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Post by McCherry on Feb 24, 2021 19:02:18 GMT -5
That would be surprising. Smith doesn’t have any elite physical traits, and teams get enamored with traits.... I agree, but none of the top 3 have what you would call "elite" physical traits. But I haven't seen any mock where Smith falls.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2021 20:42:19 GMT -5
either or neither if Chase is there. Chase is most likely the first receiver off the board. Heres to hoping opting out might cause an out of sight out of mind type thing.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2021 20:47:37 GMT -5
Smith doesn’t have any elite physical traits, and teams get enamored with traits.... I agree, but none of the top 3 have what you would call "elite" physical traits. But I haven't seen any mock where Smith falls. Waddle has elite speed. Pitts and Chase have elite size.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 24, 2021 20:50:08 GMT -5
Chase is most likely the first receiver off the board. Heres to hoping opting out might cause an out of sight out of mind type thing. HaHa, ok we can hope so. May we never lose hope.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2021 20:52:11 GMT -5
I agree, but none of the top 3 have what you would call "elite" physical traits. But I haven't seen any mock where Smith falls. Waddle has elite speed. Pitts and Chase have elite size. Chase is a lot like Nicks but faster and more athletic warrior when the ball is in the air and takes it personally if he doesn't win it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2021 20:54:12 GMT -5
I agree, but none of the top 3 have what you would call "elite" physical traits. But I haven't seen any mock where Smith falls. Waddle has elite speed. Pitts and Chase have elite size. A lot to chew on with these 4 guys really 4 completely different types of weapons here. They all win in different ways with different skill sets.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2021 21:33:29 GMT -5
Waddle has elite speed. Pitts and Chase have elite size. A lot to chew on with these 4 guys really 4 completely different types of weapons here. They all win in different ways with different skill sets. All 4 would be that instant upgrade that defenses would have to fear
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Post by McCherry on Feb 24, 2021 21:41:19 GMT -5
I agree, but none of the top 3 have what you would call "elite" physical traits. But I haven't seen any mock where Smith falls. Waddle has elite speed. Pitts and Chase have elite size. Well Chase at 6’0” 208 isn’t the model of physicality. Smith has elite production. The bowl game was insane, people won’t ignore how he makes things happen on the field. Look, I don’t have a problem taking any of them.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 25, 2021 7:30:37 GMT -5
Waddle has elite speed. Pitts and Chase have elite size. Well Chase at 6’0” 208 isn’t the model of physicality. Smith has elite production. The bowl game was insane, people won’t ignore how he makes things happen on the field. Look, I don’t have a problem taking any of them. Nor do I ... not saying that I agree with this mentality...just that I can see it happening. Actually, would love to see it happen so that we can snap up Smith at 11.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 25, 2021 7:36:31 GMT -5
That would be surprising. Smith doesn’t have any elite physical traits, and teams get enamored with traits.... size wise no... but he is fast, quick, crisp route runner, great body control, great vision for the field and the game, great hands. he has plenty of elite physical traits.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2021 7:42:09 GMT -5
Smith doesn’t have any elite physical traits, and teams get enamored with traits.... size wise no... but he is fast, quick, crisp route runner, great body control, great vision for the field and the game, great hands. he has plenty of elite physical traits. Kinda like Odell
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Post by GameTime on Feb 25, 2021 7:45:08 GMT -5
size wise no... but he is fast, quick, crisp route runner, great body control, great vision for the field and the game, great hands. he has plenty of elite physical traits. Kinda like Odell OB more solidly built but as we have seen in the NFL size really does not matter when it comes to injury or NFL longevity. Every week huge men get hurt for various reasons. Smith's slight frame will not be an issue for his success or failure in the NFL
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2021 8:02:38 GMT -5
OB more solidly built but as we have seen in the NFL size really does not matter when it comes to injury or NFL longevity. Every week huge men get hurt for various reasons. Smith's slight frame will not be an issue for his success or failure in the NFL Agreed Like I said either one of the 3 WRs or Pitts and I'm happy at 11
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 25, 2021 8:09:44 GMT -5
Chase.
Out of those 2, Smith due to Waddle being injured. Waddle still is a great WR prospect though.
