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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 9:03:20 GMT -5
We. Did. Not. Get. Played. And even if we did...how would we know? By every definition, Dallas's trade with the eagles was dumb. They handed a division rival Smith to take the guy they could have taken at 10. It doesn't make sense, and never will make sense strategically. If you think that Judge and DG should have anticipated total stupidity, then sure, we got played. Oh I almost forgot, since people don't like it, it's DG's fault. Even though this is judge's team and Judge has more power. Guess he got played too? Everyone should take a second and analyze the rationality behind these thoughts. Doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. I loved Smith, wanted him for weeks. Thought we were gonna get him. Not in my wildest dreams did I think the cowboys would trade back two spots to take the same player they could have at 10 and hand him to the eagles. The other thing I don't know...maybe we were trading back the whole time because the gap between toney and Smith on their board wasn't big enough to not take the opportunity for a first rounder next year. No, it was obvious that the Giants did not covet Smith the way the Eagles did.....simple as that. How would you know this...they should have traded up for him? Makes no sense, boys didn't need a receiver, neither did the broncos...you would have traded up further for Smith? Terrible strategy. And no one could have anticipated the boys dumb trade to a division rival. Your conclusion is an emotional one because you wanted the team to draft Smith. |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 30, 2021 9:03:28 GMT -5
Well they had everyone thinking everything the Eagles were coming no matter what wether there was Smith / tor both Smith and Waddle this was reading the tea leaves If denver goes parsons or fields Smith is a Giant. Listen. More than half the board here was saying Smith to the Giants for a reason. The Eagles got the memo too. There is a leaky faucet still here somehow with the new regime. they didnt need a memo. Giants had Parsons, Slater and Smith. Everyine knew it. no leaks it just is what it is |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 9:06:13 GMT -5
Listen. More than half the board here was saying Smith to the Giants for a reason. The Eagles got the memo too. There is a leaky faucet still here somehow with the new regime. they didnt need a memo. Giants had Parsons, Slater and Smith. Everyine knew it. no leaks it just is what it is I love the leaks conspiracy theories. Giants, only team in the league that shows their hand every year! |
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Post by smitty on Apr 30, 2021 9:07:06 GMT -5
Cowboys knew Smith was going to the East. Their trade was smart. Got their guy and a free 3rd rounder. We dropped nine spots, not two, and got a 5th. We also did not get our player.
Next year’s #1 is a wild card could be another 20th pick based on Chicago’s performance last year.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 30, 2021 9:08:04 GMT -5
We. Did. Not. Get. Played. And even if we did...how would we know? By every definition, Dallas's trade with the eagles was dumb. They handed a division rival Smith to take the guy they could have taken at 10. It doesn't make sense, and never will make sense strategically. If you think that Judge and DG should have anticipated total stupidity, then sure, we got played. Oh I almost forgot, since people don't like it, it's DG's fault. Even though this is judge's team and Judge has more power. Guess he got played too? Everyone should take a second and analyze the rationality behind these thoughts. Doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. I loved Smith, wanted him for weeks. Thought we were gonna get him. Not in my wildest dreams did I think the cowboys would trade back two spots to take the same player they could have at 10 and hand him to the eagles. The other thing I don't know...maybe we were trading back the whole time because the gap between toney and Smith on their board wasn't big enough to not take the opportunity for a first rounder next year. How in the world is getting one of the best receivers in the draft and the other team gets one of the best defensive players in the draft considered stupid? Both teams got great players. The Eagles pulled a Bucs on us. They knew who we liked, just like the Bucs knew we liked Doug Martin years back. And instead of waiting and hoping he lands to them, they were the aggressors. I despise the Eagles and Cowboys. But, they got two players we will have to see multiple times a year for the next decade. |
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Post by ratbastich on Apr 30, 2021 9:08:51 GMT -5
No, it was obvious that the Giants did not covet Smith the way the Eagles did.....simple as that. How would you know this...they should have traded up for him? Makes no sense, boys didn't need a receiver, neither did the broncos...you would have traded up further for Smith? Terrible strategy. And no one could have anticipated the boys dumb trade to a division rival. Your conclusion is an emotional one because you wanted the team to draft Smith. The Cowboys were going to have to face Smith if it was us or the Eagles, they just chose to get an extra pick out of it and still get someone they wanted. The Cowboys didn't move far enough back to hurt them in anyway and actually benefitted. I wouldn't call it being played, I would call it being shrewd. The Cowboys chose their poison and got something out of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 9:14:25 GMT -5
