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Post by TEM on Jun 6, 2021 17:12:05 GMT -5
touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-nfl-draft-stats-that-matter-trevor-lawrence-zach-wilson-trey-lance/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=fishburne&utm_content=recirc-most-popularAs a numbers guy I love this stuff. The short pass has been a big part of the Giants’ offense over the last couple years, often to a reductive degree. On quick passes last season — passes in which the quarterback took zero or one step after the snap — Daniel Jones completed 114 of 172 attempts for 1,073 yards, 708 air yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions. Not bad from a yardage standpoint, but Jones didn’t get much done in the touchdown department. Only Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Russell Wilson had more zero- to one-step dropbacks than Jones’s 183, and they had 14, 15, 12, and eight touchdowns, respectively.Perhaps one reason the Giants selected Florida receiver Kadarius Toney with the 20th overall pick is Toney’s ability to get things done off quick passes. Last season, when targeted on passes from zero- to one-step dropbacks, Toney caught 10 passes on 15 targets for 146 air yards, 69 air yards, and three touchdowns. Perhaps Toney can open up that part of the Giants’ passing game with more opportunitiesI did not know Jones was so efficient with no dropback, one read and go. Me too.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 6, 2021 17:23:30 GMT -5
touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-nfl-draft-stats-that-matter-trevor-lawrence-zach-wilson-trey-lance/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=fishburne&utm_content=recirc-most-popularAs a numbers guy I love this stuff. The short pass has been a big part of the Giants’ offense over the last couple years, often to a reductive degree. On quick passes last season — passes in which the quarterback took zero or one step after the snap — Daniel Jones completed 114 of 172 attempts for 1,073 yards, 708 air yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions. Not bad from a yardage standpoint, but Jones didn’t get much done in the touchdown department. Only Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Russell Wilson had more zero- to one-step dropbacks than Jones’s 183, and they had 14, 15, 12, and eight touchdowns, respectively.Perhaps one reason the Giants selected Florida receiver Kadarius Toney with the 20th overall pick is Toney’s ability to get things done off quick passes. Last season, when targeted on passes from zero- to one-step dropbacks, Toney caught 10 passes on 15 targets for 146 air yards, 69 air yards, and three touchdowns. Perhaps Toney can open up that part of the Giants’ passing game with more opportunitiesI did not know Jones was so efficient with no dropback, More evidence we are morphing into a modern hybrid offense with a lot of air raid principles Probably also why it was Waddle and not Smith we were after
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Post by TEM on Jun 6, 2021 17:24:57 GMT -5
touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-nfl-draft-stats-that-matter-trevor-lawrence-zach-wilson-trey-lance/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=fishburne&utm_content=recirc-most-popularAs a numbers guy I love this stuff. The short pass has been a big part of the Giants’ offense over the last couple years, often to a reductive degree. On quick passes last season — passes in which the quarterback took zero or one step after the snap — Daniel Jones completed 114 of 172 attempts for 1,073 yards, 708 air yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions. Not bad from a yardage standpoint, but Jones didn’t get much done in the touchdown department. Only Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Russell Wilson had more zero- to one-step dropbacks than Jones’s 183, and they had 14, 15, 12, and eight touchdowns, respectively.Perhaps one reason the Giants selected Florida receiver Kadarius Toney with the 20th overall pick is Toney’s ability to get things done off quick passes. Last season, when targeted on passes from zero- to one-step dropbacks, Toney caught 10 passes on 15 targets for 146 air yards, 69 air yards, and three touchdowns. Perhaps Toney can open up that part of the Giants’ passing game with more opportunitiesI did not know Jones was so efficient with no dropback, More evidence we are morphing into a modern hybrid offense with a lot of air raid principles Probably also why it was Waddle and not Smith we were after That could be.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 6, 2021 18:02:34 GMT -5
touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-nfl-draft-stats-that-matter-trevor-lawrence-zach-wilson-trey-lance/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=fishburne&utm_content=recirc-most-popularAs a numbers guy I love this stuff. The short pass has been a big part of the Giants’ offense over the last couple years, often to a reductive degree. On quick passes last season — passes in which the quarterback took zero or one step after the snap — Daniel Jones completed 114 of 172 attempts for 1,073 yards, 708 air yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions. Not bad from a yardage standpoint, but Jones didn’t get much done in the touchdown department. Only Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Russell Wilson had more zero- to one-step dropbacks than Jones’s 183, and they had 14, 15, 12, and eight touchdowns, respectively.Perhaps one reason the Giants selected Florida receiver Kadarius Toney with the 20th overall pick is Toney’s ability to get things done off quick passes. Last season, when targeted on passes from zero- to one-step dropbacks, Toney caught 10 passes on 15 targets for 146 air yards, 69 air yards, and three touchdowns. Perhaps Toney can open up that part of the Giants’ passing game with more opportunitiesI did not know Jones was so efficient with no dropback, More evidence we are morphing into a modern hybrid offense with a lot of air raid principles Probably also why it was Waddle and not Smith we were after but they were taking Smith if Philthy didnt no?
