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Post by nyg2 on Jul 22, 2021 12:56:37 GMT -5
New rule just adopted by the NFL, any team that has an outbreak due to their players being unvaccinated and they aren't able to reschedule will forfeit the match. Their goal is to play all 272 games over 18 weeks and have no intention in extending the season.
This will definitely raise the stakes.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 22, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -5
But the players are still researching the vaccine!
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Post by keyofgmen on Jul 22, 2021 15:32:12 GMT -5
Potential for a blow up...
Anybody interested in a PSL..2 front row Mezz club seats?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 22, 2021 16:15:34 GMT -5
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2021 16:18:06 GMT -5
Curious. If both teams have an outbreak. Would that conclude in a tie?
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Post by 3days on Jul 22, 2021 18:50:11 GMT -5
I think it is a good rule….unless it happens to the Giants!
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 22, 2021 19:07:55 GMT -5
Are they still going to have expanded rosters and/or practice squad rules?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 22, 2021 19:15:51 GMT -5
One has to wonder, will there be germ warfare going on this season. I could see a team like the Eagles purposely getting Giants players infected the week they play. Then again, they beat us anyway most the time.
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Post by nyg2 on Jul 23, 2021 9:56:00 GMT -5
Are they still going to have expanded rosters and/or practice squad rules? Rules haven't been finalized yet, but expectation around the league is that it will be just like 2020. What's your point though?
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Post by TEM on Jul 23, 2021 10:25:58 GMT -5
One has to wonder, will there be germ warfare going on this season. I could see a team like the Eagles purposely getting Giants players infected the week they play. Then again, they beat us anyway most the time. That is exactly what the player will do become a "small pox blanket."
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Post by TEM on Jul 23, 2021 10:26:28 GMT -5
One has to wonder, will there be germ warfare going on this season. I could see a team like the Eagles purposely getting Giants players infected the week they play. Then again, they beat us anyway most the time. That is exactly what the players will do become a "small pox blanket."
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 23, 2021 10:38:11 GMT -5
Are they still going to have expanded rosters and/or practice squad rules? Rules haven't been finalized yet, but expectation around the league is that it will be just like 2020. What's your point though? My point is to find out what changes to roster and practice squad will be?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 11:28:35 GMT -5
One has to wonder, will there be germ warfare going on this season. I could see a team like the Eagles purposely getting Giants players infected the week they play. Then again, they beat us anyway most the time. That is exactly what the player will do become a "small pox blanket." I get your point there and in theory it would be true, but just an FYI, the small pox blanket from the colonists was a debunked theory. Natives just got the diseases naturally from the Europeans as their immune systems were not ready for the wrath of viruses they brought over. Much like what they told us about the Trojan Horse in Troy. Imaginations and stories are fun. Which makes me question every religion and how its possible to be correct after so many years and the telephone game effect.... Damn, I went off path. Sorry. Lunch time thoughts. Im sure there will be a team or 2 this does affect, and it will be hilarious watching the theories on what happened. For us, we will know it will be Toney.
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Post by TEM on Jul 23, 2021 11:32:46 GMT -5
That is exactly what the player will do become a "small pox blanket." I get your point there and in theory it would be true, but just an FYI, the small pox blanket from the colonists was a debunked theory. Natives just got the diseases naturally from the Europeans as their immune systems were not ready for the wrath of viruses they brought over. Much like what they told us about the Trojan Horse in Troy. Imaginations and stories are fun. Which makes me question every religion and how its possible to be correct after so many years and the telephone game effect.... Damn, I went off path. Sorry. Lunch time thoughts. Im sure there will be a team or 2 this does affect, and it will be hilarious watching the theories on what happened. For us, we will know it will be Toney. . I was just using it as a example.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 11:39:51 GMT -5
I get your point there and in theory it would be true, but just an FYI, the small pox blanket from the colonists was a debunked theory. Natives just got the diseases naturally from the Europeans as their immune systems were not ready for the wrath of viruses they brought over. Much like what they told us about the Trojan Horse in Troy. Imaginations and stories are fun. Which makes me question every religion and how its possible to be correct after so many years and the telephone game effect.... Damn, I went off path. Sorry. Lunch time thoughts. Im sure there will be a team or 2 this does affect, and it will be hilarious watching the theories on what happened. For us, we will know it will be Toney. . I was just using it as a example. I know. It was on the brain though. Not meant to be a negative comment. emoji
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Post by nyg2 on Jul 23, 2021 13:05:39 GMT -5
Looks like teams are taking this new rule seriously.
