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Post by TEM on Apr 30, 2021 5:01:57 GMT -5
How is that leak? How do you know that? Could it be as simple as. We got a good deal from the bears?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:06:29 GMT -5
Hope you had a nice sleep Analyst...you were becoming a bit more negative then the usual negative grump we have all come to love. GL got the teams correct, and you left off Conklin as well as Floyd. We were rumored heavily into those two players. I'm not all conspiracy theory as you are, and do understand teams do their homework on other teams. Yes, we were mocked for Conklin and Floyd, and two teams traded up for those players. Unlike this deal, where it was Smith that everybody knew we were interested in we did not panic...and reach for a player who was not close to a sure thing as Apple's Mom certainly was not. That pick reeked of panic....vs a say Giants simply taking Slater or Vera-Tucker in this spot...both players instant starters and potential all pro. This time, we made a trade, an awesome trade....and fell back into the next cluster of talent, with possible pro bowl players at WR...while acquiring a first round pick from a team with either Dalton starting...or a rookie... next year. If you are suggesting teams jumping ahead of others as some sort of loose lips in the office, that's conspiracy theory and your mind connecting a pattern to allow confusing things to make sense.....sometimes it's simple facts and due diligence. Whom do they need, visited, talent rating on their own board?...the Giants and only Smith left as top 10 WR was kind of a good chance of he being the Giants pick...happens all the time. How we handled it was brilliant. We still had Slater, Vera - Tucker...even Parsons (although he seemed off our board)....and even WITH Smith on the board, that was IMHO, a GREAT trade. Again, not even close...well, a team trading ahead of us. The Jet's trading up and grabbing Vera-Tucker hurt as I was praying he slid...oh well, it's how it all plays out Maybe the Jets knew we needed a guard and that Vera - Tucker was the sure thing pro bowl? Teams trade up feeling other teams needs vs the talent there...it's draft trading 101...not conspiracy. There was nothing we could do once Jones slid out of the top 10 (49ers taking a big gamble)...and 2 corners were taken before Dallas. Our saving grace was another QB slid down as well. Would you have been happy taking Slater? He was there, and rated about the same as Smith...in a need spot. I LOVE Slater...but love the trade more. How about we trade up now...in front of the Eagles, just to act as if we knew who they were taking and get back into their minds as they are in some of ours.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:07:30 GMT -5
How is that leak? How do you know that? Could it be as simple as. We got a good deal from the bears? We also had Slater available...and still the Bears ponied up for 9 spots.
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Post by te88 on Apr 30, 2021 6:11:07 GMT -5
The Giants have a lot of inside connections at PSU and I guarantee did extensive research on Parsons. The fact that they passed tells me the concerns about him are well founded.
As for Smith to the Eagles. It does suck but Roseman doesn’t know what the hell he is doing. Yeah Smith might be a pain in the ass for a while now but on the bright side I am not worried about the Eagles being a competitive team. They can go right ahead and keep drafting receivers.
I am pleasantly surprised that the Giants assessed their greatest need as speed/playmaking ability at WR. They knew who they wanted and made a good trade (which was executed very quickly - therefore PLANNED in advance). They really got the value right and this is NEW for our team. The old Giants would have crapped themselves and taken Toney at 11 or draft some other giant reach.
I also think Toney was coveted by many teams late in the 1st. Everybody is looking for the next Tyreek Hill type game breaker. This is why Waddle went to Miami.