We. Did. Not. Get. Played. And even if we did...how would we know? By every definition, Dallas's trade with the eagles was dumb. They handed a division rival Smith to take the guy they could have taken at 10. It doesn't make sense, and never will make sense strategically. If you think that Judge and DG should have anticipated total stupidity, then sure, we got played. Oh I almost forgot, since people don't like it, it's DG's fault. Even though this is judge's team and Judge has more power. Guess he got played too? Everyone should take a second and analyze the rationality behind these thoughts. Doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. I loved Smith, wanted him for weeks. Thought we were gonna get him. Not in my wildest dreams did I think the cowboys would trade back two spots to take the same player they could have at 10 and hand him to the eagles. The other thing I don't know...maybe we were trading back the whole time because the gap between toney and Smith on their board wasn't big enough to not take the opportunity for a first rounder next year.Every year it's the same...teams take the shiney wide receivers too early...and every year the later picked receivers star in the NFL.  Brilliant trade |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 30, 2021 9:14:31 GMT -5
Cowboys knew Smith was going to the East. Their trade was smart. Got their guy and a free 3rd rounder. We dropped nine spots, not two, and got a 5th. We also did not get our player. Next year’s #1 is a wild card could be another 20th pick based on Chicago’s performance last year. It was easy pickings for the Cowturds and Philthy. The situation fell right in their laps. It was a no brainer. Not some highly manipulated piece of GM'ing at all. We still got a top playmaker and extra picks. The NYGs obviously were not going Smith or Parsons or Slater. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 30, 2021 9:16:13 GMT -5
Ross is an idiot. He will say anything to justify his years of inept player evaluations. |
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 30, 2021 9:17:17 GMT -5
Cowboys knew Smith was going to the East. Their trade was smart. Got their guy and a free 3rd rounder. We dropped nine spots, not two, and got a 5th. We also did not get our player. Next year’s #1 is a wild card could be another 20th pick based on Chicago’s performance last year. It was easy pickings for the Cowturds and Philthy. The situation fell right in their laps. It was a no brainer. Not some highly manipulated piece of GM'ing at all. We still got a top playmaker and extra picks. The NYGs obviously were not going Smith or Parsons or Slater. It's obvious that the Giants WERE drafting Smith. That's why Philly jumped us to pick him. It's also obvious because we immediately traded down once Smith was picked and then drafted the next WR available at 20.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 30, 2021 9:20:01 GMT -5
It was easy pickings for the Cowturds and Philthy. The situation fell right in their laps. It was a no brainer. Not some highly manipulated piece of GM'ing at all. We still got a top playmaker and extra picks. The NYGs obviously were not going Smith or Parsons or Slater. It's obvious that the Giants WERE drafting Smith. That's why Philly jumped us to pick him. It's also obvious because we immediately traded down once Smith was picked and then drafted the next WR available at 20.
It was obvious before the draft. What wasnt obvious is the eagles trading up. But as I said the situation fell to the Turds and Philthy so it was a no brainer for them. Wasnt some expert GM'ing. You could have made that call.....lol I thought the NYGs had a board at #11 that Smith or Parsons or Slater. After last night they wanted a playmaker. They got one plus extra. Turned ut to be a good move by Dave and I am sure Judge is happy too |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 9:21:10 GMT -5
It was easy pickings for the Cowturds and Philthy. The situation fell right in their laps. It was a no brainer. Not some highly manipulated piece of GM'ing at all. We still got a top playmaker and extra picks. The NYGs obviously were not going Smith or Parsons or Slater. It's obvious that the Giants WERE drafting Smith. That's why Philly jumped us to pick him. It's also obvious because we immediately traded down once Smith was picked and then drafted the next WR available at 20.
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Post by TEM on Apr 30, 2021 9:22:59 GMT -5
It was easy pickings for the Cowturds and Philthy. The situation fell right in their laps. It was a no brainer. Not some highly manipulated piece of GM'ing at all. We still got a top playmaker and extra picks. The NYGs obviously were not going Smith or Parsons or Slater. It's obvious that the Giants WERE drafting Smith. That's why Philly jumped us to pick him. It's also obvious because we immediately traded down once Smith was picked and then drafted the next WR available at 20.
