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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 11, 2021 22:22:43 GMT -5
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Post by fifthavephil on Jul 11, 2021 23:20:30 GMT -5
It is good to hear they being pro active.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 12, 2021 6:11:59 GMT -5
it can't hurt. Too bad Peart and Lemieux also didn't participate. I wonder if it was invite only?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 6:50:11 GMT -5
Glad to see some more players understand the effort required to excel at the NFL level..
Still don't understand why they aren't doing this more often especially early in their careers and who knows maybe they have but it wasn't news worthy..
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Post by GameTime on Jul 12, 2021 7:07:36 GMT -5
cool
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 12, 2021 7:58:20 GMT -5
They have all been with several different OL trainers this offseason Hernandez was working with Big Duke, Think Lemieux and a few others were with LeCharles Bently who takes a break during mandatory camps but reconvenes after words bringing them almost to training camp. They seem to be doing the things necessary bonding on and off the field, doing the things that help talent develop the coaches don't have enough time to do it all these days, players need to take upon themselves to help their development.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jul 12, 2021 9:11:11 GMT -5
Nice red bar covering the left side.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 12, 2021 11:10:31 GMT -5
Any learning or improvement is a great sign of hope.
I really do think this unit knows how much doubt there is about our OL and there damn sure they're going to try and fix it. This OL wants to shut everybody up and prove themselves. I'm sure it doesn't sit well with them that their considered the weak spot. It does seem like their as motivated as anybody on the team.
Now they just have to produce and prove to be strength. It's been a long time for Giant fans that Big Blues OL was considered a strength.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 12, 2021 11:53:49 GMT -5
it can't hurt. Too bad Peart and Lemieux also didn't participate. I wonder if it was invite only? Perhaps it was cost prohibitive. Lemieux does not make a lot of money and Peart is no Rockefeller. Paying for flight, hotel, etc.... If I were DJ, I would flip the bill for all of them instead of getting them isotoner gloves (I wonder who is old enough to know what I'm talking about) But then again, they make more money than Gates... lbolineperformance.com/membership-join/Made me wonder how much it costs to attend Lecharles Bentley training camp (Different camp..I know). You can join online for $10 a month, but no info about how much to go in person. It's a tax write off for the richer players The fans should start a go fund me...Called the Shane Lemiuex get right fund. lol. I'd be willing to donate if he can learn pass protection |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Jul 12, 2021 11:58:31 GMT -5
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Post by lexington11 on Jul 12, 2021 19:36:11 GMT -5
it can't hurt. Too bad Peart and Lemieux also didn't participate. I wonder if it was invite only? Perhaps it was cost prohibitive. Lemieux does not make a lot of money and Peart is no Rockefeller. Paying for flight, hotel, etc.... If I were DJ, I would flip the bill for all of them instead of getting them isotoner gloves (I wonder who is old enough to know what I'm talking about) But then again, they make more money than Gates... lbolineperformance.com/membership-join/Made me wonder how much it costs to attend Lecharles Bentley training camp (Different camp..I know). You can join online for $10 a month, but no info about how much to go in person. It's a tax write off for the richer players The fans should start a go fund me...Called the Shane Lemiuex get right fund. lol. I'd be willing to donate if he can learn pass protection Dan Marino! |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Jul 12, 2021 23:39:57 GMT -5
Hey it can't hurt. This is the perfect time for focus in on improving specific techniques. Especially with training camps so shortened they have to spend a lot of time just installing the playbooks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 6:04:42 GMT -5
Hey it can't hurt. This is the perfect time for focus in on improving specific techniques. Especially with training camps so shortened they have to spend a lot of time just installing the playbooks. Columbo just said hold my beer!! On the surface it's does seem like it's the perfect thing to do but then the early excuses for Thomas would have to be dismissed if coaching can never be considered bad.. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 13, 2021 6:43:15 GMT -5
I like this . But no matter how much traning or conditioning takes place. You can't fix stupid.
There is no amount of perfecting technique will work . If he does have the ability to apply it. Meaning if he can not anticipate what his opponent is going to do. Or force him into a trap. He is beat before the ball snaps. It is inconsequential how good of a blocker an o-linemen is in pass blocking if his first move wrong. How well an Offensive linemen's career will be depends on the first quarter of a second in every pass play. In that first quarter of a second is when the battle is won or lost. Sun Tzu was so correct when he wrote this "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war."
I know i am going to get Run Blocking BLAH BLAH BLAH. Run Blocking is a script. Pass blocking is intuitive.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 13, 2021 8:41:39 GMT -5
I like this . But no matter how much traning or conditioning takes place. You can't fix stupid. There is no amount of perfecting technique will work . If he does have the ability to apply it. Meaning if he can not anticipate what his opponent is going to do. Or force him into a trap. He is beat before the ball snaps. It is inconsequential how good of a blocker an o-linemen is in pass blocking if his first move wrong. How well an Offensive linemen's career will be depends on the first quarter of a second in every pass play. In that first quarter of a second is when the battle is won or lost. Sun Tzu was so correct when he wrote this "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war."