I think this is going to turn out good. The 2022 draft picks are great insurance
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 30, 2021 6:16:12 GMT -5
The Giants have a lot of inside connections at PSU and I guarantee did extensive research on Parsons. The fact that they passed tells me the concerns about him are well founded. I also think Toney was coveted by many teams late in the 1st. Everybody is looking for the next Tyreek Hill type game breaker. This is why Waddle went to Miami. I think this is going to turn out good. The 2022 draft picks are great insurance i think the Giants recognize this is a so/so draft. The trade was great imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:16:44 GMT -5
The Giants have a lot of inside connections at PSU and I guarantee did extensive research on Parsons. The fact that they passed tells me the concerns about him are well founded. As for Smith to the Eagles. It does suck but Roseman doesn’t know what the hell he is doing. Yeah Smith might be a pain in the ass for a while now but on the bright side I am not worried about the Eagles being a competitive team. They can go right ahead and keep drafting receivers. I am pleasantly surprised that the Giants assessed their greatest need as speed/playmaking ability at WR. They knew who they wanted and made a good trade (which was executed very quickly - therefore PLANNED in advance). They really got the value right and this is NEW for our team. The old Giants would have crapped themselves and taken Toney at 11 or draft some other giant reach.I also think Toney was coveted by many teams late in the 1st. Everybody is looking for the next Tyreek Hill type game breaker. This is why Waddle went to Miami. I think this is going to turn out good. The 2022 draft picks are great insurance Great post....yeah, just taking Toney at 11 would have been catastrophic and a remote buster... It was almost Patriot like in how they dealt with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:18:25 GMT -5
The Giants have a lot of inside connections at PSU and I guarantee did extensive research on Parsons. The fact that they passed tells me the concerns about him are well founded. I also think Toney was coveted by many teams late in the 1st. Everybody is looking for the next Tyreek Hill type game breaker. This is why Waddle went to Miami. I think this is going to turn out good. The 2022 draft picks are great insurance i think the Giants recognize this is a so/so draft. The trade was great imo. Yeah, and I believe Slater gave us some leverage to walk away....even Vera-Tucker
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:21:17 GMT -5
Count me in with the fans who liked the trade. I wanted Slater and still feel there is a big need on the oline but having two number 1s next year will be nice..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 6:25:45 GMT -5
Hope you had a nice sleep Analyst...you were becoming a bit more negative then the usual negative grump we have all come to love. GL got the teams correct, and you left off Conklin as well as Floyd. We were rumored heavily into those two players. I'm not all conspiracy theory as you are, and do understand teams do their homework on other teams. Yes, we were mocked for Conklin and Floyd, and two teams traded up for those players. Unlike this deal, where it was Smith that everybody knew we were interested in we did not panic...and reach for a player who was not close to a sure thing as Apple's Mom certainly was not. That pick reeked of panic....vs a say Giants simply taking Slater or Vera-Tucker in this spot...both players instant starters and potential all pro. This time, we made a trade, an awesome trade....and fell back into the next cluster of talent, with possible pro bowl players at WR...while acquiring a first round pick from a team with either Dalton starting...or a rookie... next year. If you are suggesting teams jumping ahead of others as some sort of loose lips in the office, that's conspiracy theory and your mind connecting a pattern to allow confusing things to make sense.....sometimes it's simple facts and due diligence. Whom do they need, visited, talent rating on their own board?...the Giants and only Smith left as top 10 WR was kind of a good chance of he being the Giants pick...happens all the time. How we handled it was brilliant. We still had Slater, Vera - Tucker...even Parsons (although he seemed off our board)....and even WITH Smith on the board, that was IMHO, a GREAT trade. Again, not even close...well, a team trading ahead of us. The Jet's trading up and grabbing Vera-Tucker hurt as I was praying he slid...oh well, it's how it all plays out Maybe the Jets knew we needed a guard and that Vera - Tucker was the sure thing pro bowl? Teams trade up feeling other teams needs vs the talent there...it's draft trading 101...not conspiracy. There was nothing we could do once Jones slid out of the top 10 (49ers taking a big gamble)...and 2 corners were taken before Dallas. Our saving grace was another QB slid down as well. Would you have been happy taking Slater? He was there, and rated about the same as Smith...in a need spot. I LOVE Slater...but love the trade more. How about we trade up now...in front of the Eagles, just to act as if we knew who they were taking and get back