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Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2021 18:54:25 GMT -5
He is the 3rd best prospect in this draft. I was hoping the "off the field" issues make him slide. I doubt that Gettleman would even take him, if he even fell to us after getting burned on that Baker pick. Coach Chaos knows what this kid is all about and Joe Judge attended his Pro Day. He is definitely in play at 11 |
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 25, 2021 19:21:44 GMT -5
I don't like Parsons's responses to the allegations and behavior in the past. I haven't heard any apologies...just a "I was a 17, 18 year old kid, we all make mistakes." Parsons even said he doesn't want to be a part of a program that will judge him based on his behavior in the past. lol, the ego on this guy is enormous. I wouldn't apologize. It would be pretty dumb too if someone can still sue you. There is no proof he did anything either after multiple investigation by the college and police. I get that form a legal perspective but he can sounds more regretful instead of having a "take me or leave me" attitude. Parsons came across as a spoiled athlete (heard Penn State covered up for him) similar to Baker..but more well spoken. Bucky Brooks has known him since high school and called him immature and a bit worried about him in a video. He doesn't normally do stuff like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 20:11:03 GMT -5
I doubt that Gettleman would even take him, if he even fell to us after getting burned on that Baker pick. Coach Chaos knows what this kid is all about and Joe Judge attended his Pro Day. He is definitely in play at 11 Could also be some smoke?...let the Cowboys think we "would" take him for a PS2 drop, or OL... (still can't see Mara good with this signing) Everybody knew he was going to run nearly as fast as Oweh..they even have a famed race. Not sure why when a freak athlete finally does freak workouts, they think scouts are somewhat shocked. I would LOVE Parsons the on the field 5 star freak athlete....character concerns are one thing, but this Sandusky stuff might be too ugly for Mara. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 25, 2021 20:22:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't apologize. It would be pretty dumb too if someone can still sue you. There is no proof he did anything either after multiple investigation by the college and police. I get that form a legal perspective but he can sounds more regretful instead of having a "take me or leave me" attitude. Parsons came across as a spoiled athlete (heard Penn State covered up for him) similar to Baker..but more well spoken. Bucky Brooks has known him since high school and called him immature and a bit worried about him in a video. He doesn't normally do stuff like that. Well whatever the truth is the Giants and other NFL teams will do their own risk assessment on where on their big board he lands. |
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 25, 2021 20:29:49 GMT -5
Coach Chaos knows what this kid is all about and Joe Judge attended his Pro Day. He is definitely in play at 11 Could also be some smoke?...let the Cowboys think we "would" take him for a PS2 drop, or OL... (still can't see Mara good with this signing) Everybody knew he was going to run nearly as fast as Oweh..they even have a famed race. Not sure why when a freak athlete finally does freak workouts, they think scouts are somewhat shocked. I would LOVE Parsons the on the field 5 star freak athlete....character concerns are one thing, but this Sandusky stuff might be too ugly for Mara. I don’t think that they would go to those lengths to create a diversion ... but you never know I guess |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 20:40:39 GMT -5
I don't like Parsons's responses to the allegations and behavior in the past. I haven't heard any apologies...just a "I was a 17, 18 year old kid, we all make mistakes." Parsons even said he doesn't want to be a part of a program that will judge him based on his behavior in the past. lol, the ego on this guy is enormous. I wouldn't apologize. It would be pretty dumb too if someone can still sue you. There is no proof he did anything either after multiple investigation by the college and police. Well, if Mara clears him as have the cops, and he drops...he's our pick, and we might then be a legit 3 down 10 plus sack edge guy from having a superbowl defense as Parsons runs nuts at the second level. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 25, 2021 20:43:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't apologize. It would be pretty dumb too if someone can still sue you. There is no proof he did anything either after multiple investigation by the college and police. Well, if Mara clears him as have the cops, and he drops...he's our pick, and we might then be a legit 3 down 10 plus sack edge guy from having a superbowl defense as Parsons runs nuts at the second level. He could be a 10 sack guy from all over the field...yes he plays a lot inside but he started out as an edge rusher ... |
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Post by straightrazorman on Mar 25, 2021 21:06:00 GMT -5
Coach Chaos knows what this kid is all about and Joe Judge attended his Pro Day. He is definitely in play at 11 Could also be some smoke?...let the Cowboys think we "would" take him for a PS2 drop, or OL... (still can't see Mara good with this signing) Everybody knew he was going to run nearly as fast as Oweh..they even have a famed race. Not sure why when a freak athlete finally does freak workouts, they think scouts are somewhat shocked. I would LOVE Parsons the on the field 5 star freak athlete....character concerns are one thing, but this Sandusky stuff might be too ugly for Mara. But not for Jerry Jones...and they pick before us. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 25, 2021 21:32:00 GMT -5
Could also be some smoke?...let the Cowboys think we "would" take him for a PS2 drop, or OL... (still can't see Mara good with this signing) Everybody knew he was going to run nearly as fast as Oweh..they even have a famed race. Not sure why when a freak athlete finally does freak workouts, they think scouts are somewhat shocked. I would LOVE Parsons the on the field 5 star freak athlete....character concerns are one thing, but this Sandusky stuff might be too ugly for Mara. But not for Jerry Jones...and they pick before us. Would make a ton of sense for them as Lee is gone,Vander Esch might not make it past his rookie deal and Jsylon Smith's knee is a ticking time bomb |
