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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 3, 2021 21:27:40 GMT -5
Hey jmike, it's not your fault this time! Is every Toney thread going to turn into a gun thread now? Lol 67 catches 711 yards 6 TDs 18 rushes 239 yards 2 TDs 22 punt returns 301 yards 1 TD 2021 season stats Daym over 1K total yards as a rookie I'll take it Makes Shepard very expendable I actually thing 65 catches will get him more in the air TBH.. He does have deep speed
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 3, 2021 21:36:48 GMT -5
And not slip up and shoot a hole in your thy. Walking around with a gun in your pants is so stupid, he is lucky he didn't shoot something else.... Damn, Plaxico ruined the chances chances of winning another and they were better team in 2008 than they were when they won the Super Bowl. It could have been 3 in 5 years.... That year during the regular season they beat most of the playoff field and beat both superbowl teams that year. I agree 100% before Plex shot himself they were the best team in the league beat the steelers and Cards on the road that year.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 3, 2021 21:41:52 GMT -5
How is owning a weapon a character issue? In the past year I purchased a Troy A4. In fact I consulted Irish Mike's advice on it. Before I bought it. He is the boards weapons expert. Exercising your 2nd amendment rights should never be a clalafacation of a bad individual . I actually left my job in the gun industry and went back into the military full time. Still a nice purchase on your part though. People get a little nutty when talking about guns. I try to avoid those discussions at all costs. It's hard though, not going to lie.
Not an easy conversation usually. If your not mentally ill and a responsible adult I see no issue with exercising your 2nd amendment right. Mike we live in a nutty world who ever thought we would see a 12 year old boy having a shoot out with sheriffs can't make this shit up.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 3, 2021 21:54:21 GMT -5
I'm about to cycber squat some of these rookies domain names.
make a quick couple of racks.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 3, 2021 22:25:55 GMT -5
I'm about to cycber squat some of these rookies domain names. make a quick couple of racks. Unfortunately for you, It's illegal to register someone’s name without their consent.
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Post by TEM on Jun 4, 2021 6:37:28 GMT -5
How is owning a weapon a character issue? In the past year I purchased a Troy A4. In fact I consulted Irish Mike's advice on it. Before I bought it. He is the boards weapons expert. Exercising your 2nd amendment rights should never be a clalafacation of a bad individual . It's not, unless he decides to bring an unlicensed handgun into a club in NYC and shoot himself in the thigh like a dumbass... What does that have to do with Tony? Are you saying legal gun owners and individuals that purchase weapons on the black market are one and the same?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 6:51:13 GMT -5
It's not, unless he decides to bring an unlicensed handgun into a club in NYC and shoot himself in the thigh like a dumbass... What does that have to do with Tony? Are you saying legal gun owners and individuals that purchase weapons on the black market are one and the same? LOL.. He was making fun of Plax..
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Post by TEM on Jun 4, 2021 7:02:32 GMT -5
What does that have to do with Tony? Are you saying legal gun owners and individuals that purchase weapons on the black market are one and the same? LOL.. He was making fun of Plax.. I do not see it that way. This the same excuse the anti-gun contingent uses to place legal gun owners in the same category criminals. It is always the same argument with them. The criminal did this with the gun. So everyone that owns a gun must have the same intent to possess the firearm. No device had ever killed anyone from a stick to a nuke. It has always needed interaction with a human to be weponised. Yet it is always the device at fault in the decisions.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 4, 2021 7:28:08 GMT -5
It's not, unless he decides to bring an unlicensed handgun into a club in NYC and shoot himself in the thigh like a dumbass... What does that have to do with Tony? Are you saying legal gun owners and individuals that purchase weapons on the black market are one and the same? Lol, nothing at all. Just bitterness from the Plaxico situation spilling over. Damn guy could have cost the Giants a Lombardi that year... Also, I started by comment by saying it's not, so doesn't that tell you my stance on that position?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 7:55:48 GMT -5
What does that have to do with Tony? Are you saying legal gun owners and individuals that purchase weapons on the black market are one and the same? Lol, nothing at all. Just bitterness from the Plaxico situation spilling over. Damn guy could have cost the Giants a Lombardi that year... Also, I started by comment by saying it's not, so doesn't that tell you my stance on that position?Good luck! lmao..
