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Post by SG88 on Aug 28, 2021 9:27:10 GMT -5
They're clearly not sold on Hurts and I can totally see him starting several games. He is a good QB. Jax did him a solid because he would never see the field.
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 28, 2021 9:41:03 GMT -5
Don’t see him as a starter. Good backup though
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 9:57:45 GMT -5
Don’t see him as a starter. Good backup though He arguably had a better rookie year than DJ. Minshew is great on the run and making plays. Reminds me of Tony Romo to be honest. Eagles got a steal for a 6th rounder IMO. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 10:03:25 GMT -5
Why did JV trade a 6 round pick ( cheap contract) for another 6th round pick if he is a good backup. This make no sense unless the Jags do not believe he is a good backup.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 10:07:23 GMT -5
Minshews career stats:
20 games started
7-13
62.9%
5530 yards
37 TDs
11 INTs
14 Fumbles
93.1 rating
Daniel Jones career stats:
26 games started
8-18 record
62.2%
5970 yards
35 TDs
22 INTs
20 fumbles
84.1 rating
Who had a better first 2 years? Both played on bad teams.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 10:08:39 GMT -5
Why did JV trade a 6 round pick ( cheap contract) for another 6th round pick if he is a good backup. This make no sense unless the Jags do not believe he is a good backup. Minshew wants to start. They probably told him they would trade him if Lawrence won the starting job and he did. Minshew is a solid QB and can start for a bunch of teams in this league. |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 10:11:52 GMT -5
Minshews career stats: 20 games started 7-13 62.9% 5530 yards 37 TDs 11 INTs 14 Fumbles 93.1 rating Daniel Jones career stats: 26 games started 8-18 record 62.2% 5970 yards 35 TDs 22 INTs 20 fumbles 84.1 rating Who had a better first 2 years? Both played on bad teams. Without knowing the names.. if someone told me that one player was a 6th round pick, and the other was a 6th overall. I would say that one of the general managers should be managing a Dairy Queen. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 10:17:51 GMT -5
Why did JV trade a 6 round pick ( cheap contract) for another 6th round pick if he is a good backup. This make no sense unless the Jags do not believe he is a good backup. Minshew wants to start. They probably told him they would trade him if Lawrence won the starting job and he did. Minshew is a solid QB and can start for a bunch of teams in this league. I don't buy that. No team gives up any "good" player for a 6 round pick unless it frees up needed cap space. He makes just shy of 900 thousand. So that was not the case. It must be he was expendable more so than C.J Beathard's 3 million dollar contract. So it is obvious the Jags have More faith in Beathard than Minshew as a backup. |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 10:21:08 GMT -5
Minshew wants to start. They probably told him they would trade him if Lawrence won the starting job and he did. Minshew is a solid QB and can start for a bunch of teams in this league. I don't buy that. No team gives up any "good" player for a 6 round pick unless it frees up needed cap space. He makes just shy of 900 thousand. So that was not the case. It must be he was expendable more so than C.J Beathard's 3 million dollar contract. So it is obvious the Jags have More faith in Beathard than Minshew as a backup. It could be as simple as Minshew asked for a trade. He knows he has a snowballs chance in hell of ever starting in Jacksonville. So, why not ask for a better opportunity? Both parties are happy, Jaguars get a draft pick. Minshew, has a chance to compete for a spot. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 10:24:54 GMT -5
Minshew wants to start. They probably told him they would trade him if Lawrence won the starting job and he did. Minshew is a solid QB and can start for a bunch of teams in this league. I don't buy that. No team gives up any "good" player for a 6 round pick unless it frees up needed cap space. He makes just shy of 900 thousand. So that was not the case. It must be he was expendable more so than C.J Beathard's 3 million dollar contract. So it is obvious the Jags have More faith in Beathard than Minshew as a backup. I agree. Just saying, Minshew has starting talent. He is a good QB. I've seen nearly every one of his starts. It's the Jags and Urban Meyer we are talking about here. Haven't really been making the best of moves. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 10:39:35 GMT -5