into their minds as they are in some of ours. My point in that buzzed up post was that a team directly behind us traded directly in front of us for the player we were linked to, while the team trading behind us knew we wouldnt take their pick. What made it worse in this one was the fact it was the Eagles and Cowboys playing us. That said, you are correct the results were different. We made the best out of the slap in the face, and traded back this time instead of panicking for Eli Apple. I think this year, if DG panicked like that, we take Parsons at 11. We wont know for a while if we made the right choice or not, but I do like the fact we traded back. I dont like the fact the Eagles got our WR and the Cowboys got the best defensive prospect in this draft talentwise while trading back. The other thing Im not too fond of is only getting a 5th this season for moving back 9 spots. This is a HUGE year for a lot of people. 2022 picks wont help them. Id give the 1st round a A-/B+ for us. We got skunked again but we actually traded back and got a 1st in 2022 which is great long run. If Toney stays healthy he is going to be a fun WR/ athlete to watch with that burning speed and elusiveness. He isnt Smith or Waddle or Chase, but he still will be good IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:31:14 GMT -5
Count me in with the fans who liked the trade. I wanted Slater and still feel there is a big need on the oline but having two number 1s next year will be nice.. Slater was my go to guy all along...even had him on the contest cause I "wanted" him vs thinking he would drop to 11. That said...this trade was a steal. The arguments could be Toney vs Bateman or another WR, but the upside of Toney is off the charts, and he is one of most dynamic YAC guys you've ever seen. Perfect fit for the Patriots....I mean NY Giants. Judge should be quite happy...now let's get that IOL stud, DT to replace Tomlinson long term, ...and another running back ....just in case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 6:46:01 GMT -5
Hope you had a nice sleep Analyst...you were becoming a bit more negative then the usual negative grump we have all come to love. GL got the teams correct, and you left off Conklin as well as Floyd. We were rumored heavily into those two players. I'm not all conspiracy theory as you are, and do understand teams do their homework on other teams. Yes, we were mocked for Conklin and Floyd, and two teams traded up for those players. Unlike this deal, where it was Smith that everybody knew we were interested in we did not panic...and reach for a player who was not close to a sure thing as Apple's Mom certainly was not. That pick reeked of panic....vs a say Giants simply taking Slater or Vera-Tucker in this spot...both players instant starters and potential all pro. This time, we made a trade, an awesome trade....and fell back into the next cluster of talent, with possible pro bowl players at WR...while acquiring a first round pick from a team with either Dalton starting...or a rookie... next year. If you are suggesting teams jumping ahead of others as some sort of loose lips in the office, that's conspiracy theory and your mind connecting a pattern to allow confusing things to make sense.....sometimes it's simple facts and due diligence. Whom do they need, visited, talent rating on their own board?...the Giants and only Smith left as top 10 WR was kind of a good chance of he being the Giants pick...happens all the time. How we handled it was brilliant. We still had Slater, Vera - Tucker...even Parsons (although he seemed off our board)....and even WITH Smith on the board, that was IMHO, a GREAT trade. Again, not even close...well, a team trading ahead of us. The Jet's trading up and grabbing Vera-Tucker hurt as I was praying he slid...oh well, it's how it all plays out Maybe the Jets knew we needed a guard and that Vera - Tucker was the sure thing pro bowl? Teams trade up feeling other teams needs vs the talent there...it's draft trading 101...not conspiracy. There was nothing we could do once Jones slid out of the top 10 (49ers taking a big gamble)...and 2 corners were taken before Dallas. Our saving grace was another QB slid down as well. Would you have been happy taking Slater? He was there, and rated about the same as Smith...in a need spot. I LOVE Slater...but love the trade more. How about we trade up now...in front of the Eagles, just to act as if we knew who they were taking and get back into their minds as they are in some of ours. My point in that buzzed up post was that a team directly behind us traded directly in front of us for the player we were linked to, while the team trading behind us knew we wouldnt take their pick. What made it worse in this one was the fact it was the Eagles and Cowboys playing us. That said, you are correct the results were different. We made the best out of the slap in the face, and traded back this time instead of panicking for Eli Apple. I think this year, if DG panicked like that, we take Parsons at 11. We wont know for a while if we made the right choice or not, but I do like the fact we traded back. I dont like the fact the Eagles got our WR and the Cowboys got the best defensive prospect in this draft talentwise while trading back. The other thing Im not too fond of is only getting a 5th this season for moving back 9 spots. This is a HUGE year for a lot of people. 