Philly's FO is full of idiots. Any team that uses the "we will keep them from getting this guy" method of team building are morons. It doesn't matter that our entire O-line sucks.We kept a rival from getting a player.That is all that matters. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 9:26:57 GMT -5
We. Did. Not. Get. Played. And even if we did...how would we know? By every definition, Dallas's trade with the eagles was dumb. They handed a division rival Smith to take the guy they could have taken at 10. It doesn't make sense, and never will make sense strategically. If you think that Judge and DG should have anticipated total stupidity, then sure, we got played. Oh I almost forgot, since people don't like it, it's DG's fault. Even though this is judge's team and Judge has more power. Guess he got played too? Everyone should take a second and analyze the rationality behind these thoughts. Doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. I loved Smith, wanted him for weeks. Thought we were gonna get him. Not in my wildest dreams did I think the cowboys would trade back two spots to take the same player they could have at 10 and hand him to the eagles. The other thing I don't know...maybe we were trading back the whole time because the gap between toney and Smith on their board wasn't big enough to not take the opportunity for a first rounder next year. How in the world is getting one of the best receivers in the draft and the other team gets one of the best defensive players in the draft considered stupid? Both teams got great players. The Eagles pulled a Bucs on us. They knew who we liked, just like the Bucs knew we liked Doug Martin years back. And instead of waiting and hoping he lands to them, they were the aggressors. I despise the Eagles and Cowboys. But, they got two players we will have to see multiple times a year for the next decade. The Doug Martin thing was and always will be pure speculation. It's dumb if you're the cowboys. Why on earth would you trade back two spots to take Parsons, when you could have taken him at 10, and gift your division rival Smith. That's a dumb trade as the cowboys. It's so dumb, that I don't think anyone thinking rationally could anticipate it happening. The Eagles also need a receiver, they didn't pull anything on us, they totally fleeced the cowboys though. Also, my question remains, what should the Giants have done? Trade up ahead of the Cowboys? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 9:27:29 GMT -5
It's obvious that the Giants WERE drafting Smith. That's why Philly jumped us to pick him. It's also obvious because we immediately traded down once Smith was picked and then drafted the next WR available at 20.
So, it was a bad thing to have a plan B in place? Plan B actually became better than Plan A...we should be thanking the Cowboys for being inept. Now they lack the corners to cover Smith AND Toney....  Giant fans are going to love Toney ...every time he breaks an ankle, and makes that third down...we can smile, and then check out the Bears game for our other number 1 pick position |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 30, 2021 9:29:20 GMT -5
Cowboys knew Smith was going to the East. Their trade was smart. Got their guy and a free 3rd rounder. We dropped nine spots, not two, and got a 5th. We also did not get our player. Next year’s #1 is a wild card could be another 20th pick based on Chicago’s performance last year. You are literally the only person on the planet suggesting that the Giants didn’t get good return for the trade. Time to reevaluate |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 9:30:01 GMT -5
So, it was a bad thing to have a plan B in place? Plan B actually became better than Plan A...we should be thanking the Cowboys for being inept. Now they lack the corners to cover Smith AND Toney.... Giant fans are going to love Toney ...every time he breaks an ankle, and makes that third down...we can smile, and then check out the Bears game for our other number 1 pick position My 2 favorite teams next year. Giants (obviously) and every opponent the Bears face. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 9:30:52 GMT -5
We. Did. Not. Get. Played. And even if we did...how would we know? By every definition, Dallas's trade with the eagles was dumb. They handed a division rival Smith to take the guy they could have taken at 10. It doesn't make sense, and never will make sense strategically. If you think that Judge and DG should have anticipated total stupidity, then sure, we got played. Oh I almost forgot, since people don't like it, it's DG's fault. Even though this is judge's team and Judge has more power. Guess he got played too? Everyone should take a second and analyze the rationality behind these thoughts. Doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. I loved Smith, wanted him for weeks. Thought we were gonna get him. Not in my wildest dreams did I think the cowboys would trade back two spots to take the same player they could have at 10 and hand him to the eagles. The other thing I don't know...maybe we were trading back the whole time because the gap between toney and Smith on their board wasn't big enough to not take the opportunity for a first rounder next year.Every year it's the same...teams take the shiney wide receivers too early...and every year the later picked receivers star in the NFL. Brilliant trade You'd think with Justin Jefferson a year ago, people would understand this. Not a knock on any of the top guys taken, I liked them all, especially Smith and would have been thrilled if he was in Blue. And since we're one day removed from the first round, of course any one of the top three could have a better career than Toney. The opposite can also be true. But this end of the world, we got fleeced (which still makes absolutely no sense, since the only way to avoid what happened would have been to trade ahead of the cowboys, which would make zero sense since the Cowboys most likely were not taking a receiver), is so hilarious to me. |
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 30, 2021 9:31:53 GMT -5
It's obvious that the Giants WERE drafting Smith. That's why Philly jumped us to pick him. It's also obvious because we immediately traded down once Smith was picked and then drafted the next WR available at 20.
