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Post by TEM on Aug 21, 2021 18:50:23 GMT -5
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 21, 2021 19:08:09 GMT -5
Rudolph promised me he would not miss any football, so I'm taking him at his word until he misses a game.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 21, 2021 19:27:48 GMT -5
So.... is Toney playing tomorrow? I thought I read a tweet saying that he wasn't going to play. But I can't find that tweet. How disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 19:49:46 GMT -5
I thought I read a tweet saying that he wasn't going to play. But I can't find that tweet. How disappointing.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 21, 2021 20:00:15 GMT -5
Not the best start to his career here.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 21, 2021 20:06:55 GMT -5
Who was the other #1 pick that didnt practice. I think had nagging hamstring all through the offseason workouts, training camp and pre season. Then missed first 4 or 5 games i think Beckham?? Then turned into a world class distraction. Yep that's him. I don't want to connect the two because each person is an individual and shouldn't be force into a pre-determined bucket. Let's root the young man until he gives us a real reason not to. Right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 20:11:59 GMT -5
Not the best start to his career here. He’ll be ok.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 25, 2021 12:12:07 GMT -5
Who was the other #1 pick that didnt practice. I think had nagging hamstring all through the offseason workouts, training camp and pre season. Then missed first 4 or 5 games i think Beckham?? Then turned into a world class distraction. Yep that's him. I don't want to connect the two because each person is an individual and shouldn't be force into a pre-determined bucket. Let's root the young man until he gives us a real reason not to. Right? right. Wasnt comparing him to Odell. Just that we seem to have issues with highly anticipated #1s to start season. Then theres David Wilson looked promsing in 1st year in 2012 but 5 games into the 2013 season he had that neck injury and that waa it for him pretty much
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Post by robl on Aug 25, 2021 12:42:51 GMT -5
Then turned into a world class distraction. Yep that's him. I don't want to connect the two because each person is an individual and shouldn't be force into a pre-determined bucket. Let's root the young man until he gives us a real reason not to. Right? right. Wasnt comparing him to Odell. Just that we seem to have issues with highly anticipated #1s to start season. Then theres David Wilson looked promsing in 1st year in 2012 but 5 games into the 2013 season he had that neck injury and that waa it for him pretty much How many people here are aware that David Wilson holds the single game Giants record for all purpose yards (327)?
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Post by thetruth on Aug 25, 2021 12:50:47 GMT -5
right. Wasnt comparing him to Odell. Just that we seem to have issues with highly anticipated #1s to start season. Then theres David Wilson looked promsing in 1st year in 2012 but 5 games into the 2013 season he had that neck injury and that waa it for him pretty much How many people here are aware that David Wilson holds the single game Giants record for all purpose yards (327)? Spinal stenosis is no joke and not checked for predraft injury reports. Shame, Wilson was damn explosive.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 25, 2021 13:02:57 GMT -5
How many people here are aware that David Wilson holds the single game Giants record for all purpose yards (327)? Spinal stenosis is no joke and not checked for predraft injury reports. Shame, Wilson was damn explosive. I'm in the minority that didn't hate that pick considering we were at 32 though there was an O lineman (forget his name )I would have preferred that played LT for Buffalo at a high level for 7 years or so
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Post by thetruth on Aug 25, 2021 13:05:26 GMT -5
Spinal stenosis is no joke and not checked for predraft injury reports. Shame, Wilson was damn explosive. I'm in the minority that didn't hate that pick considering we were at 32 though there was an O lineman (forget his name )I would have preferred that played LT for Buffalo at a high level for 7 years or so 100%. Im not a fan of a RB in the first but if you're going to take one in the first this is the only slot I would consider it. I think Wilson could/would have been a pretty good RB. However, they're a dime a dozen IMO. History seems to back it
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 25, 2021 15:20:27 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that didn't hate that pick considering we were at 32 though there was an O lineman (forget his name )I would have preferred that played LT for Buffalo at a high level for 7 years or so 100%. Im not a fan of a RB in the first but if you're going to take one in the first this is the only slot I would consider it. I think Wilson could/would have been a pretty good RB. However, they're a dime a dozen IMO. History seems to back it All the skill positions save for QB are.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 25, 2021 15:26:26 GMT -5
Spinal stenosis is no joke and not checked for predraft injury reports. Shame, Wilson was damn explosive. I'm in the minority that didn't hate that pick considering we were at 32 though there was an O lineman (forget his name )I would have preferred that played LT for Buffalo at a high level for 7 years or so Wilson was very sporadic. He wasn't a great pure RB. Fumbled a lot too. A better gadget player.