2022 picks wont help them. Id give the 1st round a A-/B+ for us. We got skunked again but we actually traded back and got a 1st in 2022 which is great long run. If Toney stays healthy he is going to be a fun WR/ athlete to watch with that burning speed and elusiveness. He isnt Smith or Waddle or Chase, but he still will be good IMO. Teams of course can narrow players down and trade in front for that very reason. It happens all the time...we still had Slater...and I really don't believe we were as interested in Parsons as many on the board believe. You want your player, and willing to go up and get him?...or trust the board and no other team jumping you. We didn't get fleeced because there was absolutely nothing we could do, and nobody to blame. It's simply how the draft fell. The Eagles wanted Smith or Waddle (remember the rumors of them jumping ahead to take Waddle over us?...there was smoke).... the Cowboys lost their corners, and that's how their boards played out. With us, we had Slater...and a Fields who dropped...so our board became Slater or pick 20 from the hoped for quality dropped QB and the bids (not Jones), a 5th round pick...and a 1st next year, and a 4. Slater vs Toney/5th/1st/4th I believe we made the correct steal on a deal...and be ready for more trades as other teams move up ahead of teams whom they believe will stage their pick. Glass not half empty...it's a pint of beer freshly served.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 7:11:02 GMT -5
My point in that buzzed up post was that a team directly behind us traded directly in front of us for the player we were linked to, while the team trading behind us knew we wouldnt take their pick. What made it worse in this one was the fact it was the Eagles and Cowboys playing us. That said, you are correct the results were different. We made the best out of the slap in the face, and traded back this time instead of panicking for Eli Apple. I think this year, if DG panicked like that, we take Parsons at 11. We wont know for a while if we made the right choice or not, but I do like the fact we traded back. I dont like the fact the Eagles got our WR and the Cowboys got the best defensive prospect in this draft talentwise while trading back. The other thing Im not too fond of is only getting a 5th this season for moving back 9 spots. This is a HUGE year for a lot of people. 2022 picks wont help them. Id give the 1st round a A-/B+ for us. We got skunked again but we actually traded back and got a 1st in 2022 which is great long run. If Toney stays healthy he is going to be a fun WR/ athlete to watch with that burning speed and elusiveness. He isnt Smith or Waddle or Chase, but he still will be good IMO. Teams of course can narrow players down and trade in front for that very reason. It happens all the time...we still had Slater...and I really don't believe we were as interested in Parsons as many on the board believe. You want your player, and willing to go up and get him?...or trust the board and no other team jumping you. We didn't get fleeced because there was absolutely nothing we could do, and nobody to blame. It's simply how the draft fell. The Eagles wanted Smith or Waddle (remember the rumors of them jumping ahead to take Waddle over us?...there was smoke).... the Cowboys lost their corners, and that's how their boards played out. With us, we had Slater...and a Fields who dropped...so our board became Slater or pick 20 from the hoped for quality dropped QB and the bids (not Jones), a 5th round pick...and a 1st next year, and a 4. Slater vs Toney/5th/1st/4th I believe we made the correct steal on a deal...and be ready for more trades as other teams move up ahead of teams whom they believe will stage their pick. Glass not half empty...it's a pint of beer freshly served. As I said prior to the draft, if the 3 WRs are gone, along with the top 2 OTs, I was ok with trading back. ITs just HOW it happened to us that sucks and who got the players. Gun to my head at 11 Im taking Parsons, probably part emotion too with me wanting a defensive player to F up Dak and Hurts. Once the 2 WRs were off the board, the Eagles knew they would miss out on a WR so they had to move up in front of us. But again, with Dallas? Major middle finger from both those 2 clubs. I like the Toney pick and getting that 1st next year for sure. Toney while slippery and fast, isnt a #1 like a Smith, Waddle or Chase could be. Getting Smith would have been huge, and trying to cover Smith on 3rd down is going to drive us insane.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 30, 2021 7:11:02 GMT -5