I don't buy that. No team gives up any "good" player for a 6 round pick unless it frees up needed cap space. He makes just shy of 900 thousand. So that was not the case. It must be he was expendable more so than C.J Beathard's 3 million dollar contract. So it is obvious the Jags have More faith in Beathard than Minshew as a backup. It could be as simple as Minshew asked for a trade. He knows he has a snowballs chance in hell of ever starting in Jacksonville. So, why not ask for a better opportunity? Both parties are happy, Jaguars get a draft pick. Minshew, has a chance to compete for a spot. 6th round picks are lucky to be on the roster. Yeah they have pull to say the want to be traded. No team gives up a good player for a 6th round pick. Just by that alone tell what the Jags FO thought about him. I can see it now . Trade me. OR I will just sit out if I don't get my way . I'll show you . Your going have to eat 0 dollars in already given bonus if I decide to do so. I suggest you see it my way. You didn't see GB moving Rodgers or Houston moving to trade Watson. Both asked to be traded and had way more pull that Minshew. |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 11:03:16 GMT -5
It could be as simple as Minshew asked for a trade. He knows he has a snowballs chance in hell of ever starting in Jacksonville. So, why not ask for a better opportunity? Both parties are happy, Jaguars get a draft pick. Minshew, has a chance to compete for a spot. 6th round picks are lucky to be on the roster. Yeah they have pull to say the want to be traded. No team gives up a good player for a 6th round pick. Just by that alone tell what the Jags FO thought about him. I can see it now . Trade me. OR I will just sit out if I don't get my way . I'll show you . Your going have to eat 0 dollars in already given bonus if I decide to do so. I suggest you see it my way. You didn't see GB moving Rodgers or Houston moving to trade Watson. Both asked to be traded and had way more pull that Minshew. First, all players have a voice. It’s the choice of the organization to listen to them or not. Second, giving demands is completely different from asking for a trade. For all we know, Gardner spoke to Meyer and said he would like to be traded if the opportunity arises. This isn’t a dictatorship, if a player is unhappy or feels he can have a better shot to play on another team. Most, franchises will honor that. It gets difficult when the player is A, a star.. And B, has a huge contract attached to him. Example, Aaron Rodgers. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Aug 28, 2021 11:09:53 GMT -5
Cheap return for the luxury of no QB depth.
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 11:20:00 GMT -5
6th round picks are lucky to be on the roster. Yeah they have pull to say the want to be traded. No team gives up a good player for a 6th round pick. Just by that alone tell what the Jags FO thought about him. I can see it now . Trade me. OR I will just sit out if I don't get my way . I'll show you . Your going have to eat 0 dollars in already given bonus if I decide to do so. I suggest you see it my way. You didn't see GB moving Rodgers or Houston moving to trade Watson. Both asked to be traded and had way more pull that Minshew. First, all players have a voice. It’s the choice of the organization to listen to them or not. Second, giving demands is completely different from asking for a trade. For all we know, Gardner spoke to Meyer and said he would like to be traded if the opportunity arises. This isn’t a dictatorship, if a player is unhappy or feels he can have a better shot to play on another team. Most, franchises will honor that. It gets difficult when the player is A, a star.. And B, has a huge contract attached to him. Example, Aaron Rodgers. That is an unknown. As far as I am concerned . Thay just moved on from him thinking he is not any solution going forward. The facts support that. The drafted Lawrence The Singed C.J. Beathard as their backup. They Jumped Minshew twice. |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 11:48:32 GMT -5
First, all players have a voice. It’s the choice of the organization to listen to them or not. Second, giving demands is completely different from asking for a trade. For all we know, Gardner spoke to Meyer and said he would like to be traded if the opportunity arises. This isn’t a dictatorship, if a player is unhappy or feels he can have a better shot to play on another team. Most, franchises will honor that. It gets difficult when the player is A, a star.. And B, has a huge contract attached to him. Example, Aaron Rodgers. That is an unknown. As far as I am concerned . Thay just moved on from him thinking he is not any solution going forward. The facts support that. The drafted Lawrence The Singed C.J. Beathard as their backup. They Jumped Minshew twice. His days as a starter were all but gone once Trevor Lawrence was taken 1st overall. Minshew, has 20 games started under his belt. And has decent numbers to back it. In his mind, he thinks he can still start in this league. He won’t get that in Jacksonville, the idea that he asked for a trade is very reasonable. Instead, of keeping an unhappy player. The Jaguars got a late round draft pick. And the Eagles got a viable option if Hurts gets injured. C.J Beathard is no threat to Lawrence if he struggles. Trevor could fall on his face for 17 games. And you won’t hear a single Jaguars fan ask to see Beathard. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 11:54:22 GMT -5