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Post by TEM on Jun 4, 2021 8:49:01 GMT -5
What does that have to do with Tony? Are you saying legal gun owners and individuals that purchase weapons on the black market are one and the same? Lol, nothing at all. Just bitterness from the Plaxico situation spilling over. Damn guy could have cost the Giants a Lombardi that year... Also, I started by comment by saying it's not, so doesn't that tell you my stance on that position? I get your dismay with Plex. But you also insinuated that on event with a gun could be a possibility with another player that owns a gun. Even though a poor outcome is a statistical probability is very low for any bad outcome. There are millions of guns in public hands. Yet not even a thousand insidents with legal gun ownership annually. The public is conditioned to associate anytime a gun is mentioned to think of it in a negative way You can look at the conditional thought assocation with just changing your words a bit. Lets use he owns a Jet instead of an AR. Until he crashes that plane into a building and killing all the occupants. Sounds ridiculous right. Yet with 3 pulls of a trigger (3 airplanes) Thousands were killed. We are not conditioned to believe airplanes are use in a nefarious way.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 4, 2021 9:07:38 GMT -5
Lol, nothing at all. Just bitterness from the Plaxico situation spilling over. Damn guy could have cost the Giants a Lombardi that year... Also, I started by comment by saying it's not, so doesn't that tell you my stance on that position? I get your dismay with Plex. But you also insinuated that on event with a gun could be a possibility with another player that owns a gun. Even though a poor outcome is a statistical probability is very low for any bad outcome. There are millions of guns in public hands. Yet not even a thousand insidents with legal gun ownership annually. The public is conditioned to associate anytime a gun is mentioned to think of it in a negative way You can look at the conditional thought assocation with just changing your words a bit. Lets use he owns a Jet instead of an AR. Until he crashes that plane into a building and killing all the occupants. Sounds ridiculous right. Yet with 3 pulls of a trigger (3 airplanes) Thousands were killed. We are not conditioned to believe airplanes are use in a nefarious way. I get what you are saying but I don't really want to get into this topic on the Giants Message board. My initial comment that I highlighted should speak for itself and I already mentioned that Plex's situation just inspired some bitterness and has no bearing on Toney. I was trying to be semi-funny (Showing bitterness) and drew a very weak parallel. Finally, if you knew who I was, you would realize that there wouldn't be a need to have this conversation...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 4, 2021 10:36:36 GMT -5
And not slip up and shoot a hole in your thy. Walking around with a gun in your pants is so stupid, he is lucky he didn't shoot something else.... Damn, Plaxico ruined the chances chances of winning another and they were better team in 2008 than they were when they won the Super Bowl. It could have been 3 in 5 years.... Especially tucking the gun in the waste band of his sweat pants. Sweat Pants ! He shoots himself in the thigh and the Giants in the foot. As far as the team we weren't anywhere the same. As for himself his career was finished. Hope he and his family are doing well. I still remember him fondly.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 4, 2021 10:54:02 GMT -5
Walking around with a gun in your pants is so stupid, he is lucky he didn't shoot something else.... Damn, Plaxico ruined the chances chances of winning another and they were better team in 2008 than they were when they won the Super Bowl. It could have been 3 in 5 years.... Especially tucking the gun in the waste band of his sweat pants. Sweat Pants ! He shoots himself in the thigh and the Giants in the foot. As far as the team we weren't anywhere the same. As for himself his career was finished. Hope he and his family are doing well. I still remember him fondly. Yeah, I felt bad that he went to jail but damn, tucking a gun into sweat pants is next level stupid. He was pivotal in the Giants Super Bowl so i can't really get on him to much. Also, who the hell wears sweat pants to a club? Was he trying to pull a George Costanza impression?