My point in that buzzed up post was that a team directly behind us traded directly in front of us for the player we were linked to, while the team trading behind us knew we wouldnt take their pick. What made it worse in this one was the fact it was the Eagles and Cowboys playing us. That said, you are correct the results were different. We made the best out of the slap in the face, and traded back this time instead of panicking for Eli Apple. I think this year, if DG panicked like that, we take Parsons at 11. We wont know for a while if we made the right choice or not, but I do like the fact we traded back. I dont like the fact the Eagles got our WR and the Cowboys got the best defensive prospect in this draft talentwise while trading back. The other thing Im not too fond of is only getting a 5th this season for moving back 9 spots. This is a HUGE year for a lot of people. 2022 picks wont help them. Id give the 1st round a A-/B+ for us. We got skunked again but we actually traded back and got a 1st in 2022 which is great long run. If Toney stays healthy he is going to be a fun WR/ athlete to watch with that burning speed and elusiveness. He isnt Smith or Waddle or Chase, but he still will be good IMO. Teams of course can narrow players down and trade in front for that very reason. It happens all the time...we still had Slater...and I really don't believe we were as interested in Parsons as many on the board believe. You want your player, and willing to go up and get him?...or trust the board and no other team jumping you. We didn't get fleeced because there was absolutely nothing we could do, and nobody to blame. It's simply how the draft fell. The Eagles wanted Smith or Waddle (remember the rumors of them jumping ahead to take Waddle over us?...there was smoke).... the Cowboys lost their corners, and that's how their boards played out. With us, we had Slater...and a Fields who dropped...so our board became Slater or pick 20 from the hoped for quality dropped QB and the bids (not Jones), a 5th round pick...and a 1st next year, and a 4. Slater vs Toney/5th/1st/4th I believe we made the correct steal on a deal...and be ready for more trades as other teams move up ahead of teams whom they believe will stage their pick. Glass not half empty...it's a pint of beer freshly served. I really liked Slater, and would have been quite happy had we picked him at 11. That being said, I'm equally pleased with the trade haul, and Toney pick. I try to be flexible in these things, you never know how they will play out, and to focus on one player is a set up for disappointment.
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Post by southerner on Apr 30, 2021 7:17:47 GMT -5
The Giants probably never would have taken the stick figure WR Smith, but the trade opportunity was too good to pass up....getting a high 2022 1st round draft choice was an unexpected windfall in the trade.
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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 30, 2021 7:18:57 GMT -5
Hope you had a nice sleep Analyst...you were becoming a bit more negative then the usual negative grump we have all come to love. GL got the teams correct, and you left off Conklin as well as Floyd. We were rumored heavily into those two players. I'm not all conspiracy theory as you are, and do understand teams do their homework on other teams. Yes, we were mocked for Conklin and Floyd, and two teams traded up for those players. Unlike this deal, where it was Smith that everybody knew we were interested in we did not panic...and reach for a player who was not close to a sure thing as Apple's Mom certainly was not. That pick reeked of panic....vs a say Giants simply taking Slater or Vera-Tucker in this spot...both players instant starters and potential all pro. This time, we made a trade, an awesome trade....and fell back into the next cluster of talent, with possible pro bowl players at WR...while acquiring a first round pick from a team with either Dalton starting...or a rookie... next year. If you are suggesting teams jumping ahead of others as some sort of loose lips in the office, that's conspiracy theory and your mind connecting a pattern to allow confusing things to make sense.....sometimes it's simple facts and due diligence. Whom do they need, visited, talent rating on their own board?...the Giants and only Smith left as top 10 WR was kind of a good chance of he being the Giants pick...happens all the time. How we handled it was brilliant. We still had Slater, Vera - Tucker...even Parsons (although he seemed off our board)....and even WITH Smith on the board, that was IMHO, a GREAT trade. Again, not even close...well, a team trading ahead of us. The Jet's trading up and grabbing Vera-Tucker hurt as I was praying he slid...oh well, it's how it all plays out Maybe the Jets knew we needed a guard and that Vera - Tucker was the sure thing pro bowl? Teams trade up feeling other teams needs vs the talent there...it's draft trading 101...not conspiracy. There was nothing we could do once Jones slid out of the top 10 (49ers taking a big gamble)...and 2 corners were taken before Dallas. Our saving grace was another QB slid down as well. Would you have been happy taking Slater? He was there, and rated about the same as Smith...in a need spot. I LOVE Slater...but love the trade more. How about we trade up now...in front of the Eagles, just to act as if we knew who they were taking and get back into their minds as they are in some of ours. We wont know for a while if we made the right choice or not, but I do like the fact we traded back. I dont like the fact the Eagles got our WR and the Cowboys got the best defensive prospect in this draft talentwise while trading back. Idk about that. Dallas want CB IMO b/c Carolina and Denver took their targets. Yes, they got Parsons yet that LB has wobbling wheels. They might just break even by addition and subtraction of players. Philly got a 166lbs receiver while they lost their QB and have a really weird coach. i think the Giants did well