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Post by TEM on Jun 6, 2021 18:06:18 GMT -5
More evidence we are morphing into a modern hybrid offense with a lot of air raid principles Probably also why it was Waddle and not Smith we were after but they were taking Smith if Philthy didnt no? Has there been any confirmation of that? I honestly do not know. To date I have not read or heard anything but hear say that they did? Will we ever know?
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Post by McCherry on Jun 6, 2021 18:41:11 GMT -5
More evidence we are morphing into a modern hybrid offense with a lot of air raid principles Probably also why it was Waddle and not Smith we were after but they were taking Smith if Philthy didnt no? Yes. We may never know if we liked Waddle more, it was no secret we liked Smith at 11.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 6, 2021 19:09:40 GMT -5
Im not saying Slayton had a good season and Shepards was clearly better but the numbers were skued in Shepards favor. For example, if Slayton had a 60% catch percentage, that might be about the same as 70% if you adjust for yards per catch. Plus, with the Giants running 200 curl routes a game, I would assume that Slayton had more safties attention since the majority of the Giants receives running short routes. You are a knowledgeable person, im sure the board would like to hear your take on that. I don't have access to the All 22s, just saw 3 of them last year. Yards per reception have nothing to do with drops. It is irrelevant in moving the chains. Receptions can, Drops never do. I do agree. Having one or two outside guys to have to contend with, will open up the middle of the field more. I was referencing completion percentage. Now that you mentioned drops, im willing to bet that is impacted as well. It takes a lot more timing to hookup and complete a deep pass, even if its in your catch radius than a 5 or 10 yard out.
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Post by TEM on Jun 6, 2021 19:16:37 GMT -5
Yards per reception have nothing to do with drops. It is irrelevant in moving the chains. Receptions can, Drops never do. I do agree. Having one or two outside guys to have to contend with, will open up the middle of the field more. I was referencing completion percentage. Now that you mentioned drops, im willing to bet that is impacted as well. It takes a lot more timing to hookup and complete a deep pass, even if its in your catch radius than a 5 or 10 yard out. I agree but deep pass are seldom thrown. At most 10% of all pass thrown in a season. That Stat is league wide . Some teams are as high as 12% As I said and it is pretty consistent throughout the league . 75% of balls thrown are within 15 yards of the LOS.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 7, 2021 1:42:54 GMT -5
He better get to OTA
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 7, 2021 5:55:11 GMT -5
Two words after watching this video: Uh oh. Guess we know why he was too busy to go to OTA’s
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Post by GameTime on Jun 7, 2021 6:19:17 GMT -5
I am huge "non-fan" of his rap career. It has a huge potential for distraction and more so interfering with playing and dedicating himself to the game. Another avenue for branding himself and that is usually a problem. Until it happens though its a non issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 7:41:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm 100% officially worried now....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 8:09:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm 100% officially worried now.... He's trying to be Cam with that curtain over his head.. Strange dude..
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 7, 2021 9:19:21 GMT -5
I am huge "non-fan" of his rap career. It has a huge potential for distraction and more so interfering with playing and dedicating himself to the game. Another avenue for branding himself and that is usually a problem. Until it happens though its a non issue. Not a problem until it is Then after 4 years Trader Joe flips him for a 1st and get a clone of him as these kinds of playmakers are starting to flood the NFL
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 7, 2021 9:24:57 GMT -5
Good first impression. While he’s being fitted for his jewelry as he’s wearing a hand towel on his head. DeVonta Smith is putting in work at Philly’s OTA’s.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 7, 2021 9:28:46 GMT -5
I am huge "non-fan" of his rap career. It has a huge potential for distraction and more so interfering with playing and dedicating himself to the game. Another avenue for branding himself and that is usually a problem. Until it happens though its a non issue. Not a problem until it is Then after 4 years Trader Joe flips him for a 1st and get a clone of him as these kinds of playmakers are starting to flood the NFL yep
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 7, 2021 16:14:16 GMT -5
Good first impression. While he’s being fitted for his jewelry as he’s wearing a hand towel on his head. DeVonta Smith is putting in work at Philly’s OTA’s. I hate to pre judge people but he’s going to be a big personality for us
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 7, 2021 16:26:53 GMT -5
Good first impression. While he’s being fitted for his jewelry as he’s wearing a hand towel on his head. DeVonta Smith is putting in work at Philly’s OTA’s. I hate to pre judge people but he’s going to be a big personality for us Big personalities are fine.. As long as he produces on the field. If not, he’ll be another Freddie Mitchell. All bark, and no bite..