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Post by 3days on Jul 23, 2021 15:17:52 GMT -5
Looks like teams are taking this new rule seriously. Kudos to the Vikes!
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 16:26:33 GMT -5
Looks like teams are taking this new rule seriously. Yes, the vaccine really helped the Yankees from having an outbreak of Covid, and the Tx Dems. Even with the vax, there are going to be outbreaks, especially with this latest explosion. My worry is, more than one team is going to suffer setbacks. Imagine if like 5-6 teams all have outbreaks. What then? They all forfeit? Then we have an illegitimate season.
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Post by 3days on Jul 23, 2021 16:44:19 GMT -5
Looks like teams are taking this new rule seriously. Yes, the vaccine really helped the Yankees from having an outbreak of Covid, and the Tx Dems. Even with the vax, there are going to be outbreaks, especially with this latest explosion. My worry is, more than one team is going to suffer setbacks. Imagine if like 5-6 teams all have outbreaks. What then? They all forfeit? Then we have an illegitimate season. Are you really trying to say that the vaccine did not help? You know the stats, it is very, very clear.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 17:12:28 GMT -5
Yes, the vaccine really helped the Yankees from having an outbreak of Covid, and the Tx Dems. Even with the vax, there are going to be outbreaks, especially with this latest explosion. My worry is, more than one team is going to suffer setbacks. Imagine if like 5-6 teams all have outbreaks. What then? They all forfeit? Then we have an illegitimate season. Are you really trying to say that the vaccine did not help? You know the stats, it is very, very clear. Wait, help what? The severity? Probably. The severity won't matter in this latest NFL rule.
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Post by 3days on Jul 23, 2021 17:58:03 GMT -5
Are you really trying to say that the vaccine did not help? You know the stats, it is very, very clear. Wait, help what? The severity? Probably. The severity won't matter in this latest NFL rule. Moderna and Pfizer are 95% effective. What I am saying is you will get chance to point to people who get sick but it is wrong to say that it did not help, stats say only 5% of those who would have did get sick. That is if they use their brain and get vaccinated.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 18:48:13 GMT -5
Wait, help what? The severity? Probably. The severity won't matter in this latest NFL rule. Moderna and Pfizer are 95% effective. What I am saying is you will get chance to point to people who get sick but it is wrong to say that it did not help, stats say only 5% of those who would have did get sick. That is if they use their brain and get vaccinated. Well, it was less than 95% effective in the Yankee clubhouse and on that plane from Texas. I keep hearing stats thrown around and no data or context. My point being, outbreaks will occur to vaccinated players. They can get it and spread it. When you have sports like this, guys all grouped together, drooling and spitting on each other. Hugging each other. All it takes is one to act like the vax is a shield and carry it into the clubhouse for it to spread. It may not be as severe symptoms but regardless an positive covid test. And then, the UK said 40% of hospitalizations were from vaccinated people. That doesn't help. Isreal said the Pfizer vax was only 39% effective for them. Also, those 94-95% effective, are talking about showing symptoms, not stopping people from getting it. If the players are tested before every game, those positive asymptomatic players will get popped. That's my worry. Cases are underreported. Most don't even know they have/had it, but if the NFL is testing them regularly it will show up. The Delta variant is much easier to spread from everything I have read, plus more immune to vaccines. That's the variant circling right now. So it could be an issue all I'm saying.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 23, 2021 19:13:45 GMT -5
Moderna and Pfizer are 95% effective. What I am saying is you will get chance to point to people who get sick but it is wrong to say that it did not help, stats say only 5% of those who would have did get sick. That is if they use their brain and get vaccinated. Well, it was less than 95% effective in the Yankee clubhouse and on that plane from Texas. I keep hearing stats thrown around and no data or context. My point being, outbreaks will occur to vaccinated players. They can get it and spread it. When you have sports like this, guys all grouped together, drooling and spitting on each other. Hugging each other. All it takes is one to act like the vax is a shield and carry it into the clubhouse for it to spread. It may not be as severe symptoms but regardless an positive covid test. And then, the UK said 40% of hospitalizations were from vaccinated people. That doesn't help. Isreal said the Pfizer vax was only 39% effective for them. Also, those 94-95% effective, are talking about showing symptoms, not stopping people from getting it. If the players are tested before every