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Post by TEM on Mar 26, 2021 5:42:59 GMT -5
I don't like Parsons's responses to the allegations and behavior in the past. I haven't heard any apologies...just a "I was a 17, 18 year old kid, we all make mistakes." Parsons even said he doesn't want to be a part of a program that will judge him based on his behavior in the past. lol, the ego on this guy is enormous. I wouldn't apologize. It would be pretty dumb too if someone can still sue you. There is no proof he did anything either after multiple investigation by the college and police. What does that say about him and his character.. Even if he did not partake the festivities. He was in the locker-room. How can he sit there and allow that to happen without intervening. It also tells me he is a moron. Not thinking that this may come out if he is inline to be drafted is the thought pattern of an idiot. Because if this S### hits full circle after he is drafted. I do not want the Giants to be on the wrong end of that moral dilemma. Add the fact he tried to stab his teammate Talk about a chemistry killer. IMO: he should not even be on their board. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 26, 2021 6:24:28 GMT -5
Yes, and I believe it was the same guy...forgot all about that. I don't like Parsons's responses to the allegations and behavior in the past. I haven't heard any apologies...just a "I was a 17, 18 year old kid, we all make mistakes." Parsons even said he doesn't want to be a part of a program that will judge him based on his behavior in the past. lol, the ego on this guy is enormous. By his logic. That of a moron. History should exonerate the 2 Columbine shooters. " They were 17,18 year old kids we all make mistakes" At 17 your moral compass should be developed enough to establish if what you are doing is really F##ed up or not. Replace "underclassmen" with "cheerleaders" in the scenario. What would the University have done? What would the "we should draft him" think? |
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 26, 2021 6:32:51 GMT -5
The allegations are quite disturbing, I haven't researched it at all, so have no idea what kind of teeth it really has, but outside of these boards, I don't really hear it discussed much. It's a shame, I think he's going to be a high impact player assuming he keeps his nose clean going forward. With all the FA signings, we really are in a flexible position at #11. The draft should be really fun this year!!
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 26, 2021 7:07:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't apologize. It would be pretty dumb too if someone can still sue you. There is no proof he did anything either after multiple investigation by the college and police. What does that say about him and his character.. Even if he did not partake the festivities. He was in the locker-room. How can he sit there and allow that to happen without intervening. It also tells me he is a moron. Not thinking that this may come out if he is inline to be drafted is the thought pattern of an idiot. Because if this S### hits full circle after he is drafted. I do not want the Giants to be on the wrong end of that moral dilemma. Add the fact he tried to stab his teammate Talk about a chemistry killer. IMO: he should not even be on their board. It tells me I don't know what happened and I never met the young man so I cannot judge him. I do admire you for sticking up for people and fighting bullies if you were in the same situation . I have dreamt the same things of being the hero but my experience tells me no good deed goes unpunished and things won't end well. Projecting what you would do on kid you don't know is good mental trick to reinforce your judgment call. I understand if you made up your mind based on evidence you gathered already but in the end the Giants are going to do their due dilligence and weigh their risks. In a business where his skillset can generate billions in revenue, ethics and doing the right thing rarely ever matter. The question for them is will we make money and win games drafting him. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 26, 2021 7:43:21 GMT -5
What does that say about him and his character.. Even if he did not partake the festivities. He was in the locker-room. How can he sit there and allow that to happen without intervening. It also tells me he is a moron. Not thinking that this may come out if he is inline to be drafted is the thought pattern of an idiot. Because if this S### hits full circle after he is drafted. I do not want the Giants to be on the wrong end of that moral dilemma. Add the fact he tried to stab his teammate Talk about a chemistry killer. IMO: he should not even be on their board. It tells me I don't know what happened and I never met the young man so I cannot judge him. I do admire you for sticking up for people and fighting bullies if you were in the same situation . I have dreamt the same things of being the hero but my experience tells me no good deed goes unpunished and things won't end well. Projecting what you would do on kid you don't know is good mental trick to reinforce your judgment call. I understand if you made up your mind based on evidence you gathered already but in the end the Giants are going to do their due dilligence and weigh their risks. In a business where his skillset can generate billions in revenue, ethics and doing the right thing rarely ever matter. The question for them is will we make money and win games drafting him. The school reprimanded one of the offenders. So the accusations have validity. My intent was not sticking up for the underclassmen. It was to suggest. This is not over yet. The ,My media will have a field day if the law suit is ruled against him. What will they do when he put on the stand and pleads the 5th? The plaintiff will put on the stand |
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Post by straightrazorman on Mar 26, 2021 8:14:43 GMT -5
The Giants got burned/burned themselves, depending on who you talk to, with Deandre Baker because of some off the field issues he had in college. Those added fuel to off-season allegations last year, which caused the Giants to release the first round pick. Even though the allegations were proved false, his prior college days shenanigans lent credence to the allegations and the Giants lost him without any compensation. The point is that any off the field misconduct, whether true or not, could result in a similar outcome with Parsons. I think the Giants will shy away from him for this reason. Once burned, twice shy.