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Post by mikethenygfan on Jun 5, 2021 8:05:17 GMT -5
I think Toney is going to need a tutor to help him learn the offense. If it was me I'd give him extra attention and help cause he could be such a new dynamic in our offense. I want him ready to go as soon as possible. I think he winds up lining up in 3-4 spots. 3 WR spots, the backfield, in motion, plus ST's. It's a lot for a rookie to grasp i would think. I wouldn't be surprised if Goloday, Shep, and Ross are our starting wideouts. With Slayton and Toney being plugged in. There is a whole bunch of speed in these WR's. I honestly don't think we miss a beat with any combo of these guys. Just think this guy is going to be a hell of a weapon. you think ross will beat out slayton?
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 5, 2021 8:16:54 GMT -5
Especially tucking the gun in the waste band of his sweat pants. Sweat Pants ! He shoots himself in the thigh and the Giants in the foot. As far as the team we weren't anywhere the same. As for himself his career was finished. Hope he and his family are doing well. I still remember him fondly. Yeah, I felt bad that he went to jail but damn, tucking a gun into sweat pants is next level stupid. He was pivotal in the Giants Super Bowl so i can't really get on him to much. Also, who the hell wears sweat pants to a club? Was he trying to pull a George Costanza impression? Plaxico was as sharp as a spoon. This is also the same guy who spiked a ball during live play.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 5, 2021 9:28:34 GMT -5
I think Toney is going to need a tutor to help him learn the offense. If it was me I'd give him extra attention and help cause he could be such a new dynamic in our offense. I want him ready to go as soon as possible. I think he winds up lining up in 3-4 spots. 3 WR spots, the backfield, in motion, plus ST's. It's a lot for a rookie to grasp i would think. I wouldn't be surprised if Goloday, Shep, and Ross are our starting wideouts. With Slayton and Toney being plugged in. There is a whole bunch of speed in these WR's. I honestly don't think we miss a beat with any combo of these guys. Just think this guy is going to be a hell of a weapon. you think ross will beat out slayton? I'm not sure but I think Ross has should have produced considerably more than he did on his rookie contract. He was the fastest guy at the combine if I remember correctly. I just think he has so much potential. And here he is going to be the 3rd choice at best. I'm thinking Slayton being played at all 3 WR positions and moving around a lot. Both these players have a tendency to disappear for games at a time. But starting out I think I'm starting Ross at the Z receiver. He has to be one on one deep with the attention going to Goloday. Maybe it's more hope than substance but we'll know soon enough.
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Post by TEM on Jun 5, 2021 11:51:13 GMT -5
you think ross will beat out slayton? I'm not sure but I think Ross has should have produced considerably more than he did on his rookie contract. He was the fastest guy at the combine if I remember correctly. I just think he has so much potential. And here he is going to be the 3rd choice at best. I'm thinking Slayton being played at all 3 WR positions and moving around a lot. Both these players have a tendency to disappear for games at a time. But starting out I think I'm starting Ross at the Z receiver. He has to be one on one deep with the attention going to Goloday. Maybe it's more hope than substance but we'll know soon enough. I agree IMO: Golladay Shep Ross Toney Are going to be hard to unseat from their respective slots in preference when healthy. Toney may jump Ross ? There is no arguing Jones' 62% completion rate last year and Slaton's 52% reception rating were not close to uniformity. ( Shep had a 73% reception rating) Slaton was not getting it done. Injury? Showing why he was a 5th round pick? He has a lot to prove in camp and the pre-season games to brake into that top 4. I said this in a earlier thread . He will get his here and there opportunities . Will he be a high read option? Most like the 3rd or 4th read. I see, the only time he will be on the field with any consistency ( baring injury to the 4 ahead of him) is in a 00 formation. He is basically reduced to a depth player at this point.