I know i am going to get Run Blocking BLAH BLAH BLAH. Run Blocking is a script. Pass blocking is intuitive. proper technique will allow an OL to use his natural instincts/smarts for the position better. The Giants have essentially 4 rookies returning to the OL. While gates not a rookie last season he was only a second year player manning a position he never played before. So to have all four ave success is asking a lot. Its a rarity so whether its Thomas, Lemuiex, Peart or Gates one or possibly towo of those players will not be starter caliber. Who knows with Hernandez he is on the bubble. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 13, 2021 8:55:25 GMT -5
I like this . But no matter how much traning or conditioning takes place. You can't fix stupid. There is no amount of perfecting technique will work . If he does have the ability to apply it. Meaning if he can not anticipate what his opponent is going to do. Or force him into a trap. He is beat before the ball snaps. It is inconsequential how good of a blocker an o-linemen is in pass blocking if his first move wrong. How well an Offensive linemen's career will be depends on the first quarter of a second in every pass play. In that first quarter of a second is when the battle is won or lost. Sun Tzu was so correct when he wrote this "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war."
I know i am going to get Run Blocking BLAH BLAH BLAH. Run Blocking is a script. Pass blocking is intuitive. proper technique will allow an OL to use his natural instincts/smarts for the position better. The Giants have essentially 4 rookies returning to the OL. While gates not a rookie last season he was only a second year player manning a position he never played before. So to have all four ave success is asking a lot. Its a rarity so whether its Thomas, Lemuiex, Peart or Gates one or possibly towo of those players will not be starter caliber. Who knows with Hernandez he is on the bubble. Jerry went to O-line camp . It did not correct his underlying issue. Jerry was a good blocker in the running game. His problem was his inability to stop a pass rush. |
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 13, 2021 9:27:26 GMT -5
Good to see Hernandez active this offseason training looks like he did strength/conditioning training and if his technique improves then his value to this team goes up and I am sure the Giants will welcome it.
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 13, 2021 16:22:24 GMT -5
I like this . But no matter how much traning or conditioning takes place. You can't fix stupid. There is no amount of perfecting technique will work . If he does have the ability to apply it. Meaning if he can not anticipate what his opponent is going to do. Or force him into a trap. He is beat before the ball snaps. It is inconsequential how good of a blocker an o-linemen is in pass blocking if his first move wrong. How well an Offensive linemen's career will be depends on the first quarter of a second in every pass play. In that first quarter of a second is when the battle is won or lost. Sun Tzu was so correct when he wrote this "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war."
I know i am going to get Run Blocking BLAH BLAH BLAH. Run Blocking is a script. Pass blocking is intuitive. The kid has sucked as a Giant. Fans have been putting lipstick on a pig for sometime now. I give credit that he’s working on getting better at his craft. However, I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s a massive man with two left feet. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 13, 2021 18:03:52 GMT -5
I like this . But no matter how much traning or conditioning takes place. You can't fix stupid. There is no amount of perfecting technique will work . If he does have the ability to apply it. Meaning if he can not anticipate what his opponent is going to do. Or force him into a trap. He is beat before the ball snaps. It is inconsequential how good of a blocker an o-linemen is in pass blocking if his first move wrong. How well an Offensive linemen's career will be depends on the first quarter of a second in every pass play. In that first quarter of a second is when the battle is won or lost. Sun Tzu was so correct when he wrote this "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war."
I know i am going to get Run Blocking BLAH BLAH BLAH. Run Blocking is a script. Pass blocking is intuitive. The kid has sucked as a Giant. Fans have been putting lipstick on a pig for sometime now. I give credit that he’s working on getting better at his craft. However, I’ll believe it when I see it. He’s a massive man with two left feet. I agree show me. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 13, 2021 20:47:07 GMT -5
I like this . But no matter how much traning or conditioning takes place. You can't fix stupid. There is no amount of perfecting technique will work . If he does have the ability to apply it. Meaning if he can not anticipate what his opponent is going to do. Or force him into a trap. He is beat before the ball snaps. It is inconsequential how good of a blocker an o-linemen is in pass blocking if his first move wrong. How well an Offensive linemen's career will be depends on the first quarter of a second in every pass play. In that first quarter of a second is when the battle is won or lost. Sun Tzu was so correct when he wrote this "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war."