So, it was a bad thing to have a plan B in place? No. I was just responding to a view that we weren't going after Smith. It was clear that Smith was who we coveted. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 9:32:13 GMT -5
So, it was a bad thing to have a plan B in place? Plan B actually became better than Plan A...we should be thanking the Cowboys for being inept. Now they lack the corners to cover Smith AND Toney.... Giant fans are going to love Toney ...every time he breaks an ankle, and makes that third down...we can smile, and then check out the Bears game for our other number 1 pick position If I was a cowboys fan, I'd be furious about that trade. Eagles as a most hated division rival and you gift them smith, to take the same guy you were gonna take at 10 after surtain and horn were gone. Doesn't make a lick of sense and never will. Howie dunked on Jerry. |
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 30, 2021 9:34:15 GMT -5
I don’t think so at all. Parsons is the real deal. I believe it’s who they wanted all along. He will give us fits for years. I hate the fact that Parsons went to the Cowboys because we will be watching him make plays against us for years.. |
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Post by Morehead State on Apr 30, 2021 9:34:49 GMT -5
Plan B actually became better than Plan A...we should be thanking the Cowboys for being inept. Now they lack the corners to cover Smith AND Toney.... Giant fans are going to love Toney ...every time he breaks an ankle, and makes that third down...we can smile, and then check out the Bears game for our other number 1 pick position If I was a cowboys fan, I'd be furious about that trade. Eagles as a most hated division rival and you gift them smith, to take the same guy you were gonna take at 10 after surtain and horn were gone. Doesn't make a lick of sense and never will. Howie dunked on Jerry. I'm telling you, the Cowboys don't fear Philly. They are rebuilding. They DO fear the Giants. That's why they made that trade. |
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 30, 2021 9:38:31 GMT -5
How in the world is getting one of the best receivers in the draft and the other team gets one of the best defensive players in the draft considered stupid? Both teams got great players. The Eagles pulled a Bucs on us. They knew who we liked, just like the Bucs knew we liked Doug Martin years back. And instead of waiting and hoping he lands to them, they were the aggressors. I despise the Eagles and Cowboys. But, they got two players we will have to see multiple times a year for the next decade. The Doug Martin thing was and always will be pure speculation. It's dumb if you're the cowboys. Why on earth would you trade back two spots to take Parsons, when you could have taken him at 10, and gift your division rival Smith. That's a dumb trade as the cowboys. It's so dumb, that I don't think anyone thinking rationally could anticipate it happening. The Eagles also need a receiver, they didn't pull anything on us, they totally fleeced the cowboys though. Also, my question remains, what should the Giants have done? Trade up ahead of the Cowboys? Speculation always has some truth to it. Again, how is getting top players at their position dumb? The Cowboys got their defensive player, who by all accounts they were enamored with . And got a 3rd round pick in return. The Eagles, got their receiver, knowing he would have been drafted by us at 11. Rational thinking took the night off if anyone thinks this didn’t benefit both clubs. What should the Giants have done? Draft Parsons or Slater. Take one of the best players off the board. It’s clear that the Giants didn’t value both players as much, and that their contingency plan if Smith was gone was to trade back. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 9:50:44 GMT -5
I don’t think so at all. Parsons is the real deal. I believe it’s who they wanted all along. He will give us fits for years. I hate the fact that Parsons went to the Cowboys because we will be watching him make plays against us for years.. Parsons was my #1 pick. I was disappointed when the trade was announced and I knew Dallas going to take him. BUT.....it's obvious that he didn't convince Judge that his "immaturity" was a thing of the past. Then I heard him speak at the podium. We may have dodged a bullet. |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 10:11:59 GMT -5