That is an unknown. As far as I am concerned . Thay just moved on from him thinking he is not any solution going forward. The facts support that. The drafted Lawrence The Singed C.J. Beathard as their backup. They Jumped Minshew twice. His days as a starter were all but gone once Trevor Lawrence was taken 1st overall. Minshew, has 20 games started under his belt. And has decent numbers to back it. In his mind, he thinks he can still start in this league. He won’t get that in Jacksonville, the idea that he asked for a trade is very reasonable. Instead, of keeping an unhappy player. The Jaguars got a late round draft pick. And the Eagles got a viable option if Hurts gets injured. C.J Beathard is no threat to Lawrence if he struggles. Trevor could fall on his face for 17 games. And you won’t hear a single Jaguars fan ask to see Beathard. I doubt he gets that in Philly also. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 28, 2021 11:56:58 GMT -5
His days as a starter were all but gone once Trevor Lawrence was taken 1st overall. Minshew, has 20 games started under his belt. And has decent numbers to back it. In his mind, he thinks he can still start in this league. He won’t get that in Jacksonville, the idea that he asked for a trade is very reasonable. Instead, of keeping an unhappy player. The Jaguars got a late round draft pick. And the Eagles got a viable option if Hurts gets injured. C.J Beathard is no threat to Lawrence if he struggles. Trevor could fall on his face for 17 games. And you won’t hear a single Jaguars fan ask to see Beathard. I doubt he gets that in Philly also. He's 3rd string behind Flacco as of now, so the Iggles fans certainly should hope they don't see him on the field. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 12:02:27 GMT -5
Why did Philly give up a 6th when they could have just singed him on Tuesday after he was cut?
Wasn't that the logic with some on the board?
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 12:10:03 GMT -5
Why did Philly give up a 6th when they could have just singed him on Tuesday after he was cut? Wasn't that the logic with some on the board? And what if he’s not cut? Now, the Eagles are left with their dick in their hand and some washed up Joe Flacco behind an unproven quarterback in Jalen Hurts. This isn’t difficult, the Eagles gave up a measly 6th round pick, for a decent quarterback. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 12:12:07 GMT -5
Why did Philly give up a 6th when they could have just singed him on Tuesday after he was cut? Wasn't that the logic with some on the board? And what if he’s not cut? Now, the Eagles are left with their dick in their hand and some washed up Joe Flacco behind an unproven quarterback in Jalen Hurts. This isn’t difficult, the Eagles gave up a measly 6th round pick, for a decent quarterback. But wasn't that the narrative with trading for LW . He could have got tagged right...... |
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 28, 2021 12:13:20 GMT -5
Minshews career stats: 20 games started 7-13 62.9% 5530 yards 37 TDs 11 INTs 14 Fumbles 93.1 rating Daniel Jones career stats: 26 games started 8-18 record 62.2% 5970 yards 35 TDs 22 INTs 20 fumbles 84.1 rating Who had a better first 2 years? Both played on bad teams. Is this a study in the uselessness of QB stat gathering in a vacuum? |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 12:22:15 GMT -5
And what if he’s not cut? Now, the Eagles are left with their dick in their hand and some washed up Joe Flacco behind an unproven quarterback in Jalen Hurts. This isn’t difficult, the Eagles gave up a measly 6th round pick, for a decent quarterback. But wasn't that the narrative with trading for LW . He could have got tagged right...... A bad team gives up a 3rd and a 5th for a player on a walk year. Compared, to the Eagles who gave up a VCR for a player they still have control for two more years. Not comparable in the slightest. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 12:28:02 GMT -5