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 30, 2021 7:19:12 GMT -5
Gettleman didn’t get enough. A first next year and a 4th, with a 6th this draft for a potential franchise QB. Not enough. Gettleman panicked when the Eagles jumped ahead and took Smith. Lost out on blue chippers, passed on the best DE in the draft and reached for a good WR he likely could’ve gotten in the 2nd round. Haven’t seen a single media person suggest that the Giants didn’t get enough to trade back. Peter Schrager on NFL Network this morning: “The Bears gave up a huge haul to draft the 4th QB in the draft” Dan Duggan: Giants got a “huge haul” They got way more than indicated by the draft value chart. What is your basis for saying that we didn’t get enough?
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 30, 2021 7:21:09 GMT -5
This reminds me exactly of the Eli Apple fiasco. TB and ATL trade in front and behind us. Directly. TB knew we wanted Floyd or Apple, as was mentioned the couple days prior, and they traded behind us wanting Hargraves knowing we wouldn't take him, giving AtL Floyd directly in front of us. Same thing but with decision rivals. Glad this time we traded back. With 6 picks, we had no choice but to let the draft come to us. Did you want to trade up to make sure that we got Smith?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 7:28:05 GMT -5
We wont know for a while if we made the right choice or not, but I do like the fact we traded back. I dont like the fact the Eagles got our WR and the Cowboys got the best defensive prospect in this draft talentwise while trading back. Idk about that. Dallas want CB IMO b/c Carolina and Denver took their targets. Yes, they got Parsons yet that LB has wobbling wheels. They might just break even by addition and subtraction of players. Philly got a 166lbs receiver while they lost their QB and have a really weird coach. i think the Giants did well If Parsons character concerns are past him, he is going to be a star. And stop with 166 lb WR junk. D Smith is going to be a pain in the ass for a long time now for our defense. They lost Jalen Hurts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 7:28:09 GMT -5
Teams of course can narrow players down and trade in front for that very reason. It happens all the time...we still had Slater...and I really don't believe we were as interested in Parsons as many on the board believe. You want your player, and willing to go up and get him?...or trust the board and no other team jumping you. We didn't get fleeced because there was absolutely nothing we could do, and nobody to blame. It's simply how the draft fell. The Eagles wanted Smith or Waddle (remember the rumors of them jumping ahead to take Waddle over us?...there was smoke).... the Cowboys lost their corners, and that's how their boards played out. With us, we had Slater...and a Fields who dropped...so our board became Slater or pick 20 from the hoped for quality dropped QB and the bids (not Jones), a 5th round pick...and a 1st next year, and a 4. Slater vs Toney/5th/1st/4th I believe we made the correct steal on a deal...and be ready for more trades as other teams move up ahead of teams whom they believe will stage their pick. Glass not half empty...it's a pint of beer freshly served. As I said prior to the draft, if the 3 WRs are gone, along with the top 2 OTs, I was ok with trading back. ITs just HOW it happened to us that sucks and who got the players. Gun to my head at 11 Im taking Parsons, probably part emotion too with me wanting a defensive player to F up Dak and Hurts. Once the 2 WRs were off the board, the Eagles knew they would miss out on a WR so they had to move up in front of us. But again, with Dallas? Major middle finger from both those 2 clubs. I like the Toney pick and getting that 1st next year for sure. Toney while slippery and fast, isnt a #1 like a Smith, Waddle or Chase could be. Getting Smith would have been huge, and trying to cover Smith on 3rd down is going to drive us insane. But the 2 top OT's were NOT gone .... Slater was sitting there for the plucking Covering Pitts on 3rd down would drive us insane...covering Toney on a third down will drive the Eagles insane, and other teams Have you really watched Toney? His breaks make Julian Edelman look predictable. Smith on 1st and 2nd down on the x is what scares me more....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 7:29:56 GMT -5
This reminds me exactly of the Eli Apple fiasco. TB and ATL trade in front and behind us. Directly. TB knew we wanted Floyd or Apple, as was mentioned the couple days prior, and they traded behind us wanting Hargraves knowing we wouldn't take him, giving AtL Floyd directly in front of us. Same thing but with decision rivals. Glad this time we traded back. With 6 picks, we had no choice but to let the draft come to us. Did you want to trade up to make sure that we got Smith? Absolutely not. We needed more picks. It did only cost Philly a 3rd rounder though to move up and get him. Lets see how our draft pans out fully. I know Im not alone feeling that gut punch when Philly moved directly in front of us and we all knew who it was for.
