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Post by nyg2 on May 8, 2021 21:30:05 GMT -5
But it's clearly not a "fabricated" story. He never admitted to fabricating anything. You're clearly talking out of both sides of your mouth, you should get your argument straight prior to taking an adversarial stance. Either he never admitted to it, or the story itself wasn't a fabrication. If we're talking about the former it's like TEM said no one is going to come out and say "Yeah I fabricated the story" as for the latter lets take your definition for fabrication. In other words, fabricating is lying. Now here's you acknowledging that his initial release of the story *on draft day* is much different than how he explains it nearly a week later. Meaning that he lied so by your definition he clearly fabricated the story. He took a bunch of information and put it together to reach this conclusion.
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Post by Morehead State on May 8, 2021 21:30:08 GMT -5
It's not semantics. What he said wasn't true. Schefter never admitted anything.
Come on T....
I am not disputing that . I am saying . It was fabricated if he admits it or not. The op basic narrative is sound. OK..... When one "fabricates" a story, it means they completely made it up. It's just not what happened. You could say that he had insufficient evidence. You could say that you disagree with his conclusion. You could say that his journalistic standards weren't high enough. All those are reasonable points of view. But it's not "fabricated"
That's when you go out completely making up stories. Which is NOT what happened here. He drew a conclusion from what he learned from his reporting. Personally, I have no idea what all that evidence was from which he drew those conclusions, so I can't claim his evidence was thin or not.
But stop with the "fabricating" claims. That's just nonsense. He's not some unknown dope on the web. He's a respected reporter on all things NFL.
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Post by Morehead State on May 8, 2021 21:33:32 GMT -5
But it's clearly not a "fabricated" story. He never admitted to fabricating anything. You're clearly talking out of both sides of your mouth, you should get your argument straight prior to taking an adversarial stance. Either he never admitted to it, or the story itself wasn't a fabrication. If we're talking about the former it's like TEM said no one is going to come out and say "Yeah I fabricated the story" as for the latter lets take your definition for fabrication. In other words, fabricating is lying. Now here's you acknowledging that his initial release of the story *on draft day* is much different than how he explains it nearly a week later. Meaning that he lied so by your definition he clearly fabricated the story. He took a bunch of information and put it together to reach this conclusion. 1. He didn't admit to fabricating the story. That was claimed by you and it wasn't true. (And you question Schefter's veracity.) Ironic.
2. A "fabricated" story is one that's completely made up. That didn't happen either.
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Post by nyg2 on May 8, 2021 21:38:34 GMT -5
A "fabricated" story is one that's completely made up. That didn't happen either. In other words, fabricating is lying. Keep moving the goal posts. emoji
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Post by DandyDon on May 8, 2021 21:39:41 GMT -5
I am not disputing that . I am saying . It was fabricated if he admits it or not. The op basic narrative is sound. OK..... When one "fabricates" a story, it means they completely made it up. It's just not what happened. You could say that he had insufficient evidence. You could say that you disagree with his conclusion. You could say that his journalistic standards weren't high enough. All those are reasonable points of view. But it's not "fabricated"
That's when you go out completely making up stories. Which is NOT what happened here. He drew a conclusion from what he learned from his reporting. Personally, I have no idea what all that evidence was from which he drew those conclusions, so I can't claim his evidence was thin or not.
But stop with the "fabricating" claims. That's just nonsense. He's not some unknown dope on the web. He's a respected reporter on all things NFL.
I bet after this he is a little less "respected." Reporting something as "news" when it is just a bunch of old reporting, obviously timed to get a reaction before the draft is bush league. He invented a story based in his being respected. But there's a lot of that going around.
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Post by Morehead State on May 8, 2021 21:46:36 GMT -5
A "fabricated" story is one that's completely made up. That didn't happen either. In other words, fabricating is lying. Keep moving the goal posts. You "fabricated" that he admitted anything.
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Post by nyg2 on May 8, 2021 21:51:17 GMT -5
Keep moving the goal posts. You "fabricated" that he admitted anything. So you acknowledge that he fabricated the story.
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Post by Morehead State on May 8, 2021 22:00:37 GMT -5
You "fabricated" that he admitted anything. So you acknowledge that he fabricated the story. He didn't fabricate anything. (my opinion)
He didn't admit to fabrication anything. (empirical fact)
Let's set the goal posts firmly in place. You didn't tell the truth when you said he admitted to fabricating the story.
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Post by TEM on May 8, 2021 22:04:32 GMT -5
I am not disputing that . I am saying . It was fabricated if he admits it or not. The op basic narrative is sound. OK..... When one "fabricates" a story, it means they completely made it up. It's just not what happened. You could say that he had insufficient evidence. You could say that you disagree with his conclusion. You could say that his journalistic standards weren't high enough. All those are reasonable points of view. But it's not "fabricated"
That's when you go out completely making up stories. Which is NOT what happened here. He drew a conclusion from what he learned from his reporting. Personally, I have no idea what all that evidence was from which he drew those conclusions, so I can't claim his evidence was thin or not.