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Post by southerner on Feb 25, 2021 8:26:51 GMT -5
Since both of these WRs should go in the first 15 to 20 picks, I say neither. Picking a player who might touch the ball 7 to 9 times a game, at the most, in the high first round is foolish for a rebuilding team like the Giants. A TE still seems unlikely, but certainly more realistic than a WR, especially in a draft teeming with good WR prospects. The Giants.should and hopefully will trade down in the first to get more pick(s) during the top three rounds.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 25, 2021 8:27:06 GMT -5
Smith doesn’t have any elite physical traits, and teams get enamored with traits.... size wise no... but he is fast, quick, crisp route runner, great body control, great vision for the field and the game, great hands. he has plenty of elite physical traits. Reportedly, he is a 4.5-4.6 runner, which not elite. I also think that it was a red-flag that he declined to get measured at the Senior Bowl. Again, though, I love the kid and would be ecstatic if he fell to us at 11.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2021 8:36:55 GMT -5
size wise no... but he is fast, quick, crisp route runner, great body control, great vision for the field and the game, great hands. he has plenty of elite physical traits. Reportedly, he is a 4.5-4.6 runner, which not elite. I also think that it was a red-flag that he declined to get measured at the Senior Bowl. Again, though, I love the kid and would be ecstatic if he fell to us at 11. There is no way he is slower than 4.5,not with how he would blow past defenses up top or with the ball in his hands ..
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Post by jimmieray on Feb 25, 2021 8:58:05 GMT -5
Since both of these WRs should go in the first 15 to 20 picks, I say neither. Picking a player who might touch the ball 7 to 9 times a game, at the most, in the high first round is foolish for a rebuilding team like the Giants. A TE still seems unlikely, but certainly more realistic than a WR, especially in a draft teeming with good WR prospects. The Giants.should and hopefully will trade down in the first to get more pick(s) during the top three rounds. This could be true under other circumstances, but a number of things have us needing to do this early in the draft. I certainly don't like the idea of paying record setting contracts for a player who gets limited touches, though. Hopefully once we get a solid core of a team assembled, we can use the draft a lot smarter.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2021 10:52:23 GMT -5
Since both of these WRs should go in the first 15 to 20 picks, I say neither. Picking a player who might touch the ball 7 to 9 times a game, at the most, in the high first round is foolish for a rebuilding team like the Giants. A TE still seems unlikely, but certainly more realistic than a WR, especially in a draft teeming with good WR prospects. The Giants.should and hopefully will trade down in the first to get more pick(s) during the top three rounds. This could be true under other circumstances, but a number of things have us needing to do this early in the draft. I certainly don't like the idea of paying record setting contracts for a player who gets limited touches, though. Hopefully once we get a solid core of a team assembled, we can use the draft a lot smarter. And waiting till.....because....... Fill the roster up with talent at this position then draft replacements at your leisure so we don't have to pay these guys And yet we have fans that want to pay 95 million for overglorified possession recievers here
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 25, 2021 11:37:46 GMT -5
Today on nfl channel on the Good Morning show Nate Burrelsen showed a collage of Devonte Smith route running. Very impressive. He is somewhere between 165 and 170 tops, don't care what they list him at.
But this young man has so many moves he looks impossible to cover. And not only a deep threat but tremendous routes runner. I was really impressed. And he has real good hands as well.
Burrelson feels Smith is a top 5 pick. Chase has to be the first receiver taken I feel. But Miami at #3 WR, now what the hell does Atlanta do ? Philly at #6 could go receiver.
So the guy I like least Waddle could still be there at #11. But damn I'm rooting for Smith to be there.
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Post by jimmieray on Feb 25, 2021 11:54:20 GMT -5
This could be true under other circumstances, but a number of things have us needing to do this early in the draft. I certainly don't like the idea of paying record setting contracts for a player who gets limited touches, though. Hopefully once we get a solid core of a team assembled, we can use the draft a lot smarter. And waiting till.....because....... Fill the roster up with talent at this position then draft replacements at your leisure so we don't have to pay these guys And yet we have fans that want to pay 95 million for overglorified possession recievers here Seems like a lot of fans get very attached to certain receivers - I realize they are usually at the end of big plays, highlights, the face you recognize... and probably that can draw fans and sell merchandise. Can also kill your versatility with remaining personnel and the cap these days.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 25, 2021 12:20:04 GMT -5
Today on nfl channel on the Good Morning show Nate Burrelsen showed a collage of Devonte Smith route running. Very impressive. He is somewhere between 165 and 170 tops, don't care what they list him at. But this young man has so many moves he looks impossible to cover. And not only a deep threat but tremendous routes runner. I was really impressed. And he has real good hands as well. Burrelson feels Smith is a top 5 pick. Chase has to be the first receiver taken I feel. But Miami at #3 WR, now what the hell does Atlanta do ? Philly at #6 could go receiver. So the guy I like least Waddle could still be there at #11. But damn I'm rooting for Smith to be there. He's probably the same height/weight as Marvin Harrison coming out. That worked out okay
