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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 13:29:20 GMT -5
It is exactly the same in premise. Why waste a draft pick or picks on a player that could be singed when he is a FA? ( this one in 3 days) That is what was being said about Williams. So explain how it is not the same? They drafted one QB they signed another . They are only keeping 2 . So who would be the odd man out? That is a tough question isn't it? I can’t speak for the Eagles, nor do I want too. However, the only logical reasoning for it was they like what they saw in Minshew. Wasn’t that the same explanation for Williams when we traded for him? You like a player, you go after him. No one would care the Eagles gave up a 6th for him. Most of this fan base was up in arms because we gave up a 3rd and a 5th for a underperforming player on a walk year. The Giants were forced into the corner when the season was over, and had to tag Williams or sign him. The Eagles have control over Minshew for two more years. Wow that is clear that you spelled it out. They have control over their 3rd string QB Whoopee.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 28, 2021 13:32:50 GMT -5
we should have pulled the trigger as a high quality back up
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 13:37:34 GMT -5
Im going to clear up a little bit here. Minshew is not a 3rd string QB. He is only the 2nd string due to Trevor Lawrence being their new QB, who has a much much higher ceiling than Minshew. If you think Beathard is a better QB (I like him too be the way), then you are ignoring stats from their careers and tape of their play. Living down i the area, I hear the whispers. Minshew wanted out if he wasnt the starter week 1. The Jags named their #1 pick the week 1 starter despite an "eh" preseason, because of pressure. Minshew is a proven QB in this league over the past 2 years. Beathard has and 4 years in this league, and was a spot starter at best. In those spot starts, he was 2-10, 58% comp, 18 TDs to 13 INTs with 3469 yards. HE is what he is, a spot starter backup. Thats why he got the job. Minshew can still start for a handful of NFL teams right now, and depending on 2021, one might be us. He certainly will be fighting for the #1 spot in Philly this season, something he had no chance on winning in Jacksonville. For one if Minshew was their 2nd Qb they would not have paid Beathard more money them him or traded him 2 weeks before the season. It would have been done way before that. This is what they did IMO" see what we can get for him or cut him on Tuesday" . They were just lucky they found a sucker in Philly to take the bait on a player they could have singed next week. Not true. Minshew is a much better QB than Beathard in every measurable aspect. If you got one I missed please let me know. Once the Jags got that #1 pick last year, Minshew was on the trade block. He is a quality QB. I'd probably put him 18-23 in QBs ranked in this league. They over paid Beathard IMO but he is the guy to try to teach Lawrence the ropes. Maybe he is a great teaching vet QB. He certainly won't start over Lawrence like Glennon won't start over DJ here. Trading Minshew takes the pressure off of Lawrence. It's his show. I would love to have Minshew on this team for a 6th rounder right now. IMO he would be pushing for the starting gig and keeping DJ on his toes.
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 28, 2021 13:39:48 GMT -5
I can’t speak for the Eagles, nor do I want too. However, the only logical reasoning for it was they like what they saw in Minshew. Wasn’t that the same explanation for Williams when we traded for him? You like a player, you go after him. No one would care the Eagles gave up a 6th for him. Most of this fan base was up in arms because we gave up a 3rd and a 5th for a underperforming player on a walk year. The Giants were forced into the corner when the season was over, and had to tag Williams or sign him. The Eagles have control over Minshew for two more years. Wow that is clear that you spelled it out. They have control over their 3rd string QB Whoopee. I spelled it out posts ago. Now, you finally get it? You clearly don’t like Minshew for whatever odd reason. The kid can play, and is under control for cheap. All the Leonard Williams and 3rd string quarterback nonsense is getting away from the point. The Jaguars got a draft pick, and the Eagles got a young quarterback. Jalen Hurts was drafted by a different regime, and Joe Flacco should be signing autographs for Ravens fans. Adding Minshew was a cheap addition to a questionable position.