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Post by bluejayc on Apr 30, 2021 7:31:58 GMT -5
The Giants have a lot of inside connections at PSU and I guarantee did extensive research on Parsons. The fact that they passed tells me the concerns about him are well founded. I also think Toney was coveted by many teams late in the 1st. Everybody is looking for the next Tyreek Hill type game breaker. This is why Waddle went to Miami. I think this is going to turn out good. The 2022 draft picks are great insurance i think the Giants recognize this is a so/so draft. The trade was great imo. ^^THIS^^....weak overall draft class.....they weren't picking top 5......middle of the pack at 11. Yea I think they wanted Smith but they didn't get played by any means. It was clearly a panic move by the Cowboys not the Giants. I mean how stupid do you have to be to hand your division rival the Heisman trophy winner for a 3rd Rounder. My hats off to any Draft analyst, GM or board member who projected that (0) so to say the Giants were at fault for not seeing that coming is ludicrous. Stuff like this happens every single draft you just have to have a backup plan. I think they were set to draft Parsons at 11 after Smith was off the board but when Chicago threw the kitchen sink at them it was just too much value to turn down. That's going to be a top 10 (if not top 5) pick next year. So I love the trade back. As far as the pick itself I probably would have preferred the ND LB but I'm not a big draft guy.....if they had Kadarius rated as a high value pick at #20 then they still got their targeted position with additional picks to boot. W/in win in my book.
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Post by BlueReign on Apr 30, 2021 7:33:25 GMT -5
I like how Gettleman played the hand he was dealt.
I disagree with the notion the Giants were "played". Getting jumped has nothing to do with the team getting jumped. The Eagles identified who they wanted and made it happen; I'm more surprised that the Cowboys only squeezed a 3rd out of them.
The extra first (which is hopefully high) coupled with ours can get us a QB next year if Jones doesn't pan out. Win/win.
As for Toney, I don't know a ton about him, but I like what I see on tape and think that he's the modern-NFL receiver; he reminds me of Steve Smith with his toughness and agility. Time will tell, but I don't see any flaws with the way last night was handled.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 7:35:50 GMT -5
As I said prior to the draft, if the 3 WRs are gone, along with the top 2 OTs, I was ok with trading back. ITs just HOW it happened to us that sucks and who got the players. Gun to my head at 11 Im taking Parsons, probably part emotion too with me wanting a defensive player to F up Dak and Hurts. Once the 2 WRs were off the board, the Eagles knew they would miss out on a WR so they had to move up in front of us. But again, with Dallas? Major middle finger from both those 2 clubs. I like the Toney pick and getting that 1st next year for sure. Toney while slippery and fast, isnt a #1 like a Smith, Waddle or Chase could be. Getting Smith would have been huge, and trying to cover Smith on 3rd down is going to drive us insane. But the 2 top OT's were NOT gone .... Slater was sitting there for the plucking Covering Pitts on 3rd down would drive us insane...covering Toney on a third down will drive the Eagles insane, and other teams Have you really watched Toney? His breaks make Julian Edelman look predictable. Smith on 1st and 2nd down on the x is what scares me more.... Correct. We did let Slater go. I watched Toney quite a bit. You know this. Ive been pumping up Toney when people have been talking about Pitts. I saw a lot of Gator football last year. Toney is an athlete. Pure and simple. Blazing speed and quickness. He will most likely play an athlete role with us, which is great. He probably will return kicks too. That said, he isn't Smith. And his injuries worry me.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 30, 2021 7:45:31 GMT -5
With 6 picks, we had no choice but to let the draft come to us. Did you want to trade up to make sure that we got Smith? Absolutely not. We needed more picks. It did only cost Philly a 3rd rounder though to move up and get him. Lets see how our draft pans out fully. I know Im not alone feeling that gut punch when Philly moved directly in front of us and we all knew who it was for. that is absolutely true.
