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Post by imgrate on Jun 9, 2021 14:50:22 GMT -5
Its either finally over or we're drafting a QB in the next couple years.
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Post by Speedman on Jun 9, 2021 14:56:51 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games?
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 9, 2021 14:58:57 GMT -5
Its either finally over or we're drafting a QB in the next couple years. This is Jones make or break year IMO. If he fails, they are in prime position to take a top QB next year, especially with the Bears first round pick as well. My point of this thread is in the uneventful situation this 2021 team doesnt live up to ours or the FO expectations, they can find their guy and pull the trigger in the draft for their QB. This team at this moment has a good amount of talent that if theres a new QB under center in 2022, he wont be without talent around him like DJ was for two years. This board is rightly full of pessimism after all the years of suck. But I'm excited going in to this year.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 9, 2021 15:06:48 GMT -5
Rebuilding to me means new coach, new QB, mass changes on the defense, offense, O-line. And expectations are very low. The Giants have been rebuilding. The Chiefs are building. Night and day scenarios. when a team seems to always be rebuilding then I have to look at the owners and the whole management team...
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 9, 2021 15:07:18 GMT -5
I dunno man....after so many years of following the Giants and football in general, I feel like there's never an end to "building". You gotta be smart and keep the shelves stocked.
"Re-building" only happens when a team is drained of it's talent due to poor drafting and poor free agency, which the Giants found themselves in probably starting in 2013-ish and continued until maybe this year....blame Reece, blame Gettleman, whatever....hopefully this will be the start of a great run of years where we are not consistently picking in the top ten in the draft and don't pick any luxury players, keeping the trenches stocked and wisely adding pieces.
This of course depends on Daniel Jones this year; if he shits the bed it's time for a new QB and GM.
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 9, 2021 15:09:36 GMT -5
Possibly I always said since basically the Odell trade that at that point we were in full blow it up and rebuild mode and it would take a few years .. As far as bringing in players,once Gettleman finally got his head out of his ass and brought in the firepower we desperately needed at WR to me as far as players On paper it's close to being finished... Let's see how tbey perform I agree that its close to being finished but all of that will depend on which Daniel Jones shows up this year, the old or the new...
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 9, 2021 15:10:56 GMT -5
Its either finally over or we're drafting a QB in the next couple years. This is Jones make or break year IMO. If he fails, they are in prime position to take a top QB next year, especially with the Bears first round pick as well. My point of this thread is in the uneventful situation this 2021 team doesnt live up to ours or the FO expectations, they can find their guy and pull the trigger in the draft for their QB. This team at this moment has a good amount of talent that if theres a new QB under center in 2022, he wont be without talent around him like DJ was for two years. This board is rightly full of pessimism after all the years of suck. But I'm excited going in to this year. Unfortunately I have a feeling both Philly and Houston will be vying for the top 2 picks This to me is a 2 QB class (Ratler and Howell) Philly has probably 3 1st rounders next year if they need to move up We might be trading for Wilson in this case
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 9, 2021 15:11:48 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games? I actually have us a solid playoff team this year
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Post by Martin on Jun 9, 2021 15:16:00 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games? Yep There only going to get back the bad karma they put out in the universe. A reflection of thought. Someone grab a guitar and we should all hold hands and sit around the camp fire chanting the words...."Giants will win the Super Bowl"
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 9, 2021 15:16:27 GMT -5
This is Jones make or break year IMO. If he fails, they are in prime position to take a top QB next year, especially with the Bears first round pick as well. My point of this thread is in the uneventful situation this 2021 team doesnt live up to ours or the FO expectations, they can find their guy and pull the trigger in the draft for their QB. This team at this moment has a good amount of talent that if theres a new QB under center in 2022, he wont be without talent around him like DJ was for two years. This board is rightly full of pessimism after all the years of suck. But I'm excited going in to this year. Unfortunately I have a feeling both Philly and Houston will be vying for the top 2 picks This to me is a 2 QB class (Ratler and Howell) Philly has probably 3 1st rounders next year if they need to move up We might be trading for Wilson in this case I see Slovis from USC and Riddler from Cincinatti being talked up but I dont know much about either of them, nor do I want any USC QB. Still very curious where Rodgers and Watson end up this year and as you noted, what happens with Wilson.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 9, 2021 15:27:29 GMT -5
It feels like forever. The Great Pyramids took less time to construct than our everlasting rebuild. The Eli Manning debacle set us back, terrible insight by our front office. We dissembled this roster not once, but twice. It also depends on how the season goes. After spending $200 million in guaranteed money the past two years, drafting high, trader Dave wheeling and dealing. We should finally be at the end of the rebuild. Throughout the league teams are rebuilding faster than ever. What normally takes a few years, is being done in less time. We seem to defy all logic and take the scenic route with our rebuild. The Egyptians had alien help the Giants do not. The Giants have alien help. Someone tell me with a straight face that Mike Glennon isn’t from a different planet. You need a road map to get to his receding hairline.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jun 9, 2021 15:31:20 GMT -5
all depends on if Jones pans out. If not then no. If he does then they continue to add talent to the OL and D front 7 as primary positions. Your question is not able to be answered quite yet
Exactly.