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 5, 2021 20:59:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure but I think Ross has should have produced considerably more than he did on his rookie contract. He was the fastest guy at the combine if I remember correctly. I just think he has so much potential. And here he is going to be the 3rd choice at best. I'm thinking Slayton being played at all 3 WR positions and moving around a lot. Both these players have a tendency to disappear for games at a time. But starting out I think I'm starting Ross at the Z receiver. He has to be one on one deep with the attention going to Goloday. Maybe it's more hope than substance but we'll know soon enough. I agree IMO: Golladay Shep Ross Toney Are going to be hard to unseat from their respective slots in preference when healthy. Toney may jump Ross ? There is no arguing Jones' 62% completion rate last year and Slaton's 52% reception rating were not close to uniformity. ( Shep had a 73% reception rating) Slaton was not getting it done. Injury? Showing why he was a 5th round pick? He has a lot to prove in camp and the pre-season games to brake into that top 4. I said this in a earlier thread . He will get his here and there opportunities . Will he be a high read option? Most like the 3rd or 4th read. I see, the only time he will be on the field with any consistency ( baring injury to the 4 ahead of him) is in a 00 formation. He is basically reduced to a depth player at this point. Shepard has always been an above average to good receiver but he also plays in the slot and averaged less than 10 yards per catch. Slayton averaged over 15 per catch. Also, you have to factor in a bad line probably accounted for more disruption. Ill finish by saying that Slayton didn't look good last year but has the speed and ability to be a nice complimentary piece in this offense.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 5, 2021 21:10:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure but I think Ross has should have produced considerably more than he did on his rookie contract. He was the fastest guy at the combine if I remember correctly. I just think he has so much potential. And here he is going to be the 3rd choice at best. I'm thinking Slayton being played at all 3 WR positions and moving around a lot. Both these players have a tendency to disappear for games at a time. But starting out I think I'm starting Ross at the Z receiver. He has to be one on one deep with the attention going to Goloday. Maybe it's more hope than substance but we'll know soon enough. I agree IMO: Golladay Shep Ross Toney Are going to be hard to unseat from their respective slots in preference when healthy. Toney may jump Ross ? There is no arguing Jones' 62% completion rate last year and Slaton's 52% reception rating were not close to uniformity. ( Shep had a 73% reception rating) Slaton was not getting it done. Injury? Showing why he was a 5th round pick? He has a lot to prove in camp and the pre-season games to brake into that top 4. I said this in a earlier thread . He will get his here and there opportunities . Will he be a high read option? Most like the 3rd or 4th read. I see, the only time he will be on the field with any consistency ( baring injury to the 4 ahead of him) is in a 00 formation. He is basically reduced to a depth player at this point. I can't put Ross anywhere on the depth chart until he proves he can stay healthy or even play. The guy never had higher than a 50% catch percentage. Toney will jump Ross without shoes.