I know i am going to get Run Blocking BLAH BLAH BLAH. Run Blocking is a script. Pass blocking is intuitive. proper technique will allow an OL to use his natural instincts/smarts for the position better. The Giants have essentially 4 rookies returning to the OL. While gates not a rookie last season he was only a second year player manning a position he never played before. So to have all four ave success is asking a lot. Its a rarity so whether its Thomas, Lemuiex, Peart or Gates one or possibly towo of those players will not be starter caliber. Who knows with Hernandez he is on the bubble. Hernandez is not on the bubble. His demise has been greatly over-exaggerated. He gave up one sack and had one penalty last season and ranks somewhere in the middle of the league. The move to RG makes sense for a player who is more pure strength than athleticism. I always thought he was built more like a RG. Maybe not an All-Pro he is the least of our concerns. You're right, we had 4 rookies. Rookie OL's struggle. It's the second hardest position to develop. Rich Suebert was not a good player his first few years in the league. Chris Snee's rookie season was atrocious. Players do get better, quickly. We hope the same for McKinney, Holmes. The Giants are not putting this OL out there by accident. They understand what's riding on it. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 13, 2021 21:56:53 GMT -5
proper technique will allow an OL to use his natural instincts/smarts for the position better. The Giants have essentially 4 rookies returning to the OL. While gates not a rookie last season he was only a second year player manning a position he never played before. So to have all four ave success is asking a lot. Its a rarity so whether its Thomas, Lemuiex, Peart or Gates one or possibly towo of those players will not be starter caliber. Who knows with Hernandez he is on the bubble. Hernandez is not on the bubble. The Giants are not putting this OL out there by accident. They understand what's riding on it. We'll see what happens to Hernandez. I want the guy to succeed for sure. Of course they know whats riding on it. I am just saying its lot to ask for each of these 5 guys to make the grade. With that said I cant wait for camp and the season to get under way. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2021 9:56:20 GMT -5
Hernandez is not on the bubble. The Giants are not putting this OL out there by accident. They understand what's riding on it. We'll see what happens to Hernandez. I want the guy to succeed for sure. Of course they know whats riding on it. I am just saying its lot to ask for each of these 5 guys to make the grade. With that said I cant wait for camp and the season to get under way. It really comes down to 2 or 3 guys making the grade. Depending on how you feel about Thomas. I don't know what the alternatives are at this point. Fulton/Solder are not much in terms of fallback options. Any serious injury to the tackles or guards is devastating, we won't be able operate on a long term basis. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 14, 2021 13:42:26 GMT -5
We'll see what happens to Hernandez. I want the guy to succeed for sure. Of course they know whats riding on it. I am just saying its lot to ask for each of these 5 guys to make the grade. With that said I cant wait for camp and the season to get under way. It really comes down to 2 or 3 guys making the grade. Depending on how you feel about Thomas. I don't know what the alternatives are at this point. Fulton/Solder are not much in terms of fallback options. Any serious injury to the tackles or guards is devastating, we won't be able operate on a long term basis. there arent alternatives really. Buckups. If only 2 make the grade then the OL will as a unit will fail |
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 14, 2021 14:36:42 GMT -5
It really comes down to 2 or 3 guys making the grade. Depending on how you feel about Thomas. I don't know what the alternatives are at this point. Fulton/Solder are not much in terms of fallback options. Any serious injury to the tackles or guards is devastating, we won't be able operate on a long term basis. there arent alternatives really. Buckups. If only 2 make the grade then the OL will as a unit will fail How many great lines had all 5 be pro bowlers ? Even our 80s line we had an average/above average unit as did our 2005-2010 ish line? 2 or 3 good ones and the rest average that play above the bar as a unit is what the great lines do |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2021 15:20:15 GMT -5
there arent alternatives really. Buckups. If only 2 make the grade then the OL will as a unit will fail How many great lines had all 5 be pro bowlers ? Even our 80s line we had an average/above average unit as did our 2005-2010 ish line? 2 or 3 good ones and the rest average that play above the bar as a unit is what the great lines do It's true. Can anyone even name the backups on the Coughlin championship teams? The Giants could've drafted any one of several players who could’ve potentially started on the OL or been a replacement if one didn't work out. What I've learned is that teams don't draft backups. They took players who actually will have opportunities to play at other positions. |
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Post by GameTime on Jul 14, 2021 15:25:27 GMT -5
there arent alternatives really. Buckups. If only 2 make the grade then the OL will as a unit will fail How many great lines had all 5 be pro bowlers ? Even our 80s line we had an average/above average unit as did our 2005-2010 ish line? 2 or 3 good ones and the rest average that play above the bar as a unit is what the great lines do having 5 competent OLmen is not asking for 5 pro blowers. Point being there are essentially 4 second year players (Gates 3rd year but second at Center) we need to be good to very good. Its a lot to ask for. Not saying it cant be done its just a long shot for all 4. Then there is Hernandez or whom ever will being playing RG. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 14, 2021 16:12:34 GMT -5