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Post by Nite on Mar 26, 2021 8:20:28 GMT -5
Unfortunately that 4.39 makes its all but certain he doesn't make it out of the top 10.  How does someone get a blutarsky number of sacks with those physical attributes? Not all workout warriors make it in the NFL. Its was they do on the field that counts imo |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 26, 2021 9:20:15 GMT -5
"The Penn State alumnus has had a few off-the-field issues since his high school days. Parsons transferred to another school because he was accused of inciting a riot at his school. Parsons also has a history of causing controversy on social media. While on a visit to Ohio State, he quote retweeted a Twitter post that said Urban Meyer would not be making a quarterback change away from J.T. Barrett, adding: "I would and his name is @dh_simba7." The incident brought unneeded attention to Parsons. Another troubling incident happened on the Penn State campus in 2018. Micah Parsons poured water on Isaiah Humphries at the academic center of the football practice facility which led to a physical altercation. According to documents filed by Humphries, the fight between him and Parsons saw both players throw punches and attempt to choke each other. Micah Parsons' character issues cannot be understated. It's interesting to see how these things surface right as the NFL draft looms closer. With these issues coming to light, how far has Micah Parsons could fall in the 2021 NFL draft?" www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/2021-nfl-draft-what-nfl-scouts-saying-micah-parsons-characterIt's a HUGE risk HUGE reward type thing. Honestly, the more I read, the more I am ok with passing on him as talented as he is. 90% of the time this behavior has a negative influence in the NFL. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 26, 2021 9:22:40 GMT -5
And FWIW, Dan Campbell and the Lions at 7 seem to love the guy, so it might not even matter at 11.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 26, 2021 9:37:11 GMT -5
And FWIW, Dan Campbell and the Lions at 7 seem to love the guy, so it might not even matter at 11. Interesting if they do because they lost 3 WRs to FA,including their top 2.. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 26, 2021 20:50:15 GMT -5
Could also be some smoke?...let the Cowboys think we "would" take him for a PS2 drop, or OL... (still can't see Mara good with this signing) Everybody knew he was going to run nearly as fast as Oweh..they even have a famed race. Not sure why when a freak athlete finally does freak workouts, they think scouts are somewhat shocked. I would LOVE Parsons the on the field 5 star freak athlete....character concerns are one thing, but this Sandusky stuff might be too ugly for Mara. I don’t think that they would go to those lengths to create a diversion ... but you never know I guess TC, You don't think Penn St. would go to lengths of a cover up ! ! Penn St. ! ! Paterno ! Sandusky ! ! Penn St. ? ? ? TC you know, in your heart you know my good friend. |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 27, 2021 18:28:48 GMT -5
Yes, and I believe it was the same guy...forgot all about that. I don't like Parsons's responses to the allegations and behavior in the past. I haven't heard any apologies...just a "I was a 17, 18 year old kid, we all make mistakes." Parsons even said he doesn't want to be a part of a program that will judge him based on his behavior in the past. lol, the ego on this guy is enormous. Really?!?!? That was his response??? PASS |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 27, 2021 18:33:16 GMT -5
No love for Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah from Notre Dame?? He's like the same player as Parsons, without sounding like a pompous douche bag
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2021 19:12:41 GMT -5
I don’t think that they would go to those lengths to create a diversion ... but you never know I guess TC, You don't think Penn St. would go to lengths of a cover up ! ! Penn St. ! ! Paterno ! Sandusky ! ! Penn St. ? ? ? TC you know, in your heart you know my good friend. TC was saying he doesn't think the GIANTS would go to these lengths just to create a diversion.