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Post by thetruth on Feb 25, 2021 12:20:54 GMT -5
As long as we dont ask Waddle/Smith to play X they will thrive. Only big issue for both is beating press coverage
Playing the z or slot will give them space to work around press while still being the teams #1 option
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2021 12:30:45 GMT -5
As long as we dont ask Waddle/Smith to play X they will thrive. Only big issue for both is beating press coverage Playing the z or slot will give them space to work around press while still being the teams #1 option Let them run option routes from all over the field in a hybrid system (Kitchens getting a more active role in the offense tells me this is going to be a possibility)
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Post by Nick6475 on Feb 25, 2021 16:06:06 GMT -5
Today on nfl channel on the Good Morning show Nate Burrelsen showed a collage of Devonte Smith route running. Very impressive. He is somewhere between 165 and 170 tops, don't care what they list him at. But this young man has so many moves he looks impossible to cover. And not only a deep threat but tremendous routes runner. I was really impressed. And he has real good hands as well. Burrelson feels Smith is a top 5 pick. Chase has to be the first receiver taken I feel. But Miami at #3 WR, now what the hell does Atlanta do ? Philly at #6 could go receiver. So the guy I like least Waddle could still be there at #11. But damn I'm rooting for Smith to be there. The only teams the Giants should need to "worry" about are the Dolphins, Eagles, Lions (especially if they lose Galladay) and maybe the Panthers.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 25, 2021 18:41:00 GMT -5
Today on nfl channel on the Good Morning show Nate Burrelsen showed a collage of Devonte Smith route running. Very impressive. He is somewhere between 165 and 170 tops, don't care what they list him at. But this young man has so many moves he looks impossible to cover. And not only a deep threat but tremendous routes runner. I was really impressed. And he has real good hands as well. Burrelson feels Smith is a top 5 pick. Chase has to be the first receiver taken I feel. But Miami at #3 WR, now what the hell does Atlanta do ? Philly at #6 could go receiver. So the guy I like least Waddle could still be there at #11. But damn I'm rooting for Smith to be there. He's probably the same height/weight as Marvin Harrison coming out. That worked out okay And also it's not exactly the same I know, but remember they said Lamar Jackson was to thin also.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 25, 2021 18:43:47 GMT -5
Today on nfl channel on the Good Morning show Nate Burrelsen showed a collage of Devonte Smith route running. Very impressive. He is somewhere between 165 and 170 tops, don't care what they list him at. But this young man has so many moves he looks impossible to cover. And not only a deep threat but tremendous routes runner. I was really impressed. And he has real good hands as well. Burrelson feels Smith is a top 5 pick. Chase has to be the first receiver taken I feel. But Miami at #3 WR, now what the hell does Atlanta do ? Philly at #6 could go receiver. So the guy I like least Waddle could still be there at #11. But damn I'm rooting for Smith to be there. The only teams the Giants should need to "worry" about are the Dolphins, Eagles, Lions (especially if they lose Galladay) and maybe the Panthers. Maybe N.E. or S.F. trade up for one of those teams for a QB. But also Atlanta might not go QB.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 25, 2021 19:21:54 GMT -5
The only teams the Giants should need to "worry" about are the Dolphins, Eagles, Lions (especially if they lose Galladay) and maybe the Panthers. Maybe N.E. or S.F. trade up for one of those teams for a QB. But also Atlanta might not go QB. I just saw a mock that had Atlanta trading back to 8 and taking Najee Haris
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Post by cocktailkerry on Feb 25, 2021 20:44:13 GMT -5
Jaylen Waddle has the versatility that Joe Judge covets, as a lot of teams do with his special teams ability. While both Waddle and Devonta Smith are kind of slight in build, Waddle carries the weight a little better. Devonta Smith might be more polished at this point, especially with route running, but Waddle has improved at this greatly. Waddle is the better athlete and will prove so with measurables at the Pro Day. Waddle is more explosive and better in space, which the Giants desperately need. If I had to choose betwen the two, I would take Waddle. To comment on the Kyle Pitts chatter, I don't think the Giants would or should select him unless there is a robust trade market for Evan Engram. Neither of the two can really block all that well which would make it tough to put both on the field at the same time. I think they have to go WR, Edge, or Corner in round 1. I am really doubting Jamar Chase, Smith, or Waddle will be available at 11.
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Post by Nick6475 on Feb 26, 2021 10:56:12 GMT -5
The only teams the Giants should need to "worry" about are the Dolphins, Eagles, Lions (especially if they lose Galladay) and maybe the Panthers. Maybe N.E. or S.F. trade up for one of those teams for a QB. But also Atlanta might not go QB. Atlanta has all sorts of issues on their defense and they already have Jones and Ridley...maybe they take Pitts, but I don't see them going WR.
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