proper technique will allow an OL to use his natural instincts/smarts for the position better. The Giants have essentially 4 rookies returning to the OL. While gates not a rookie last season he was only a second year player manning a position he never played before. So to have all four ave success is asking a lot. Its a rarity so whether its Thomas, Lemuiex, Peart or Gates one or possibly towo of those players will not be starter caliber. Who knows with Hernandez he is on the bubble. Hernandez is not on the bubble. His demise has been greatly over-exaggerated. He gave up one sack and had one penalty last season and ranks somewhere in the middle of the league. The move to RG makes sense for a player who is more pure strength than athleticism. I always thought he was built more like a RG. Maybe not an All-Pro he is the least of our concerns. You're right, we had 4 rookies. Rookie OL's struggle. It's the second hardest position to develop. Rich Suebert was not a good player his first few years in the league. Chris Snee's rookie season was atrocious. Players do get better, quickly. We hope the same for McKinney, Holmes. The Giants are not putting this OL out there by accident. They understand what's riding on it. I’m convinced you never saw Hernandez play. To say this so openly and adamant about a player who’s had not one, but two bad years. His rookie season was the only bright spot, and it was as bright as a nightlight. And where are you getting this middle of the pack ranking? Even the fools at PFF said he was atrocious last season. What’s the excuses Mike? Covid, playing alongside a rookie, or now he was playing out of position? This slug needs all the help he can get.. You would think we have John Hannah with the way some talk about him. |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2021 17:07:17 GMT -5
Hernandez is not on the bubble. His demise has been greatly over-exaggerated. He gave up one sack and had one penalty last season and ranks somewhere in the middle of the league. The move to RG makes sense for a player who is more pure strength than athleticism. I always thought he was built more like a RG. Maybe not an All-Pro he is the least of our concerns. You're right, we had 4 rookies. Rookie OL's struggle. It's the second hardest position to develop. Rich Suebert was not a good player his first few years in the league. Chris Snee's rookie season was atrocious. Players do get better, quickly. We hope the same for McKinney, Holmes. The Giants are not putting this OL out there by accident. They understand what's riding on it. I’m convinced you never saw Hernandez play. To say this so openly and adamant about a player who’s had not one, but two bad years. His rookie season was the only bright sport, and it was as bright as a nightlight. And where are you getting this middle of the pack ranking? Even the fools at PFF said he was atrocious last season. What’s the excuses Mike? Covid, playing alongside a rookie, or now he was playing out of position? This slug needs all the help he can get.. You would think we have John Hannah with the way some talk about him. No they didn't. By PFF's own shaky rankings, he was average. Robert Hunt had a 65 grade with 3 sacks and 8 penalties. Hernandez 58 with 1 sack and 1 penalty. Was he inconsistent last season? Yes... Was he bad? He was average. This is the way around here with some of you. A player is either All Pro or he sucks. It's not like you focused on him during games. You heard some criticism, it gets exaggerated as "they suck". The only opinion that matters are the coaches and they clearly don't think he sucks if he's penciled as the RG. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 14, 2021 17:14:21 GMT -5
I’m convinced you never saw Hernandez play. To say this so openly and adamant about a player who’s had not one, but two bad years. His rookie season was the only bright sport, and it was as bright as a nightlight. And where are you getting this middle of the pack ranking? Even the fools at PFF said he was atrocious last season. What’s the excuses Mike? Covid, playing alongside a rookie, or now he was playing out of position? This slug needs all the help he can get.. You would think we have John Hannah with the way some talk about him. No they didn't. By PFF's own shaky rankings, he was average. Robert Hunt had a 65 grade with 3 sacks and 8 penalties. Hernandez 58 with 1 sack and 1 penalty. Was he inconsistent last season? Yes... Was he bad? He was average. This is the way around here with some of you. A player is either All Pro or he sucks. It's not like you focused on him during games. You heard some criticism, it gets exaggerated as "they suck". The only opinion that matters are the coaches and they clearly don't think he sucks if he's penciled as the RG. The same coaches who benched him last year for a rookie 5th rounder? |
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Post by McCherry on Jul 14, 2021 17:16:36 GMT -5
No they didn't. By PFF's own shaky rankings, he was average. Robert Hunt had a 65 grade with 3 sacks and 8 penalties. Hernandez 58 with 1 sack and 1 penalty. Was he inconsistent last season? Yes... Was he bad? He was average. This is the way around here with some of you. A player is either All Pro or he sucks. It's not like you focused on him during games. You heard some criticism, it gets exaggerated as "they suck". The only opinion that matters are the coaches and they clearly don't think he sucks if he's penciled as the RG. The same coaches who benched him last year for a rookie 5th rounder? When he was recovering from covid? Yep. And the same ones who passed up several talented Guards in the draft to make him the starting RG. |
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