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Post by GameTime on Jun 7, 2021 16:33:24 GMT -5
In reality the video is very benign. However the optics and the timing of it is 100% ****ing stupid. I hope some one from the NYGs org gets to this kid and his agent and tells them how ridiculous this looks. I hope Judge calls this kid aside and tells him to eat, breath and shit football. As has been said its not a problem yet but he has already shortened many fuses to BS like this.
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Post by moecoastie on Jun 7, 2021 20:57:15 GMT -5
I am huge "non-fan" of his rap career. It has a huge potential for distraction and more so interfering with playing and dedicating himself to the game. Another avenue for branding himself and that is usually a problem. Until it happens though its a non issue. the branding concern is a good point. In the HBO show "Ballers" one of the characters had conflicting interests between pro gaming and football. Makes for great TV.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 7, 2021 23:20:26 GMT -5
I'm about to cycber squat some of these rookies domain names. make a quick couple of racks. Unfortunately for you, It's NOW illegal to register someone’s name without their consent. aaahh the good old days. Used to be a pretty cutthroat business.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jun 7, 2021 23:28:05 GMT -5
Good first impression. While he’s being fitted for his jewelry as he’s wearing a hand towel on his head. DeVonta Smith is putting in work at Philly’s OTA’s. I'll be consistent since I was not a fan of Deandre Baker buying his mom a Rolls Royce instead of a house or property. The only thing is that Jewelry has good re-sale value unlike a car and some may consider it an investment based on the market value. Unfortunately, brothers feel the need to floss. I wouldn't buy a damn thing until my 2nd contract and I'm sleeping on Daniel Jones couch rookie year. Niners rookies can't even afford to buy houses.
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Post by GameTime on Jun 8, 2021 6:41:30 GMT -5
I am huge "non-fan" of his rap career. It has a huge potential for distraction and more so interfering with playing and dedicating himself to the game. Another avenue for branding himself and that is usually a problem. Until it happens though its a non issue. the branding concern is a good point. In the HBO show "Ballers" one of the characters had conflicting interests between pro gaming and football. Makes for great TV. I am all for people being themselves (to a degree) but this has the potential for major distraction. Lets see what the kid does with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 9:57:38 GMT -5
I am all for people being themselves (to a degree) but this has the potential for major distraction. Lets see what the kid does with it. True but this is were you need Vets to step up and talk to the younger group. The Giants should make sure he has access to a money manager.Why would the Giants need to provide him access to a money manager? That sounds a bit racist to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 10:14:36 GMT -5
Will he be needing a lawyer or accountant...maybe somebody to help him operate a computer too?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 10:28:11 GMT -5
Will he be needing a lawyer or accountant...maybe somebody to help him operate a computer too? .................still waiting for the racist part? Maybe he does, I don't know ,do you? Why again would the Giants have to supply him with a money manager? Again, that sounds very racist Certainly seems Toney has the money situation under control, with most of us fans worrying more of him not taking football as seriously as we want as he skips some workouts and now is buying some bling...obviously worrying more if will he using football to garner more money in another venture. Again...why would the GIANTS be telling him to get a money manager? I would assume anybody with half a brain would have some sort of financial adviser when you come into millions...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 10:48:52 GMT -5
Access and supply are two different terms . Please look and see what term I used. Toney has his money under control ....let's just hope he breaks ankles and we win football games, and he has his mind on football. Yes we all realize when you win a lottery you need a financial advisor..just seems very, very odd you directed it at...Toney. After a video of him buying some bling.
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Post by jb456 on Jun 8, 2021 11:10:51 GMT -5
I was referencing completion percentage. Now that you mentioned drops, im willing to bet that is impacted as well. It takes a lot more timing to hookup and complete a deep pass, even if its in your catch radius than a 5 or 10 yard out. I agree but deep pass are seldom thrown. At most 10% of all pass thrown in a season. That Stat is league wide . Some teams are as high as 12% As I said and it is pretty consistent throughout the league . 75% of balls thrown are within 15 yards of the LOS. Working stupid hours and just noticed this: Interesting data but since Slayton's average yards per catch greater 15 yards and Shepard's is less than 10, it would appear that Slayton is getting a much higher percentage of those deep passes than the average. Again, I don't think Slayton had a good season and believe Shepard had a better season and is a better player but comparing completion % and drops aren't good reference points between these two players.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jun 8, 2021 11:13:56 GMT -5
His actions already becoming a "distraction".
Not saying this is a big deal or not, or even if it matters in the long run, but the point is, his action is causing a story to be pushed. Hopefully this all goes away and he hits the ground running. He could be a dynamic weapon if his head is where it needs to be. These Florida players always make me wonder.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 8, 2021 11:24:53 GMT -5
True but this is were you need Vets to step up and talk to the younger group. The Giants should make sure he has access to a money manager.Why would the Giants need to provide him access to a money manager? That sounds a bit racist to me. Providing this kind of support to young, quickly rich athletes is a good idea for any young player... Regardless of their race.
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