I think only one team scored less points than is last and they share our stadium. Every area of the offense must show improvement.
Defensively we're pretty good and we all know we could be even better if we can get more pressure on the QB.
Special Teams faded as the season went along. Gano was great but Dixon wasn't. We need more consistency from the group as a whole.
But with that said I fully expect us to battle for a playoff spot this year.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 9, 2021 15:35:23 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games? Well Positive Paul. Quit dancing around the question.. Is the rebuild over?
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jun 9, 2021 17:23:46 GMT -5
Either it's a completed rebuild and this team is ready to contend, or it's going to be completely blown up again by a new regime. It likely doesn't matter if the rebuild is "done", they are on notice to win. No matter how it goes they won't have to do a complete nuke of this team this time around probably coach and QB and maybe just QB because the only way they screw the pooch is if Jones screws the pooch or tons of injuries. True, if Jones doesn't step up they could find that they are a QB away from contending. But, still, I'm not sure this regime, including Judge, survives another losing season, especially if the season goes really bad. I'm cautiously optimistic that the team will make the playoffs this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:31:01 GMT -5
We're gonna shock the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:32:44 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games? Yep.
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Post by Martin on Jun 9, 2021 18:32:38 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games? Well Positive Paul. Quit dancing around the question.. Is the rebuild over? I'll answer the question. They have been rebuilding for 10 years and in the modern NFL each team is consistently upgrading players, coaches and GM's. No end to it like a black hole of rebuilding. Some teams have more work to do than others each year. (rebuilding) Every team is rebuilding in the modern NFL. What is your definition of rebuilding? Everyone on this board will have their own definition of that word. "What are you gonna ask me now my favorite color?" ~ Col. Nathan R. Jessep
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Post by TEM on Jun 9, 2021 18:35:36 GMT -5
The FO is never finished building a team. IMO: This is the only way to achieve and maintain success.
A) Having an influx of equal talent to replace ageing players.
B) If draft players are not getting it done. Have the ability to bite the bullet and move on from them.
Something the last regime failed to do.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 9, 2021 20:06:29 GMT -5
Well Positive Paul. Quit dancing around the question.. Is the rebuild over? I'll answer the question. They have been rebuilding for 10 years and in the modern NFL each team is consistently upgrading players, coaches and GM's. No end to it like a black hole of rebuilding. Some teams have more work to do than others each year. (rebuilding) Every team is rebuilding in the modern NFL. What is your definition of rebuilding? Everyone on this board will have their own definition of that word. "What are you gonna ask me now my favorite color?" ~ Col. Nathan R. Jessep That’s all well and good. However, some fans “can’t handle the truth.”
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jun 9, 2021 20:33:48 GMT -5
No matter how it goes they won't have to do a complete nuke of this team this time around probably coach and QB and maybe just QB because the only way they screw the pooch is if Jones screws the pooch or tons of injuries. True, if Jones doesn't step up they could find that they are a QB away from contending. But, still, I'm not sure this regime, including Judge, survives another losing season, especially if the season goes really bad. I'm cautiously optimistic that the team will make the playoffs this year. I agree I was talking more about the roster the next GM wouldn't have much to do and will have some nice draft capital to work with if there is a change.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 9, 2021 20:40:28 GMT -5
Rebuilding is a myth that crap organizations/fan bases put out there to feel better about themselves. Why would next year be different than last year as far as the "rebuild" goes? If our record is better the rebuild is over? Nah. We will lose players and add players every year. We just have to hope that this group of players is better overall.