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Post by idkaname on Jun 5, 2021 22:24:50 GMT -5
How is owning a weapon a character issue? In the past year I purchased a Troy A4. In fact I consulted Irish Mike's advice on it. Before I bought it. He is the boards weapons expert. Exercising your 2nd amendment rights should never be a clalafacation of a bad individual . I ****ing love the giants and the people that represent them. Go blue 🔥
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Post by idkaname on Jun 5, 2021 22:27:46 GMT -5
Hey jmike, it's not your fault this time! Is every Toney thread going to turn into a gun thread now? Lol 67 catches 711 yards 6 TDs 18 rushes 239 yards 2 TDs 22 punt returns 301 yards 1 TD 2021 season stats Daym over 1K total yards as a rookie I'll take it Makes Shepard very expendable I actually thing 65 catches will get him more in the air TBH.. He does have deep speed Shepard isn’t going anywhere...nobody is replacing his 3rd down value. He’s not an elite WR unless we’re talking ability to be dependable to catch the ball, run a SOLID route, and convert for 1st downs. If that’s only a “good” receiver, idk what else you can expect. Obviously he’s not a #1 but he’s clearly a standout #2
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 5, 2021 23:38:03 GMT -5
Daym over 1K total yards as a rookie I'll take it Makes Shepard very expendable I actually thing 65 catches will get him more in the air TBH.. He does have deep speed Shepard isn’t going anywhere...nobody is replacing his 3rd down value. He’s not an elite WR unless we’re talking ability to be dependable to catch the ball, run a SOLID route, and convert for 1st downs. If that’s only a “good” receiver, idk what else you can expect. Obviously he’s not a #1 but he’s clearly a standout #2 In 2022 with his cap number he will be very expendable
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Post by McCherry on Jun 6, 2021 1:05:15 GMT -5
Daym over 1K total yards as a rookie I'll take it Makes Shepard very expendable I actually thing 65 catches will get him more in the air TBH.. He does have deep speed Shepard isn’t going anywhere...nobody is replacing his 3rd down value. He’s not an elite WR unless we’re talking ability to be dependable to catch the ball, run a SOLID route, and convert for 1st downs. If that’s only a “good” receiver, idk what else you can expect. Obviously he’s not a #1 but he’s clearly a standout #2 Unless he gets hurt this season there’s no reason to cut him in 2022. He’ll be making less than $7M, for some reason fans act like there’s some big savings to be had and we don’t even have cap issues next year. They paid Golden Tate $8M last season. The Giants are paying Engram $7M this year after a horrific 2020 because the coaches like him, just like they do Shepard. He’s the definition of a bargain player.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 5:32:55 GMT -5
Shepard isn’t going anywhere...nobody is replacing his 3rd down value. He’s not an elite WR unless we’re talking ability to be dependable to catch the ball, run a SOLID route, and convert for 1st downs. If that’s only a “good” receiver, idk what else you can expect. Obviously he’s not a #1 but he’s clearly a standout #2 In 2022 with his cap number he will be very expendable Easy to replace with a intact brain later in the draft...his skill set is now flowing throughout the college ranks...an easy savings release.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 6, 2021 6:20:18 GMT -5
The kid will be good. As long as he keeps his Rap persona and NFL persona sorted out because it will tough to combine them and be a high level at both with out distraction.
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Post by TEM on Jun 6, 2021 6:55:40 GMT -5
I agree IMO: Golladay Shep Ross Toney Are going to be hard to unseat from their respective slots in preference when healthy. Toney may jump Ross ? There is no arguing Jones' 62% completion rate last year and Slaton's 52% reception rating were not close to uniformity. ( Shep had a 73% reception rating) Slaton was not getting it done. Injury? Showing why he was a 5th round pick? He has a lot to prove in camp and the pre-season games to brake into that top 4. I said this in a earlier thread . He will get his here and there opportunities . Will he be a high read option? Most like the 3rd or 4th read. I see, the only time he will be on the field with any consistency ( baring injury to the 4 ahead of him) is in a 00 formation. He is basically reduced to a depth player at this point. Shepard has always been an above average to good receiver but he also plays in the slot and averaged less than 10 yards per catch. Slayton averaged over 15 per catch. Also, you have to factor in a bad line probably accounted for more disruption. Ill finish by saying that Slayton didn't look good last year but has the speed and ability to be a nice complimentary piece in this offense. If the line was bad line was part of the problem . Sheppard's Reception percentage would have more inline with Slayton's , Slayton averaged 50 yards per game. Sheppard was 54. Why Did Slayton regress and Sheppard didn't ?