But stop with the "fabricating" claims. That's just nonsense. He's not some unknown dope on the web. He's a respected reporter on all things NFL. It is not nonsense. I will explain why with logic. Taking unconfirmed information and propose it as fact. Is fabricated truth by deffination. There very wide deference between a hypothesis and verification. No one knows what his evidence is .Again a red flag with the credibility of his sources. If he did not fabricate.it. Why not quote the individuals who he claimed gave him the information? Again not naming sources and using them with the "take my word for it" belief system . That is a a form of Bull Shit. And Bull Shit is fabricated facts. What is nonsense; is the belief in todays 24 hour news reporting. That anything being reported without confirmation should be taken as fact. That my friend is nonsense.
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Post by Morehead State on May 8, 2021 22:30:10 GMT -5
OK..... When one "fabricates" a story, it means they completely made it up. It's just not what happened. You could say that he had insufficient evidence. You could say that you disagree with his conclusion. You could say that his journalistic standards weren't high enough. All those are reasonable points of view. But it's not "fabricated"
That's when you go out completely making up stories. Which is NOT what happened here. He drew a conclusion from what he learned from his reporting. Personally, I have no idea what all that evidence was from which he drew those conclusions, so I can't claim his evidence was thin or not.
But stop with the "fabricating" claims. That's just nonsense. He's not some unknown dope on the web. He's a respected reporter on all things NFL. It is not nonsense. I will explain why with logic. Taking unconfirmed information and propose it as fact. Is fabricated truth by deffination. There very wide deference between a hypothesis and verification. No one knows what his evidence is .Again a red flag with the credibility of his sources. If he did not fabricate.it. Why not quote the individuals who he claimed gave him the information? Again not naming sources and using them with the "take my word for it" belief system . That is a a form of Bull Shit. And Bull Shit is fabricated facts. What is nonsense; is the belief in todays 24 hour news reporting. That anything being reported without confirmation should be taken as fact. That my friend is nonsense. How are you defining "unconfirmed"?
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Post by nyg2 on May 8, 2021 22:48:32 GMT -5
So you acknowledge that he fabricated the story. He didn't fabricate anything. (my opinion)
He didn't admit to fabrication anything. (empirical fact)
Let's set the goal posts firmly in place. You didn't tell the truth when you said he admitted to fabricating the story.
If what you said was accurate, that he was completely upfront and he was honest from the beginning he wouldn’t have needed to do a follow up and explain himself. By doing this interview he’s inherently “admitting” that the original story that he did was not factual.
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Post by Morehead State on May 8, 2021 22:53:21 GMT -5
He didn't fabricate anything. (my opinion)
He didn't admit to fabrication anything. (empirical fact)
Let's set the goal posts firmly in place. You didn't tell the truth when you said he admitted to fabricating the story.
If what you said was accurate, that he was completely upfront and he was honest from the beginning he wouldn’t have needed to do a follow up and explain himself. By doing this interview he’s inherently “admitting” that the original story that he did was not factual. That's a very odd interpretation of things. But stick to it, no matter what.
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Post by TEM on May 9, 2021 7:12:29 GMT -5
It is not nonsense. I will explain why with logic. Taking unconfirmed information and propose it as fact. Is fabricated truth by deffination. There very wide deference between a hypothesis and verification. No one knows what his evidence is .Again a red flag with the credibility of his sources. If he did not fabricate.it. Why not quote the individuals who he claimed gave him the information? Again not naming sources and using them with the "take my word for it" belief system . That is a a form of Bull Shit. And Bull Shit is fabricated facts. What is nonsense; is the belief in todays 24 hour news reporting. That anything being reported without confirmation should be taken as fact. That my friend is nonsense. How are you defining "unconfirmed"? As he called all of his so call leads "Sources" I will say this again .Football is not the witness protection program. Your information givers can be named.
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Post by Fletch842 on May 9, 2021 8:39:23 GMT -5
OK..... When one "fabricates" a story, it means they completely made it up. It's just not what happened. You could say that he had insufficient evidence. You could say that you disagree with his conclusion. You could say that his journalistic standards weren't high enough. All those are reasonable points of view. But it's not "fabricated"
That's when you go out completely making up stories. Which is NOT what happened here. He drew a conclusion from what he learned from his reporting. Personally, I have no idea what all that evidence was from which he drew those conclusions, so I can't claim his evidence was thin or not.
But stop with the "fabricating" claims. That's just nonsense. He's not some unknown dope on the web. He's a respected reporter on all things NFL.
I bet after this he is a little less "respected." Reporting something as "news" when it is just a bunch of old reporting, obviously timed to get a reaction before the draft is bush league. He invented a story based in his being respected. But there's a lot of that going around. exactly
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Post by GameTime on May 9, 2021 8:40:58 GMT -5
not what he reported but when. He was doing the ratings whore thing.
with that said BFD.........
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Post by Morehead State on May 9, 2021 9:15:04 GMT -5
Sometimes you have to have an inane argument to pass the time.......so thanks everyone for yesterday.
Especially ngy2.
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