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Post by thetruth on Aug 25, 2021 15:30:52 GMT -5
100%. Im not a fan of a RB in the first but if you're going to take one in the first this is the only slot I would consider it. I think Wilson could/would have been a pretty good RB. However, they're a dime a dozen IMO. History seems to back it All the skill positions save for QB are. Yeah agreed, overall. I would argue WR are more valuable simply because great ones require defenses to shift coverage. RB's dont impact coverage as you can simply disguise presnap looks to load the box but still be in relatively conservation coverages. Splitting hairs, but this team once and for all needs to focus on a god damn OL
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 25, 2021 15:30:54 GMT -5
right. Wasnt comparing him to Odell. Just that we seem to have issues with highly anticipated #1s to start season. Then theres David Wilson looked promsing in 1st year in 2012 but 5 games into the 2013 season he had that neck injury and that waa it for him pretty much How many people here are aware that David Wilson holds the single game Giants record for all purpose yards (327)? Oh i think quite a few. That Saints game was crazy
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 25, 2021 15:34:07 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that didn't hate that pick considering we were at 32 though there was an O lineman (forget his name )I would have preferred that played LT for Buffalo at a high level for 7 years or so Wilson was very sporadic. He wasn't a great pure RB. Fumbled a lot too. A better gadget player. He couldn’t block my grandmother. And she’s been dead for years. His best games were against an Eagles team that quit, and a Saints defense that was historically bad. Great kickoff returner, that’s it..
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 25, 2021 15:35:30 GMT -5
All the skill positions save for QB are. Yeah agreed, overall. I would argue WR are more valuable simply because great ones require defenses to shift coverage. RB's dont impact coverage as you can simply disguise presnap looks to load the box but still be in relatively conservation coverages. Splitting hairs, but this team once and for all needs to focus on a god damn OL Yep...especially in this era Backs are now dependent on the entire offense functioning like a machine Even the ones that can take over a game like Henry as well (see playoffs last year,Titans passing game sputters you can contain Henry enough to beat them
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 25, 2021 15:36:32 GMT -5
is it possible that Toney has Covid and the team is reluctant tout that out there??
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 25, 2021 15:47:26 GMT -5
is it possible that Toney has Covid and the team is reluctant tout that out there?? I’m starting to think Kadarius Toney doesn’t exist. Yeah, we drafted some kid from Florida, who has electric stuff. However, has anyone actually seen him?
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 25, 2021 15:58:40 GMT -5
All the skill positions save for QB are. Yeah agreed, overall. I would argue WR are more valuable simply because great ones require defenses to shift coverage. RB's dont impact coverage as you can simply disguise presnap looks to load the box but still be in relatively conservation coverages. Splitting hairs, but this team once and for all needs to focus on a god damn OL I think great ones no matter the position do that. I was referring to the dime a dozen qualifier.
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Post by jaymas on Aug 25, 2021 16:42:53 GMT -5
David Wilson's speed and explosiveness was not dime a dozen. Still one of the more explosive guys I've ever watched to be honest.
At pick 32, well worth the potential. Never really got a chance to materialize unfortunately. Would have been a great fit in the Coughlin/Mac offense. Didn't get to do it a lot at Va. Tech, but guy could catch the ball.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Aug 25, 2021 16:55:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately what's happening is what I feared when we signed Golladay and Jackson. Those signings were high risk, high reward. I was hopeful regarding Toney and Rudolph, but here we are with the season fast approaching and who knows if these guys will be ready. The whole Toney situation has been a giant cluster....
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Post by bluejayc on Aug 25, 2021 17:21:30 GMT -5
is it possible that Toney has Covid and the team is reluctant tout that out there?? I think that would be a huge league violation. Pretty sure teams are required to disclose COVID affected players. Maybe lingering issues from it? Regardless there is a black cloud over this kid…..no cleats day 1, contract impacted his rookie camp, came down with COVID during regular camp, now is it a hammy or an undisclosed injury? Just not good all around for a self-proclaimed rapper that plays football. Thank God for the additional first round 2022 pick….I think that’s one of the only reasons fans are tolerating his current status….could you imagine if they took Toney straight up no trade?!?!?? Board would be imploding.
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Post by piddy283 on Aug 25, 2021 19:19:36 GMT -5
right. Wasnt comparing him to Odell. Just that we seem to have issues with highly anticipated #1s to start season. Then theres David Wilson looked promsing in 1st year in 2012 but 5 games into the 2013 season he had that neck injury and that waa it for him pretty much How many people here are aware that David Wilson holds the single game Giants record for all purpose yards (327)? What a game.
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Post by lexington11 on Aug 26, 2021 0:00:39 GMT -5
This guy has been a problem since day one. Many don’t want to face facts. The writing is on the wall. Great pick Dave. Thanks. this is plain silly, a problem? The only people making it a problem are the fans. Devontae smith Missed a few weeks and looked bad in his first preseason game. Is he a problem too?
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 26, 2021 0:37:13 GMT -5
This guy has been a problem since day one. Many don’t want to face facts. The writing is on the wall. Great pick Dave. Thanks. this is plain silly, a problem? The only people making it a problem are the fans. Devontae smith Missed a few weeks and looked bad in his first preseason game. Is he a problem too? He's clearly a bust.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 26, 2021 8:50:53 GMT -5
is it possible that Toney has Covid and the team is reluctant tout that out there?? I think that would be a huge league violation. Pretty sure teams are required to disclose COVID affected players. Maybe lingering issues from it? Regardless there is a black cloud over this kid…..no cleats day 1, contract impacted his rookie camp, came down with COVID during regular camp, now is it a hammy or an undisclosed injury? Just not good all around for a self-proclaimed rapper that plays football. Thank God for the additional first round 2022 pick….I think that’s one of the only reasons fans are tolerating his current status….could you imagine if they took Toney straight up no trade?!?!?? Board would be imploding. the only thing I can say for Toney is that he better be as good as advertised after all the BS....
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