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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 11:48:20 GMT -5
Leonard Williams is the MVP of the entire football team. The entire defense is built around the versatility of LW's skill-set. Please tell me you recognize this? No one ever has any idea what you are talking about. Is that a yes or no? You do realize that the entire defense is built around Leonard Williams, correct?
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Post by jmike on Apr 21, 2021 11:53:32 GMT -5
Leonard Williams is the MVP of the entire football team. The entire defense is built around the versatility of LW's skill-set. Please tell me you recognize this? Someone does not lose credibility simply because they have an opinion that differs from your own.
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Post by jmike on Apr 21, 2021 11:59:55 GMT -5
No one ever has any idea what you are talking about. Is that a yes or no? You do realize that the entire defense is built around Leonard Williams, correct? It isn't actually. That is a fun thing for people who don't really understand what they see on the football field to spout. "This defense is built around X player." This isn't done in the NFL because it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. Your entire defense will fall apart if that player gets hurt. No NFL DC would do this unless they are exceptionally incompetent. Graham doesn't strike me as such. Would the defense perform at a lower level while losing its best DL player? Sure, any team would do so losing a top player. This doesn't mean it is built around that player.
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 21, 2021 12:09:17 GMT -5
Is that a yes or no? You do realize that the entire defense is built around Leonard Williams, correct? It isn't actually. That is a fun thing that people who don't really understand what they see on the football field to spout. "This defense is built around X player." This isn't done in the NFL because it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. Your entire defense will fall apart if that player gets hurt. No NFL DC would do this unless they are exceptionally incompetent. Graham doesn't strike me as such. Would the defense perform at a lower level while losing its best DL player? Sure, any team would do so losing a top player. This doesn't mean it is built around that player. Cool. The Giants defense as constructed is built around Leonard Williams. Fact.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 21, 2021 12:16:04 GMT -5
No one ever has any idea what you are talking about. Is that a yes or no? You do realize that the entire defense is built around Leonard Williams, correct? I think you have me confused with someone else. I like Leo
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Post by jmike on Apr 21, 2021 12:43:34 GMT -5
It isn't actually. That is a fun thing that people who don't really understand what they see on the football field to spout. "This defense is built around X player." This isn't done in the NFL because it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. Your entire defense will fall apart if that player gets hurt. No NFL DC would do this unless they are exceptionally incompetent. Graham doesn't strike me as such. Would the defense perform at a lower level while losing its best DL player? Sure, any team would do so losing a top player. This doesn't mean it is built around that player. Cool. The Giants defense as constructed is built around Leonard Williams. Fact. LOL, ok then. One does tend to lose some credibility when one calls their opinion a fact. Since credibility seems to be your thing, I would suggest avoiding doing that.
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Post by robl on Apr 21, 2021 14:34:47 GMT -5
This is somewhat convincing:
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Post by GameTime on Apr 21, 2021 14:36:06 GMT -5
This is somewhat convincing: that means who ever they have on their boards at 11 they feel has the value they are looking for
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Post by coughlinscorner on Apr 21, 2021 15:30:52 GMT -5
"I think we'll see a right turn in a Nascar race before we see Dave Gettleman trade back. So I don't see that happening."
What if its a British NASCAR race?
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Post by thetruth on Apr 21, 2021 15:59:14 GMT -5
This is somewhat convincing: that means who ever they have on their boards at 11 they feel has the value they are looking for I don't believe DG has never received an offer in 8 drafts that the value didn't meet the ask, as long as the ask makes sense. This is purely philosophical, I can see why Judge wants to trade down given his history. Our GM has a stance against trading down. Which is fine, he's more of a trade-up guy. Trading up rarely if ever works and its come back to bite us already under DG's tenure. As I always say, trading down gives you more "shots" at an imperfect science. GMs just need to not be so arrogant.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 21, 2021 16:00:12 GMT -5
Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW .... Definitely a Chutes and Ladders guy. my brother and I used to play chutes and ladders when I was 7 years old, I would hate to think of DG in that way. LOL
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 21, 2021 16:01:45 GMT -5
Definitely a Chutes and Ladders guy. my brother and I used to play chutes and ladders when I was 7 years old, I would hate to think of DG in that way. LOL We aren't talking about Gettleman
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 21, 2021 16:07:07 GMT -5
that means who ever they have on their boards at 11 they feel has the value they are looking for I don't believe DG has never received an offer in 8 drafts that the value didn't meet the ask, as long as the ask makes sense. This is purely philosophical, I can see why Judge wants to trade down given his history. Our GM has a stance against trading down. Which is fine, he's more of a trade-up guy. Trading up rarely if ever works and its come back to bite us already under DG's tenure. As I always say, trading down gives you more "shots" at an imperfect science. GMs just need to not be so arrogant. I think at think at this point in his career DG will do what the owners tell him they want done because I don't necessarily believe he has to do what the HC tells him to do, if that were the case then why would we need a GM...