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Post by cocktailkerry on Apr 30, 2021 7:54:59 GMT -5
I don't think DG panicked but we definitely got played. We were all in on Smith. How did D.G. get played? What was he supposed to do? Trade up for the Slim Reaper and give up assests needed to fill the many holes we still have? Smith was available with one team ahead of us that wasn't going to take a WR. They let the board some to them, rightfully so, and adjusted accordingly when they didn't see a player they wanted at that position. Did the right thing in my opinion. Still picked up a versatile receiver and can now build with more picks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 7:57:42 GMT -5
But the 2 top OT's were NOT gone .... Slater was sitting there for the plucking Covering Pitts on 3rd down would drive us insane...covering Toney on a third down will drive the Eagles insane, and other teams Have you really watched Toney? His breaks make Julian Edelman look predictable. Smith on 1st and 2nd down on the x is what scares me more.... Correct. We did let Slater go. I watched Toney quite a bit. You know this. Ive been pumping up Toney when people have been talking about Pitts. I saw a lot of Gator football last year. Toney is an athlete. Pure and simple. Blazing speed and quickness. He will most likely play an athlete role with us, which is great. He probably will return kicks too. That said, he isn't Smith. And his injuries worry me. What injuries worrying you?
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Post by robl on Apr 30, 2021 7:58:12 GMT -5
When was the last time the Giants had 2 number one picks in a draft. I’m old and can’t ever remember this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 7:59:19 GMT -5
I don't think DG panicked but we definitely got played. We were all in on Smith. How did D.G. get played? What was he supposed to do? Trade up for the Slim Reaper and give up assests needed to fill the many holes we still have? Smith was available with one team ahead of us that wasn't going to take a WR. They let the board some to them, rightfully so, and adjusted accordingly when they didn't see a player they wanted at that position. Did the right thing in my opinion. Still picked up a versatile receiver and can now build with more picks. Yeah, the "played" narrative is silly....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 30, 2021 8:00:42 GMT -5
I don't think DG panicked but we definitely got played. We were all in on Smith. How did D.G. get played? What was he supposed to do? Trade up for the Slim Reaper and give up assests needed to fill the many holes we still have? Smith was available with one team ahead of us that wasn't going to take a WR. They let the board some to them, rightfully so, and adjusted accordingly when they didn't see a player they wanted at that position. Did the right thing in my opinion. Still picked up a versatile receiver and can now build with more picks. The team, team got played. DG not so much. I actually think he did an ok job handling this all. I would have liked more in 2021, like a 3rd instead of the 5th, but getting next years 1st from Chicago is great. Toney was on my radar too later in the 1st round. I didnt think it would be us though. The Giants got played by the Eagles and Cowboys. Eagles knew we were going Smith, which Im 99% sure we were, and snatched him from us. Dallas knowing that too, and I guess knowing we werent going Parsons after they missed out on the CBs. Lets not act like the Eagles didnt tank last year on purpose to keep us out of the playoffs. It was embarrassing obvious. We still needed to take care of it ourselves, but that did happen. Now this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 8:01:25 GMT -5
When was the last time the Giants had 2 number one picks in a draft. I’m old and can’t ever remember this. Jones and Lawrence ...and Deandre Baker. 3
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