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Post by jmike on Mar 24, 2021 18:14:01 GMT -5
The missing piece in the Giants offense is a dynamic, explosive, route-running YAC Home-Run receiver. I like Waddle, he's a fighter.
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Post by jmike on Mar 24, 2021 18:15:32 GMT -5
Fackrell to the Chargers. Another edge piece gone. I'm disappointed by this, I really wanted him back.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 24, 2021 18:17:10 GMT -5
Fackrell to the Chargers. Another edge piece gone. Yawn
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Post by GameTime on Mar 24, 2021 18:23:03 GMT -5
Fackrell to the Chargers. Another edge piece gone. he wont be missed. He was ok but his contribuitons will be made up for. I thought he would have been more disruptive than he was. Nice player but replaceable
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 24, 2021 18:40:56 GMT -5
Fackrell was 2nd on the team in sacks. 4th in TFL
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Post by GameTime on Mar 24, 2021 18:44:28 GMT -5
Fackrell was 2nd on the team in sacks. 4th in TFL 4 sacks and 7 TFLs. nice but.....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 24, 2021 18:46:41 GMT -5
Fackrell was 2nd on the team in sacks. 4th in TFL 4 sacks and 7 TFLs. nice but..... 9 games. I'm not saying he is JJ Watt but he was one of the better players on our defensive line last year in limited time. Ximines or Carter need to step up.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 24, 2021 18:49:05 GMT -5
4 sacks and 7 TFLs. nice but..... 9 games. I'm not saying he is JJ Watt but he was one of the better players on our defensive line last year in limited time. Ximines or Carter need to step up. no doubt.....most of the LB roster has to step up regardless of whether Fackrell was here or not.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 24, 2021 19:01:52 GMT -5
4 sacks and 7 TFLs. nice but..... 9 games. I'm not saying he is JJ Watt but he was one of the better players on our defensive line last year in limited time. Ximines or Carter need to step up. Carter showed better ability before he got hurt. I like X better as well. A lot of these guys will benefit from a 'sticky' secondary. They will produce I think EDGE is the biggest need. But Fack is just a guy
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Post by jmike on Mar 24, 2021 19:17:35 GMT -5
9 games. I'm not saying he is JJ Watt but he was one of the better players on our defensive line last year in limited time. Ximines or Carter need to step up. Carter showed better ability before he got hurt. I like X better as well. A lot of these guys will benefit from a 'sticky' secondary. They will produce I think EDGE is the biggest need. But Fack is just a guy Just a versatile guy. A player doesn't need to be great to have a positive impact. He is a good guy to have behind your starters because he can play both inside and outside, play the run, cover and rush the passer. I'd rather have Fackrell than Ragland and Downs.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 24, 2021 19:22:44 GMT -5
Carter seems like a he will be one of those "almost" players. Same with Xman. Hope not just have a gut feeling about it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 19:24:37 GMT -5
No big deal. I think Coughlin showed enough to influence DG thought process
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 24, 2021 19:25:39 GMT -5
Carter seems like a he will be one of those "almost" players. Same with Xman. Hope not just have a gut feeling about it I get that feeling too. This is Carters 4th season. Crazy.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 24, 2021 19:33:49 GMT -5
If you are going to roll guard at 11, take Alijah Vera-Tucker, the best OL in the draft, but purely a guard. Though played well at tackle even still. This Vera-Tucker from USC I am starting to see his name in Mocks for Giants at #11. I missed USC's pro day wanted to see him. Ya know Slater weighed in at 304 on his pro day. I don't think thats big enough to run behind at Guard. He'll be facing DT's and NT's anywhere from 10-30 lbs heavier. He's suppose to move them aside for Saquon ? The DT's won't bull rush him and push him back into Jones on pass plays ?
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 24, 2021 19:38:29 GMT -5
Some of the players I have as top guys for their position right now. Order is pretty loose and some guys are just left off for concerns I am in no position to evaluate (like Parsons) Guard Vera-Tucker Sewell Davis Slater Carman Dickerson Trey Smith David Moore Kraemer Tackle Sewell Jenkins Radunz Darrisaw Slater Carman Center Humphrey Dickerson Myers Hill TE Pitts Freiermuth Hunter Long John Bates WR Chase Waddle Smith Bateman Toney Rondale Moore Marshall Eskridge Amari Rogers Seth Williams Anthony Schwartz Dazz Newsome Dez Fitzpatrick Frank Darby (Probably more I'm forgetting right now) RB Etienne Harris Carter Jermar Jefferson Kylin Hill Rhamondre Stevenson Jaret Patterson DL Nixon Twyman Tufele Shelvin Edge guys (DE/OLB) Phillips Ossai Jones II Perkins Rasheed Oweh Odeyingbo LB Z Collins Jamin Davis Owusu-Koramoah McGrone Bolton Surratt CB Surtain Horn Newsome Melifonwu Adebo Kelvin Joseph Mukuamu Keith Taylor Jr S Holland Gillespie Grant Sterns Ar'Darius Washington Paris Ford jmike did you leave Rousseou's name off of the edge rushers on purpose ? Most mocks have him as best edge in the draft ? And Kwity Paye ?