Minshews career stats: 20 games started 7-13 62.9% 5530 yards 37 TDs 11 INTs 14 Fumbles 93.1 rating Daniel Jones career stats: 26 games started 8-18 record 62.2% 5970 yards 35 TDs 22 INTs 20 fumbles 84.1 rating Who had a better first 2 years? Both played on bad teams. Is this a study in the uselessness of QB stat gathering in a vacuum? So if stats are useless, and the eye test is useless because it's not based on stats, and W/L records are a team thing, how do we ever judge a QB? Tom Brady might as well be Mike Glennon with more luck. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 28, 2021 12:33:52 GMT -5
Is this a study in the uselessness of QB stat gathering in a vacuum? So if stats are useless, and the eye test is useless because it's not based on stats, and W/L records are a team thing, how do we ever judge a QB? Tom Brady might as well be Mike Glennon with more luck. Exactly. It’s silliness on steroids. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 12:34:26 GMT -5
But wasn't that the narrative with trading for LW . He could have got tagged right...... A bad team gives up a 3rd and a 5th for a player on a walk year. Compared, to the Eagles who gave up a VCR for a player they still have control for two more years. Not comparable in the slightest. lets not spin this out of context Lets get back to the point you made and I made. You said they won't cut a 6th round pick . What it sounds like is you saying the Jets would have just let him walk without tagging him . The Jags won't cut a 3rd string QB,because he is valuable. Yet they gave him up for a 6th round pick We give up few picks to get a top D-linemen to upgrade our D and might I add it did . Are you saying giving up a draft pick for a player who is likely to be cut in 4 days was a better deal than LW.  |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 12:52:22 GMT -5
A bad team gives up a 3rd and a 5th for a player on a walk year. Compared, to the Eagles who gave up a VCR for a player they still have control for two more years. Not comparable in the slightest. lets not spin this out of context Lets get back to the point you made and I made. You said they won't cut a 6th round pick . What it sounds like is you saying the Jets would have just let him walk without tagging him . The Jags won't cut a 3rd string QB,because he is valuable. Yet the gave him up for a 6th round pick We give up few picks to get a top D-linemen to upgrade our D and might I add it did . You are saying giving up a draft pick for a player who is likely to be cut in 4 days was a better deal than LW. If you’re going to speak for me, at least get what I said correct. I said “what if they don’t?” Meaning, they don’t cut Minshew, which was a possibility. Also, you bringing up Williams has nothing to do with a backup quarterback being traded. The Jaguars got a draft pick for a player they no longer wanted. Also, the Eagles got a quarterback who can play in this league. Another, win.. You’re over analyzing a trade that isn’t even a blurb in the morning paper. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 12:56:01 GMT -5
A bad team gives up a 3rd and a 5th for a player on a walk year. Compared, to the Eagles who gave up a VCR for a player they still have control for two more years. Not comparable in the slightest. lets not spin this out of context Lets get back to the point you made and I made. You said they won't cut a 6th round pick . What it sounds like is you saying the Jets would have just let him walk without tagging him . The Jags won't cut a 3rd string QB,because he is valuable. Yet they gave him up for a 6th round pick We give up few picks to get a top D-linemen to upgrade our D and might I add it did . Are you saying giving up a draft pick for a player who is likely to be cut in 4 days was a better deal than LW. Im going to clear up a little bit here. Minshew is not a 3rd string QB. He is only the 2nd string due to Trevor Lawrence being their new QB, who has a much much higher ceiling than Minshew. If you think Beathard is a better QB (I like him too be the way), then you are ignoring stats from their careers and tape of their play. Living down i the area, I hear the whispers. Minshew wanted out if he wasnt the starter week 1. The Jags named their #1 pick the week 1 starter despite an "eh" preseason, because of pressure. Minshew is a proven QB in this league over the past 2 years. Beathard has and 4 years in this league, and was a spot starter at best. In those spot starts, he was 2-10, 58% comp, 18 TDs to 13 INTs with 3469 yards. HE is what he is, a spot starter backup. Thats why he got the job. Minshew can still start for a handful of NFL teams right now, and depending on 2021, one might be us. He certainly will be fighting for the #1 spot in Philly this season, something he had no chance on winning in Jacksonville. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 12:57:42 GMT -5