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Post by TEM on Jun 6, 2021 7:27:16 GMT -5
I agree IMO: Golladay Shep Ross Toney Are going to be hard to unseat from their respective slots in preference when healthy. Toney may jump Ross ? There is no arguing Jones' 62% completion rate last year and Slaton's 52% reception rating were not close to uniformity. ( Shep had a 73% reception rating) Slaton was not getting it done. Injury? Showing why he was a 5th round pick? He has a lot to prove in camp and the pre-season games to brake into that top 4. I said this in a earlier thread . He will get his here and there opportunities . Will he be a high read option? Most like the 3rd or 4th read. I see, the only time he will be on the field with any consistency ( baring injury to the 4 ahead of him) is in a 00 formation. He is basically reduced to a depth player at this point. I can't put Ross anywhere on the depth chart until he proves he can stay healthy or even play. The guy never had higher than a 50% catch percentage. Toney will jump Ross without shoes. This is the way my logic sees it. What The Giants did this off season was in direct response to every WR behind Sheppard. I stick by what I said. Slayton better play like a 2nd round pick to stay on the field . Because Ross is a 1st round pick . He is going to get a lot of looks in the pre-season games. That is a problem for Slayton. Because he is a 5th round pick (Disposable)Slayton better be in the 60 percentile + in the off season to keep his job. Everybody rips on EE on how bad he is . He had a 58% last year and a career 61% Here is Reality Slayton's 52% is a death sentence for a 5th round in pick. That is literally in the bottom 5% in the league. If he can not move that 8 or 9 points to get to that 60%+ . That is 6 catches for every 10 balls thrown at him. To be good in the Slot he needs to be 65%+ 2019 stats Slot receivers regardless of position (receivers, running backs, and tight ends) accounted for 32% of all targets, 31.6% of all receptions, 32.3% of all receiving yardage, and 34.3% of all receiving touchdowns. You can not win have a player in the slot dropping every other pass. I see IMO: Golladay on one the outside WRs. He alone will keep a Safety out of the box. Sheppard / Toney / EE / Barkley in the slot. Sheppard / Ross / Toney/ on the other outside. Those are the main passing attack combos I see. It is all on Slayton to prove if he is a #4 or #5 ,depth or out. Maybe he beats out Ross. IDK Like I said Ross is a 1st round pick . They are going to try to find out why he was drafted in the 1st round.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jun 6, 2021 8:23:59 GMT -5
I think Toney is going to need a tutor to help him learn the offense. If it was me I'd give him extra attention and help cause he could be such a new dynamic in our offense. I want him ready to go as soon as possible. I think he winds up lining up in 3-4 spots. 3 WR spots, the backfield, in motion, plus ST's. It's a lot for a rookie to grasp i would think. I wouldn't be surprised if Goloday, Shep, and Ross are our starting wideouts. With Slayton and Toney being plugged in. There is a whole bunch of speed in these WR's. I honestly don't think we miss a beat with any combo of these guys. Just think this guy is going to be a hell of a weapon. This is where offensive leaders come in. Coaches only "get heard" so much. If Toney can hit it off with DJ and Saquon can emerge as a leader then he will get the tutoring he needs. I know Eli was great with any WR who would listen.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 6, 2021 8:36:38 GMT -5
Shepard has always been an above average to good receiver but he also plays in the slot and averaged less than 10 yards per catch. Slayton averaged over 15 per catch. Also, you have to factor in a bad line probably accounted for more disruption. Ill finish by saying that Slayton didn't look good last year but has the speed and ability to be a nice complimentary piece in this offense. If the line was bad line was part of the problem . Sheppard's Reception percentage would have more inline with Slayton's , Slayton averaged 50 yards per game. Sheppard was 54. Why Did Slayton regress and Sheppard didn't ? Im not saying Slayton had a good season and Shepards was clearly better but the numbers were skued in Shepards favor. For example, if Slayton had a 60% catch percentage, that might be about the same as 70% if you adjust for yards per catch. Plus, with the Giants running 200 curl routes a game, I would assume that Slayton had more safties attention since the majority of the Giants receives running short routes. You are a knowledgeable person, im sure the board would like to hear your take on that. I don't have access to the All 22s, just saw 3 of them last year.
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