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Post by GameTime on Mar 24, 2021 19:39:06 GMT -5
If you are going to roll guard at 11, take Alijah Vera-Tucker, the best OL in the draft, but purely a guard. Though played well at tackle even still. This Vera-Tucker from USC I am starting to see his name in Mocks for Giants at #11. I missed USC's pro day wanted to see him. Ya know Slater weighed in at 304 on his pro day. I don't think thats big enough to run behind at Guard. He'll be facing DT's and NT's anywhere from 10-30 lbs heavier. He's suppose to move them aside for Saquon ? The DT's won't bull rush him and push him back into Jones on pass plays ? funny how 304 is light....lol even older profiles have "only" at 315.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 24, 2021 19:41:51 GMT -5
Carter seems like a he will be one of those "almost" players. Same with Xman. Hope not just have a gut feeling about it Giving them the label “almost” is saying they had something. Carter has been a disappointment since the day he was drafted. As for Ximines who showed some flashes his rookie year. Has to bounce back after an injury filled season. I rather roll the dice with two tackling dummies at the edge over those two.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 24, 2021 19:47:45 GMT -5
Carter seems like a he will be one of those "almost" players. Same with Xman. Hope not just have a gut feeling about it Giving them the label “almost” is saying they had something. Carter has been a disappointment since the day he was drafted. As for Ximines who showed some flashes his rookie year. Has to bounce back after an injury filled season. I rather roll the dice with two tackling dummies at the edge over those two. rough crowd I tell ya......rough crowd!!
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 24, 2021 20:00:06 GMT -5
It's funny how many peeps think trading down is easy. As if that's an option to every GM, every draft, at almost every draft position.
Don't like anyone at 11? Just trade down!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 20:01:59 GMT -5
Carter seems like a he will be one of those "almost" players. Same with Xman. Hope not just have a gut feeling about it Carter's agent may have told him to become a better coverage LB based on the team's movements this offseason. We never know. Bradberry all of a sudden became a top 5 corner for no reason? Na, he had a great team in his corner and believed in their opinions. Nothing is clear from the inside in, you always need that outside perspective. That's why CEOs establish a board with majority of the people having zero experience in that field.
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 24, 2021 20:06:37 GMT -5
Carter seems like a he will be one of those "almost" players. Same with Xman. Hope not just have a gut feeling about it Carter's agent may have told him to become a better coverage LB based on the team's movements this offseason. We never know. Bradberry all of a sudden became a top 5 corner for no reason? Na, he had a great team in his corner and believed in their opinions. Nothing is clear from the inside in, you always need that outside perspective. I think Carter is our best Edge Guy . The injury came at a bad time but I hope he picks up where he left off. I also think we will see a lot of Coughlin Carter and Cam Brown on 3rd and long packages also. I like Cam Brown if he can gain some weight and keep his speed in coverage he could get more starting time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 20:10:55 GMT -5
Carter's agent may have told him to become a better coverage LB based on the team's movements this offseason. We never know. Bradberry all of a sudden became a top 5 corner for no reason? Na, he had a great team in his corner and believed in their opinions. Nothing is clear from the inside in, you always need that outside perspective. I think Carter is our best Edge Guy . The injury came at a bad time but I hope he picks up where he left off. I also think we will see a lot of Coughlin Carter and Cam Brown on 3rd and long packages also. I like Cam Brown if he can gain some weight and keep his speed in coverage he could get more starting time. They def used Carter at 4-3 DE & 3-4 OLB so he has value for us. He just needs to get better at one thing to stamp his place in the LG. Coughlin can be a sleeper if he develops
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Post by McCherry on Mar 24, 2021 20:14:26 GMT -5
I think Slater could be Garretts Zack Martin. He's very similar in that he's a pro bowl OG prospect that could be an excellent OT. Daniel Jeremiah has him as his #6 overall propsect and had this to say: "Slater is a slightly undersized tackle prospect. He plays with outstanding knee bend, foot quickness and balance. He explodes out of his stance in the passing game and does an excellent job of re-working his hands to maintain inside position. Slater gives a little ground versus power before dropping his weight and anchoring late. His best trait is his ability to recover when he finds himself in a bad position. In the run game, he plays with quickness and urgency when working up to the second level. He takes great angles and is one of the best I've seen when it comes to cutting off linebackers. He doesn't have elite power to knock back defenders over his nose, but he does a good job of running his feet and staying attached. He has excellent awareness. Overall, Slater might lack ideal