lets not spin this out of context Lets get back to the point you made and I made. You said they won't cut a 6th round pick . What it sounds like is you saying the Jets would have just let him walk without tagging him . The Jags won't cut a 3rd string QB,because he is valuable. Yet the gave him up for a 6th round pick We give up few picks to get a top D-linemen to upgrade our D and might I add it did . You are saying giving up a draft pick for a player who is likely to be cut in 4 days was a better deal than LW. If you’re going to speak for me, at least get what I said correct. I said “what if they don’t?” Meaning, they don’t cut Minshew, which was a possibility. Also, you bringing up Williams has nothing to do with a backup quarterback being traded. The Jaguars got a draft pick for a player they no longer wanted. Also, the Eagles got a quarterback who can play in this league. Another, win.. You’re over analyzing a trade that isn’t even a blurb in the morning paper. It is exactly the same in premise. Why waste a draft pick or picks on a player that could be singed when he is a FA? ( this one in 3 days) That is what was being said about Williams. So explain how it is not the same? They drafted one QB they signed another . They are only keeping 2 . So who would be the odd man out? That is a tough question isn't it? |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 13:23:31 GMT -5
If you’re going to speak for me, at least get what I said correct. I said “what if they don’t?” Meaning, they don’t cut Minshew, which was a possibility. Also, you bringing up Williams has nothing to do with a backup quarterback being traded. The Jaguars got a draft pick for a player they no longer wanted. Also, the Eagles got a quarterback who can play in this league. Another, win.. You’re over analyzing a trade that isn’t even a blurb in the morning paper. It is exactly the same in premise. Why waste a draft pick or picks on a player that could be singed when he is a FA? ( this one in 3 days) That is what was being said about Williams. So explain how it is not the same? They drafted one QB they signed another . They are only keeping 2 . So who would be the odd man out? That is a tough question isn't it? I can’t speak for the Eagles, nor do I want too. However, the only logical reasoning for it was they like what they saw in Minshew. Wasn’t that the same explanation for Williams when we traded for him? You like a player, you go after him. No one would care the Eagles gave up a 6th for him. Most of this fan base was up in arms because we gave up a 3rd and a 5th for a underperforming player on a walk year. The Giants were forced into the corner when the season was over, and had to tag Williams or sign him. The Eagles have control over Minshew for two more years. |
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 13:25:46 GMT -5
lets not spin this out of context Lets get back to the point you made and I made. You said they won't cut a 6th round pick . What it sounds like is you saying the Jets would have just let him walk without tagging him . The Jags won't cut a 3rd string QB,because he is valuable. Yet they gave him up for a 6th round pick We give up few picks to get a top D-linemen to upgrade our D and might I add it did . Are you saying giving up a draft pick for a player who is likely to be cut in 4 days was a better deal than LW. Im going to clear up a little bit here. Minshew is not a 3rd string QB. He is only the 2nd string due to Trevor Lawrence being their new QB, who has a much much higher ceiling than Minshew. If you think Beathard is a better QB (I like him too be the way), then you are ignoring stats from their careers and tape of their play. Living down i the area, I hear the whispers. Minshew wanted out if he wasnt the starter week 1. The Jags named their #1 pick the week 1 starter despite an "eh" preseason, because of pressure. Minshew is a proven QB in this league over the past 2 years. Beathard has and 4 years in this league, and was a spot starter at best. In those spot starts, he was 2-10, 58% comp, 18 TDs to 13 INTs with 3469 yards. HE is what he is, a spot starter backup. Thats why he got the job. Minshew can still start for a handful of NFL teams right now, and depending on 2021, one might be us. He certainly will be fighting for the #1 spot in Philly this season, something he had no chance on winning in Jacksonville. For one if Minshew was their 2nd Qb they would not have paid Beathard more money them him or traded him 2 weeks before the season. It would have been done way before that. This is what they did IMO" see what we can get for him or cut him on Tuesday" . They were just lucky they found a sucker in Philly to take the bait on a player they could have singed next week. |
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