The biggest thing IMO is the coach. If you have a good coach he will find a way to compete. We did that last year with Judge despite many obstacles.
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Post by te88 on Jun 9, 2021 20:42:49 GMT -5
Too soon to tell. Jones? Oline? Barkley’s health? That's right, I blew past Jones and Barkley's health but the are open questions toward answering the question. Ehhh. Jones and the OL yeah, but I don’t really think Barkley is a key to this teams success. He’s a helpful piece but if we lose him again it shouldn’t spell disaster for this team. And if it does, then this team is hasn’t been rebuilt at all. The RB should not be a lynchpin.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 9, 2021 20:43:21 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games? I'm optimistic. I just don't buy the "rebuild" non-sense we are fed. Teams that pay $200m a year in salaries are trying to win it all. This is not baseball where a team will take a few years to build up their farm system in the hopes of a title push when all the pieces fall into place. You can go from a 4 win team to a double digit win team in the blink of an eye, often in 1 season, in the NFL.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 9, 2021 20:44:51 GMT -5
That's right, I blew past Jones and Barkley's health but the are open questions toward answering the question. Ehhh. Jones and the OL yeah, but I don’t really think Barkley is a key to this teams success. He’s a helpful piece but if we lose him again it shouldn’t spell disaster for this team. And if it does, then this team is hasn’t been rebuilt at all. The RB should not be a lynchpin. The key is the same for every team. QB play. It's the one and only constant in the NFL. Barkley is not the key to our success but having him damn sure helps us more than not having him.
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Post by te88 on Jun 9, 2021 20:48:02 GMT -5
Ehhh. Jones and the OL yeah, but I don’t really think Barkley is a key to this teams success. He’s a helpful piece but if we lose him again it shouldn’t spell disaster for this team. And if it does, then this team is hasn’t been rebuilt at all. The RB should not be a lynchpin. The key is the same for every team. QB play. It's the one and only constant in the NFL. Barkley is not the key to our success but having him damn sure helps us more than not having him. Agreed. If Barkley goes down and the O sucks again and I have to hear about missing Barkley as an excuse again I will not be having it. He is a complimentary piece. Not the key and not an excuse to have a goood offence or bad.
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 9, 2021 21:41:47 GMT -5
Wishful thinking on the rebuild being completed
Questionable OL and DJ needs to at the next level
So, I need to see what happens this season
Until we see more W's than L's with a chance at the play-offs that's when the Giants will be on the other side of this rebuild
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Post by Speedman on Jun 9, 2021 23:09:02 GMT -5
What a bunch of Debbie Downers on here. If you can’t be optimistic at this time of year why bother watching the games? Well Positive Paul. Quit dancing around the question.. Is the rebuild over? Yes
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 10, 2021 8:21:14 GMT -5
Rebuilding is a myth that crap organizations/fan bases put out there to feel better about themselves. Why would next year be different than last year as far as the "rebuild" goes? If our record is better the rebuild is over? Nah. We will lose players and add players every year. We just have to hope that this group of players is better overall. The biggest thing IMO is the coach. If you have a good coach he will find a way to compete. We did that last year with Judge despite many obstacles. We only have 2 players left from the end of 2017 This was a complete rebuild..
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 10, 2021 10:28:53 GMT -5
I wonder how much money the Giants have put into this team over the last bunch of losing seasons to get us to the point we're at right now, depressing thought...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 11:14:58 GMT -5
its never over in the sense that these guys will 24/7 365 be looking for improving talent and having it compete against who's already there. Having said that, I think we've seen Judge take what we have and establish a base, and I wouldnt consider this a rebuilding year.
But I think Giant fans will get used to a different pace, where guys come in and out of the 'system' - we really kinda lost that sense of a system the last few years.
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