length, but it doesn't hinder him and I believe he can excel at left tackle. If a team chooses to play him inside, he should quickly develop into a Pro Bowl guard." Also, he trains with elite OL trainer Duke Manyweather who worked with Becton last year. He's the best in the business and Hernendez is working with him this offseason as well, hope he improves. I do wonder what the Giants think of him which is what ultimately matters. To me? Slater could play any position on our OL and be better than what we currently have. Yeah, not seeing it. I also can't wrap my brain around the logic that puts him in the top of the draft. Prior to 2020 college season most of these same people placing him at the top of round 1 were calling him a 2nd round pick. How did he move up so much in their eyes by not playing in 2020? Absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe? I don’t see how a rookie OT who will have missed 20 months of football by training camp is the best use of resources. I could see a Guard take later for depth. I don’t see the need for another Tackle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 20:16:48 GMT -5
Yeah, not seeing it. I also can't wrap my brain around the logic that puts him in the top of the draft. Prior to 2020 college season most of these same people placing him at the top of round 1 were calling him a 2nd round pick. How did he move up so much in their eyes by not playing in 2020? Absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe? I don’t see how a rookie OT who will have missed 20 months of football by training camp is the best use of resources. I could see a Guard take later for depth. I don’t see the need for another Tackle. I don't trust any players who opted out of 2020. Solder and Beal included. If you love to compete you play. If it's about living off your last season (college, aka Chase), or chilling and collecting a check for a year (Beal NFL) then I don't want you on the squad.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 24, 2021 20:18:35 GMT -5
I don’t see how a rookie OT who will have missed 20 months of football by training camp is the best use of resources. I could see a Guard take later for depth. I don’t see the need for another Tackle. I don't trust any players who opted out of 2020. Solder and Beal included why? Solder's situation certainly warranted it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 20:20:33 GMT -5
I don't trust any players who opted out of 2020. Solder and Beal included why? Solder's situation certainly warranted it I edited my post
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 24, 2021 20:28:57 GMT -5
Loved this guy's film break down last year. For those interested, here's a quick video on Slater:
If we draft him at #11, I'll be happy.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 25, 2021 0:00:13 GMT -5
Loved this guy's film break down last year. For those interested, here's a quick video on Slater: If we draft him at #11, I'll be happy. 100%. He's the guy if he's there at #11. The people whos opinion I trust most when evaluating OL's say he's the best, ill take their word for it. Unless Bengals/Eagles/Cowboys get him first. I suspect the Cowboys will draft him, they typically get their evals right on the OL
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Post by jmike on Mar 25, 2021 7:34:24 GMT -5
Some of the players I have as top guys for their position right now. Order is pretty loose and some guys are just left off for concerns I am in no position to evaluate (like Parsons) Guard Vera-Tucker Sewell Davis Slater Carman Dickerson Trey Smith David Moore Kraemer Tackle Sewell Jenkins Radunz Darrisaw Slater Carman Center Humphrey Dickerson Myers Hill TE Pitts Freiermuth Hunter Long John Bates WR Chase Waddle Smith Bateman Toney Rondale Moore Marshall Eskridge Amari Rogers Seth Williams Anthony Schwartz Dazz Newsome Dez Fitzpatrick Frank Darby (Probably more I'm forgetting right now) RB Etienne Harris Carter Jermar Jefferson Kylin Hill Rhamondre Stevenson Jaret Patterson DL Nixon Twyman Tufele Shelvin Edge guys (DE/OLB) Phillips Ossai Jones II Perkins Rasheed Oweh Odeyingbo LB Z Collins Jamin Davis Owusu-Koramoah McGrone Bolton Surratt CB Surtain Horn Newsome Melifonwu Adebo Kelvin Joseph Mukuamu Keith Taylor Jr S Holland Gillespie Grant Sterns Ar'Darius Washington Paris Ford jmike did you leave Rousseou's name off of the edge rushers on purpose ? Most mocks have him as best edge in the draft ? And Kwity Paye ? Yeah, I haven't decided on those two yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 7:57:19 GMT -5
Carter's agent may have told him to become a better coverage LB based on the team's movements this offseason. We never know. Bradberry all of a sudden became a top 5 corner for no reason? Na, he had a great team in his corner and believed in their opinions. Nothing is clear from the inside in, you always need that outside perspective. I think Carter is our best Edge Guy . The injury came at a bad time but I hope he picks up where he left off. I also think we will see a lot of Coughlin Carter and Cam Brown on 3rd and long packages also. I like Cam Brown if he can gain some weight and keep his speed in coverage he could get more starting time. Carter could very well be cut if his injury doesn't heal quicker than most who have had it.. Just ask Connelly how this group deals with "yet to prove themselves" players after they are injured..
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