If I was a cowboys fan, I'd be furious about that trade. Eagles as a most hated division rival and you gift them smith, to take the same guy you were gonna take at 10 after surtain and horn were gone. Doesn't make a lick of sense and never will. Howie dunked on Jerry. I'm telling you, the Cowboys don't fear Philly. They are rebuilding. They DO fear the Giants. That's why they made that trade. Maybe, and in that case, really nothing the Giants could do, outside of trade up past the cowboys for smith, which I think would have been super dumb. And you'd still have to have anticipated something that's not totally logical. |
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Post by te88 on Apr 30, 2021 10:12:12 GMT -5
With 6 picks, we had no choice but to let the draft come to us. Did you want to trade up to make sure that we got Smith? Absolutely not. We needed more picks. It did only cost Philly a 3rd rounder though to move up and get him. Lets see how our draft pans out fully. I know Im not alone feeling that gut punch when Philly moved directly in front of us and we all knew who it was for. Yeah but everybody knew roseman was gonna try to get a bama WR for Sirani and Hurts. The Giants anticipated the dirty move by Dallas to give Smith to the weaker team by having a big trade with Chicago on deck. It was smart and something the Giants don’t normally do. Refreshing |
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Post by lasion2 on Apr 30, 2021 10:15:41 GMT -5
Plan B actually became better than Plan A...we should be thanking the Cowboys for being inept. Now they lack the corners to cover Smith AND Toney.... Giant fans are going to love Toney ...every time he breaks an ankle, and makes that third down...we can smile, and then check out the Bears game for our other number 1 pick position My 2 favorite teams next year. Giants (obviously) and every opponent the Bears face. here’s to having the 1st and 32nd picks 😉 |
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Post by jaymas on Apr 30, 2021 10:16:25 GMT -5
The Doug Martin thing was and always will be pure speculation. It's dumb if you're the cowboys. Why on earth would you trade back two spots to take Parsons, when you could have taken him at 10, and gift your division rival Smith. That's a dumb trade as the cowboys. It's so dumb, that I don't think anyone thinking rationally could anticipate it happening. The Eagles also need a receiver, they didn't pull anything on us, they totally fleeced the cowboys though. Also, my question remains, what should the Giants have done? Trade up ahead of the Cowboys? Speculation always has some truth to it. Again, how is getting top players at their position dumb? The Cowboys got their defensive player, who by all accounts they were enamored with . And got a 3rd round pick in return. The Eagles, got their receiver, knowing he would have been drafted by us at 11. Rational thinking took the night off if anyone thinks this didn’t benefit both clubs. What should the Giants have done? Draft Parsons or Slater. Take one of the best players off the board. It’s clear that the Giants didn’t value both players as much, and that their contingency plan if Smith was gone was to trade back. Because they could have gotten their top player and not gifted their rival theirs had they stayed put. What's more valuable, Smith not on the Eagles or a 3rd round pick? I'm with Morehead, honestly. The only way this makes sense is if they fear the Giants more than the Eagles, and figured if Smith was gonna go to one of the teams, Eagles was the safer one and they get the 3rd round pick. However, it's not something we could have anticipated to guarantee smith to us. We would have had to have traded up to ensure that. Trading up would have been silly. You wanna say as a fan, stay put and take parsons or slater? I can totally understand that perspective. What it does tell me is three things: 1. Giants are high on the oline players in the building and the rd 2 to 4 options. 2. They are high on their coaching overhaul for the oline and 3. They really wanted a receiver (for good reason) and Toney's gap on the board from the top guys wasn't really big, and maybe they valued the skill position player more than the backer or oline based on need. To me all of this is layered, sound strategic thinking. And we got a first round pick for next year out of it. There is no way I slice it where I think the Giants did something stupid or got fleeced. Evidence doesn't point to that at all. |
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