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 21, 2021 19:05:22 GMT -5
Great. I can't wait to hear the bitching about how our pick was leaked and this team jumped right in front of us to steal him from us.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 21, 2021 19:08:18 GMT -5
Smokescreen got you fooled (it worked, Gettleman playing chess, confirmed.) The best smokescreens are the ones that actually work. Wtf are you talking about? You said in your previous post that “every team thinks about trading back”, which is precisely my point. Gettleman strikes me as more of a checkers player than a chess player BTW .... I be he plays bocce ball.
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 22, 2021 8:48:29 GMT -5
my brother and I used to play chutes and ladders when I was 7 years old, I would hate to think of DG in that way. LOL We aren't talking about Gettleman oh yes we were
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Post by repeatchamps on Apr 29, 2021 13:42:45 GMT -5
I think this happens if Chase, Waddle, Smith and Pitts are all gone and also both Sewell and Slater are gone which is likely. Do you really think they will all be gone? Not for nothing, but I really hope you're wrong. 4 QB's 2 OL 1-2 CB|LB|Edge (hopefully!) Man, that's close. If all of those guys are gone, trading back has to be in play. Either way, I still wouldn't be upset with a Parsons, Surtain, or Collins. Rooting for 4 QB's if not 5 in the top 10 and Dallas to take Surtain. That sits us pretty if Gettleman doesn't screw it up royally.
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Post by Miked1958 on Apr 29, 2021 22:50:10 GMT -5
Well it happened and they did get the 1st next year as well as a 4th. Bears schedule brutal next year so coukd be a very high pick
Also getting Toney is a huge bonus at 20 plus another pick in 5th round
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 29, 2021 22:58:40 GMT -5
Cowboys are also fielding calls to trade back apparently. Interesting to see if they undercut us on a trade back. Even our ideas of trading back get jumped lol Why is it always you who falls Hook Line and Sinker to this media speculation BS? You are SO gullible. Media tells you X. You believe X. You fall for the okie doke every single time. Don't you get tired of getting played by the media? Wake up. Oh my you look so dumb don't you? Village idiot.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 29, 2021 23:03:52 GMT -5
I can't believe how on point this half joking concern turned out to be.
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Post by smitty on Apr 29, 2021 23:06:49 GMT -5
Dave got played...again.
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Post by PennState1 on Apr 29, 2021 23:32:20 GMT -5
Great. I can't wait to hear the bitching about how our pick was leaked and this team jumped right in front of us to steal him from us. Crystal ball much?
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 30, 2021 10:22:22 GMT -5
Great. I can't wait to hear the bitching about how our pick was leaked and this team jumped right in front of us to steal him from us. Crystal ball much? Haha FML. Can't believe that happened like that. I didn't ever think the Cowboys would trade with the Eagles. Well we know who they think is the bigger threat.
I hope the Bears pick next year turns into a HOF player that makes Dallas pay forever for this trade.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 11:03:21 GMT -5
Well it happened and they did get the 1st next year as well as a 4th. Bears schedule brutal next year so coukd be a very high pick Also getting Toney is a huge bonus at 20 plus another pick in 5th round This thread nailed it. It had the trade back ideas from both the Cowboys and Giants and then went into a Kadarius Toney conversation with highlights. Beautifully done. Also, the village idiot stands out completely wrong in it.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 17:17:47 GMT -5
I wonder if they would dare trade back in the 2nd round to get a few more later round picks. Guess it depends on their value chart.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 30, 2021 17:26:05 GMT -5
Smokescreen They're not trading back. 🤔
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 30, 2021 17:27:05 GMT -5
Cowboys are also fielding calls to trade back apparently. Interesting to see if they undercut us on a trade back. Even our ideas of trading back get jumped lol Why is it always you who falls Hook Line and Sinker to this media speculation BS? You are SO gullible. Media tells you X. You believe X. You fall for the okie doke every single time. Don't you get tired of getting played by the media? Wake up. 🤔
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 30, 2021 17:27:41 GMT -5
They’re considering it like they are considering every other option (including trading up). Not really much of a revelation. If they didn’t consider every possible option (as Dave has done in the past) that would be GM malpractice of the highest order Smokescreen got you fooled (it worked, Gettleman playing chess, confirmed.) The best smokescreens are the ones that actually work. 🤔
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 18:00:47 GMT -5
Why is it always you who falls Hook Line and Sinker to this media speculation BS? You are SO gullible. Media tells you X. You believe X. You fall for the okie doke every single time. Don't you get tired of getting played by the media? Wake up. 🤔 Amazing. Isn't it?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 18:51:45 GMT -5
I wonder if they would dare trade back in the 2nd round to get a few more later round picks. Guess it depends on their value chart. Moved back again! Judge is running this thing like Belichick
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