not what I said nor is that where my expectations as a fan are set. But I look at players in context because it's football, not baseball. If you are under the impression that simply swapping the QBs would have made any material difference to the outcome of this game, then yeah, we don't have much to discuss because I would find that assertion completely ludicrous. That said, I'm in no way shape or form happy with the performance the Giants have gotten from the QB position in most games this year. That's a separate issue. Unless I'm to pretend that other than the team that lost today getting no help from their QB, neither QB was the prime difference in this game. I just can't get with that simpleton football tee-vee talking head pablum. That's the kind of idiocy that splashes the "markus golden makes the Giants sorry" type of headline, sure it sells a few papers or gets a few clicks and sure some highly tepid thinkers and football PR people in the media will gobble that all up while nodding their heads and good for them. It's a form of bliss. Simply swapping QB's is futile, and the only person thats bringing up a swap is you. Lots of variables there that we'll never have any evidence off. What I can say is that in my opinion and based on the evidence presented, the Cardinals have their franchise QB. We do not. I'm bring it up because it informs the larger point and confirms that being surrounded by 10 other guys doing their jobs can be the difference in your ability to your job adequately. Jones suffered from that today, Murray didn't. I agree completely that the Giants do not know if they have their franchise QB yet and that foots with my personal view. The Cardinals may well be satisfied that they have theirs, and that's their call. I'm not there yet with him but he seems to be a good QB.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 19:50:11 GMT -5
These are the hot takes i LOL at after a loss It is funny it's either hind sight which shows Allen Murray or Mayfield might have been better choices 2 out of those three we had no shot at. I will take Jones over anyone from his class when healthy still. I'm still of the too soon to tell mindset. None of those three excite me all that much.
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Post by GameTime on Dec 13, 2020 19:52:16 GMT -5
Philthy is going to win too Giants came up small when the rest of div is doing what they have to LOL I was so disappointed with this loss I was expecting a good game and when the defense hung in their thought I was gonna get one our special teams and offense let the team down. yep..... offense totally blew it
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Post by thetruth on Dec 13, 2020 19:57:22 GMT -5
Simply swapping QB's is futile, and the only person thats bringing up a swap is you. Lots of variables there that we'll never have any evidence off. What I can say is that in my opinion and based on the evidence presented, the Cardinals have their franchise QB. We do not. I'm bring it up because it informs the larger point and confirms that being surrounded by 10 other guys doing their jobs can be the difference in your ability to your job adequately. Jones suffered from that today, Murray didn't. I agree completely that the Giants do not know if they have their franchise QB yet and that foots with my personal view. The Cardinals may well be satisfied that they have theirs, and that's their call. I'm not there yet with him but he seems to be a good QB. agreed on his supporting cast being terrible today. However, we need Jones to be better in isolation, aside from the errors of his teammates. At the least, we need to see him improving in what he controls. His pocket footwork, and at a more fundamental level, his awareness of his the pass rush is so elementary. I dont see how he succeeds with this limitation.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2020 19:59:34 GMT -5
It is funny it's either hind sight which shows Allen Murray or Mayfield might have been better choices 2 out of those three we had no shot at. I will take Jones over anyone from his class when healthy still. I'm still of the too soon to tell mindset. None of those three excite me all that much. Agree 100% I think we gotta see Jones with a full year in what ever offense the are gonna be in healthy with some weapons and protection.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 13, 2020 20:35:37 GMT -5
I'm bring it up because it informs the larger point and confirms that being surrounded by 10 other guys doing their jobs can be the difference in your ability to your job adequately. Jones suffered from that today, Murray didn't. I agree completely that the Giants do not know if they have their franchise QB yet and that foots with my personal view. The Cardinals may well be satisfied that they have theirs, and that's their call. I'm not there yet with him but he seems to be a good QB. agreed on his supporting cast being terrible today. However, we need Jones to be better in isolation, aside from the errors of his teammates. At the least, we need to see him improving in what he controls. His pocket footwork, and at a more fundamental level, his awareness of his the pass rush is so elementary. I dont see how he succeeds with this limitation. I agree on those points. I also know that I’m a lot more patient than many here. I want this kid to be the one, hut I am far from convinced at this point. I know this is crazy but I think Judge puts a lot of pressure on him, to see how he reacts. Not only do I not have an issue with that, I prefer it. If this kid doesn’t have the makeup, let’s find that out now. Not a year from now.
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 13, 2020 20:36:27 GMT -5
I was ok with the Jones pick but thought they could have got him later in the round. I have seen the bright spots that give us hope. Today for the first time I let doubt seep in. I know he's playing injured and in hindsight he should not have played. His arm strength is fine--when he has the legs to plant off of. I'm still hopeful that his pocket awareness and fumbles can be improved. We have seen him display great accuracy. His running can be a deadly tool when used judiciously. The one thing that does concern me is his disposition when things aren't going well for him. If he does not look confident himself it will not inspire his teammates. The defense was put into impossible situations today and IMO they played well enough to trounce the Cards with even an average offense.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 13, 2020 22:10:46 GMT -5
I was ok with the Jones pick but thought they could have got him later in the round. I have seen the bright spots that give us hope. Today for the first time I let doubt seep in. I know he's playing injured and in hindsight he should not have played. His arm strength is fine--when he has the legs to plant off of. I'm still hopeful that his pocket awareness and fumbles can be improved. We have seen him display great accuracy. His running can be a deadly tool when used judiciously. The one thing that does concern me is his disposition when things aren't going well for him. If he does not look confident himself it will not inspire his teammates. The defense was put into impossible situations today and IMO they played well enough to trounce the Cards with even an average offense. Jones admitted in his presser he was holding the ball to long and put his OL in bad spots when there is nothing there he needs to just throw it away. He was making some progress before the injury of going through his progressions and getting rid of the ball. I will trust what Judge thinks as far as the QB goes he has the tools to be a good QB in the NFL.
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Post by ocgiant on Dec 13, 2020 23:18:36 GMT -5
We had the taste of the good life now it's back to reality & it was miserable too
Going back to the first Quarter, I could see the Offense was not in synch at all, the D played valiant fighting to limit the damage and give the O the opportunity to bounce back which never happened today
The Offense regressed as a unit and injured or not DJ put that question mark back over his head again today... sacks, turnovers and missed receivers
Special Teams has got to get it together... that is Judge's expertise, I guess I just expected more today
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 1:24:39 GMT -5
Jones looks rusty and uncomfortable back there.... You could have seen Jones was off/wrong/confused/hurting after his 2nd offensive series and first couple throws....this when he was getting plenty of time to throw (missed blocking assignment on Golden aside) Odd how the coaching staff missed this...fortunate DJ did not throw any picks
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Post by giantsalmon on Dec 14, 2020 13:26:01 GMT -5
Jones looks rusty and uncomfortable back there.... You could have seen Jones was off/wrong/confused/hurting after his 2nd offensive series and first couple throws....this when he was getting plenty of time to throw (missed blocking assignment on Golden aside) Odd how the coaching staff missed this...fortunate DJ did not throw any picks Missed blocking assignment was a gamechanger--Fleming if I'm not mistaken. We saw more of Peart after that but damage was done.
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