Obviously PSU would do anything.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 27, 2021 19:23:09 GMT -5
I think the key to all of this is Coach Chaos. He spent a long time with Parsons and Oweh and should know their true character. If Judge brought Chaos to this team then he obviously trusts him. I would love to have this player on our team and would just pray he makes better decisions. Lord knows I did some really dumb shit in my life.
With that said the things he allegedly did in the past don't really matter. The only thing that matters is whether the Giants think he will make poor decisions in the future.
A couple notes. Let's not pick snippits of his quote, use the whole thing. “Obviously, people have concerns about things that came up. But at the end of the day, I believe that I was a kid, you know, 17-18. We all made mistakes when we were 17-18, I’m not gonna let it control and dictate the person I am now".
And also this “Anybody who’s willing to accept my wrongs when I was wrong, and accept my rights when I’m right, I’m ready to go and give them my all,” Parsons said. “But if it’s gonna come down to something that I did in high school or, something that I wish I could change, you know, I can only control what I can control. I can control what I do forward, so that’s how I feel about it.”
He now has a son as well and I have seen that change people in major ways in my life. If the Giants are good with it I won't complain at all.
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Post by DJones19 on Mar 27, 2021 20:34:35 GMT -5
..."everyone is going to learn and grow. I'm pretty sure none of you are making the same mistakes as you were when you were 17, 18 even 25. If someone is going to judge me on that, I rather not be in their program. I know what type of person I'm becoming."
Someone probably coached him to answer like that, to focus on the future...but I don't think it was a good answer at all given the severity of the accusations and some of the stuff he's done in the past.
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Post by piddy283 on Mar 28, 2021 9:34:49 GMT -5
..."everyone is going to learn and grow. I'm pretty sure none of you are making the same mistakes as you were when you were 17, 18 even 25. If someone is going to judge me on that, I rather not be in their program. I know what type of person I'm becoming." Someone probably coached him to answer like that, to focus on the future...but I don't think it was a good answer at all given the severity of the accusations and some of the stuff he's done in the past. Yea, my thoughts on Parsons have been a rollercoaster. I thought I read the allegations regarding all the creepy s**t ended up being against a DT. I read Parsons got into a fight with a teammate, and that's it. If there's an ounce of truth to these allegations he won't be a Giant. Honestly, if there's an ounce of truth to these allegations he's going to plummet out of the first round. If we end up drafting him, I have to assume he's clean. If this happens, we'll have a monster on our hands. After watching a recent video, I like the idea of putting Parsons outside as the SLB. He can slide inside if it makes sense to do so, but his ability to play in space and attack the LOS is impressive. He also seems to struggle a bit in traffic and with misdirection, so having him chase the ball would be an easier transition in my opinion. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 28, 2021 12:11:42 GMT -5
..."everyone is going to learn and grow. I'm pretty sure none of you are making the same mistakes as you were when you were 17, 18 even 25. If someone is going to judge me on that, I rather not be in their program. I know what type of person I'm becoming." Someone probably coached him to answer like that, to focus on the future...but I don't think it was a good answer at all given the severity of the accusations and some of the stuff he's done in the past. Yea, my thoughts on Parsons have been a rollercoaster. I thought I read the allegations regarding all the creepy s**t ended up being against a DT. I read Parsons got into a fight with a teammate, and that's it. If there's an ounce of truth to these allegations he won't be a Giant. Honestly, if there's an ounce of truth to these allegations he's going to plummet out of the first round. If we end up drafting him, I have to assume he's clean. If this happens, we'll have a monster on our hands. After watching a recent video, I like the idea of putting Parsons outside as the SLB. He can slide inside if it makes sense to do so, but his ability to play in space and attack the LOS is impressive. He also seems to struggle a bit in traffic and with misdirection, so having him chase the ball would be an easier transition in my opinion. That's why Judge and Graham attended his Pro Day. Also, Owah is a possibility In a trade down Or a 2nd round Pick. Were coaches able to interview Players ? If, so then he will be judged by his interaction. Parsons could be drafted prior to Giants pick. |
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Post by lasion2 on Mar 28, 2021 12:41:52 GMT -5
No love for Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah from Notre Dame?? He's like the same player as Parsons, without sounding like a pompous douche bag jok is a real good player and i’m not all the way sold on parsons, but he’s 30+ lbs lighter than parsons. strikes me as a safety tweener. |
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 29, 2021 13:07:39 GMT -5
No love for Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah from Notre Dame?? He's like the same player as Parsons, without sounding like a pompous douche bag jok is a real good player and i’m not all the way sold on parsons, but he’s 30+ lbs lighter than parsons. strikes me as a safety tweener. He's def not going to be an ILB in the pros, more so an edge guy or cover LB, possibly a SS in sub packages |
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 2, 2021 11:19:48 GMT -5
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