game, those positive asymptomatic players will get popped. That's my worry. Cases are underreported. Most don't even know they have/had it, but if the NFL is testing them regularly it will show up. The Delta variant is much easier to spread from everything I have read, plus more immune to vaccines. That's the variant circling right now. So it could be an issue all I'm saying. Literally no one ever claimed the vaccines would stop positive tests, or prevent you from getting the virus. They do make any infection way less severe for most people, and also make a vaccinated person less likely to spread it because of lower viral loads. The same way flu shots do. I agree with you that under current MLB and NFL rules it won't help with vaccinated peeps getting tested positive. But the rules won't change and the virus won't stop mutating until a lot larger percent of the population gets vaccinated. It's ironic that many of the same people who are vocal about opening everything up are preventing that from happening by not getting the vaccines.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 19:33:48 GMT -5
Well, it was less than 95% effective in the Yankee clubhouse and on that plane from Texas. I keep hearing stats thrown around and no data or context. My point being, outbreaks will occur to vaccinated players. They can get it and spread it. When you have sports like this, guys all grouped together, drooling and spitting on each other. Hugging each other. All it takes is one to act like the vax is a shield and carry it into the clubhouse for it to spread. It may not be as severe symptoms but regardless an positive covid test. And then, the UK said 40% of hospitalizations were from vaccinated people. That doesn't help. Isreal said the Pfizer vax was only 39% effective for them. Also, those 94-95% effective, are talking about showing symptoms, not stopping people from getting it. If the players are tested before every game, those positive asymptomatic players will get popped. That's my worry. Cases are underreported. Most don't even know they have/had it, but if the NFL is testing them regularly it will show up. The Delta variant is much easier to spread from everything I have read, plus more immune to vaccines. That's the variant circling right now. So it could be an issue all I'm saying. Literally no one ever claimed the vaccines would stop positive tests, or prevent you from getting the virus. They do make any infection way less severe for most people, and also make a vaccinated person less likely to spread it because of lower viral loads. The same way flu shots do. I agree with you that under current MLB and NFL rules it won't help with vaccinated peeps getting tested positive. But the rules won't change and the virus won't stop mutating until a lot larger percent of the population gets vaccinated. It's ironic that many of the same people who are vocal about opening everything up are preventing that from happening by not getting the vaccines. Agreed. The rules are going to be tough. Vaccinated players will get popped. Then what? Whose fault is it? Or will they only test the unvaccinated? But even then, the unvaccinated could have gotten it from a vaccinated person. Even if the entire team is vaccinated there could be an outbreak. So you would penalize them for something pretty much out of their control. Doesn't make much sense. I understand the purpose, just not the logic.
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Post by 3days on Jul 23, 2021 19:39:54 GMT -5
Moderna and Pfizer are 95% effective. What I am saying is you will get chance to point to people who get sick but it is wrong to say that it did not help, stats say only 5% of those who would have did get sick. That is if they use their brain and get vaccinated. Well, it was less than 95% effective in the Yankee clubhouse and on that plane from Texas. I keep hearing stats thrown around and no data or context. My point being, outbreaks will occur to vaccinated players. They can get it and spread it. When you have sports like this, guys all grouped together, drooling and spitting on each other. Hugging each other. All it takes is one to act like the vax is a shield and carry it into the clubhouse for it to spread. It may not be as severe symptoms but regardless an positive covid test. And then, the UK said 40% of hospitalizations were from vaccinated people. That doesn't help. Isreal said the Pfizer vax was only 39% effective for them. Also, those 94-95% effective, are talking about showing symptoms, not stopping people from getting it. If the players are tested before every game, those positive asymptomatic players will get popped. That's my worry. Cases are underreported. Most don't even know they have/had it, but if the NFL is testing them regularly it will show up. The Delta variant is much easier to spread from everything I have read, plus more immune to vaccines. That's the variant circling right now. So it could be an issue all I'm saying. The Delta variant is really bad, we are lucky that is not how it started. I agree with your point that we could still see a bunch of asymptomatic players get a positive test. The good news is if they are vaccinated then they don’t have the forfeit.
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 23, 2021 19:43:31 GMT -5
Literally no one ever claimed the vaccines would stop positive tests, or prevent you from getting the virus. They do make any infection way less severe for most people, and also make a vaccinated person less likely to spread it because of lower viral loads. The same way flu shots do. I agree with you that under current MLB and NFL rules it won't help with vaccinated peeps getting tested positive. But the rules won't change and the virus won't stop mutating until a lot larger percent of the population gets vaccinated. It's ironic that many of the same people who are vocal about opening everything up are preventing that from happening by not getting the vaccines. Agreed. The rules are going to be tough. Vaccinated players will get popped. Then what? Whose fault is it? Or will they only test the unvaccinated? But even then, the unvaccinated could have gotten it from a vaccinated person. Even if the entire team is vaccinated there could be an outbreak. So you would penalize them for something pretty much out of their control. Doesn't make much sense. I understand the purpose, just not the logic. I agree.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 20:09:29 GMT -5
Well, it was less than 95% effective in the Yankee clubhouse and on that plane from Texas. I keep hearing stats thrown around and no data or context. My point being, outbreaks will occur to vaccinated players. They can get it and spread it. When you have sports like this, guys all grouped together, drooling and spitting on each other. Hugging each other. All it takes is one to act like the vax is a shield and carry it into the clubhouse for it to spread. It may not be as severe symptoms but regardless an positive covid test. And then, the UK said 40% of hospitalizations were from vaccinated people. That doesn't help. Isreal said the Pfizer vax was only 39% effective for them. Also, those 94-95% effective, are talking about showing symptoms, not stopping people from getting it. If the players are tested before every game, those positive asymptomatic players will get popped. That's my worry. Cases are underreported. Most don't even know they have/had it, but if the NFL is testing them regularly it will show up. The Delta variant is much easier to spread from everything I have read, plus more immune to vaccines. That's the variant circling right now. So it could be an issue all I'm saying. The Delta variant is really bad, we are lucky that is not how it started. I agree with your point that we could still see a bunch of asymptomatic players get a positive test. The good news is if they are vaccinated then they don’t have the forfeit. Is that how it is going to work? So if you have 5 players get covid, 4 are vaccinated, and it appears the unvaccinated player got it from the vaccinated player who went out that week, will they still be forced to forfeit?
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Post by 3days on Jul 23, 2021 21:19:47 GMT -5
The Delta variant is really bad, we are lucky that is not how it started. I agree with your point that we could still see a bunch of asymptomatic players get a positive test. The good news is if they are vaccinated then they don’t have the forfeit. Is that how it is going to work? So if you have 5 players get covid, 4 are vaccinated, and it appears the unvaccinated player got it from the vaccinated player who went out that week, will they still be forced to forfeit? I don’t think so, I think if you can’t field a team because of the amount of unvaccinated players who have gotten COVID. So let’s say you have an outbreak but you could still dress the min with your vaccinated players, you are good. If you can’t then you have to forfeit.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jul 23, 2021 21:29:05 GMT -5
Is that how it is going to work? So if you have 5 players get covid, 4 are vaccinated, and it appears the unvaccinated player got it from the vaccinated player who went out that week, will they still be forced to forfeit? I don’t think so, I think if you can’t field a team because of the amount of unvaccinated players who have gotten COVID. So let’s say you have an outbreak but you could still dress the min with your vaccinated players, you are good. If you can’t then you have to forfeit. Man that could get messy.
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Post by robl on Jul 24, 2021 17:08:54 GMT -5
First casualty:
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