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 13:40:29 GMT -5
For one if Minshew was their 2nd Qb they would not have paid Beathard more money them him or traded him 2 weeks before the season. It would have been done way before that. This is what they did IMO" see what we can get for him or cut him on Tuesday" . They were just lucky they found a sucker in Philly to take the bait on a player they could have singed next week. Not true. Minshew is a much better QB than Beathard in every measurable aspect. If you got one I missed please let me know. Once the Jags got that #1 pick last year, Minshew was on the trade block. He is a quality QB. I'd probably put him 18-23 in QBs ranked in this league. They over paid Beathard IMO but he is the guy to try to teach Lawrence the ropes. Maybe he is a great teaching vet QB. He certainly won't start over Lawrence like Glennon won't start over DJ here. Trading Minshew takes the pressure off of Lawrence. It's his show. I would love to have Minshew on this team for a 6th rounder right now. If he is better why trade him for a bag of basically nothing?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 14:01:43 GMT -5
Not true. Minshew is a much better QB than Beathard in every measurable aspect. If you got one I missed please let me know. Once the Jags got that #1 pick last year, Minshew was on the trade block. He is a quality QB. I'd probably put him 18-23 in QBs ranked in this league. They over paid Beathard IMO but he is the guy to try to teach Lawrence the ropes. Maybe he is a great teaching vet QB. He certainly won't start over Lawrence like Glennon won't start over DJ here. Trading Minshew takes the pressure off of Lawrence. It's his show. I would love to have Minshew on this team for a 6th rounder right now. If he is better why trade him for a bag of basically nothing? Because they have their guy in Lawrence. Everyone knows Beathard is not a starter. If Lawremce is struggling, the fans won't start chanting for CJs name. They might with Minshew though. They don't want the pressure on Lawrence with a good QB behind him. We did the same thing with Eli for years.
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 15:51:38 GMT -5
If he is better why trade him for a bag of basically nothing? Because they have their guy in Lawrence. Everyone knows Beathard is not a starter. If Lawremce is struggling, the fans won't start chanting for CJs name. They might with Minshew though. They don't want the pressure on Lawrence with a good QB behind him. We did the same thing with Eli for years. Come on brother we both know, you never downgrade your QB group purposeful. Did the 9ers with Montana and Young? In fact they traded for Young the same year Montana was awarded his first league MVP title. If the #1 feels the pressure from the guy behind him , How can he possibly handle the pressure on the field? The position is built on pressure. The bottom line is. You make sure your 1 and 2 are the best you have or can come up with.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 16:01:08 GMT -5
Because they have their guy in Lawrence. Everyone knows Beathard is not a starter. If Lawremce is struggling, the fans won't start chanting for CJs name. They might with Minshew though. They don't want the pressure on Lawrence with a good QB behind him. We did the same thing with Eli for years. Come on brother we both know, you never downgrade your QB group purposeful. Did the 9ers with Montana and Young? In fact they traded for Young the same year Montana was awarded his first league MVP title. If the #1 feels the pressure from the guy behind him , How can he possibly handle the pressure on the field? The position is built on pressure. The bottom line is. You make sure your 1 and 2 are the best you have or can come up with. Again, show me one measurable example where CJ Beathard is a better pro QB than Gardner Minshew. Its not even close IMO. If we drafted Lawrence in the 2021 draft, do you think we hang on to DJ if he losses out on the starter spot? Or do we trade him for some value to try to help out the team in the long run?
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 16:43:38 GMT -5
Come on brother we both know, you never downgrade your QB group purposeful. Did the 9ers with Montana and Young? In fact they traded for Young the same year Montana was awarded his first league MVP title. If the #1 feels the pressure from the guy behind him , How can he possibly handle the pressure on the field? The position is built on pressure. The bottom line is. You make sure your 1 and 2 are the best you have or can come up with. Again, show me one measurable example where CJ Beathard is a better pro QB than Gardner Minshew. Its not even close IMO. If we drafted Lawrence in the 2021 draft, do you think we hang on to DJ if he losses out on the starter spot? Or do we trade him for some value to try to help out the team in the long run? The Jags seen it differently . The truth is we did not draft a QB this past year. If the FO and coaching staff felt the need to do so . It would have happened.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 17:03:27 GMT -5
Again, show me one measurable example where CJ Beathard is a better pro QB than Gardner Minshew. Its not even close IMO. If we drafted Lawrence in the 2021 draft, do you think we hang on to DJ if he losses out on the starter spot? Or do we trade him for some value to try to help out the team in the long run? The Jags seen it differently . The truth is we did not draft a QB this past year. If the FO and coaching staff felt the need to do so . It would have happened. I explained to you how they saw it. I live down here. I hear it on the radio and on their Jag shows on TV. Minshew was gone as soon as they locked up that #1 pick. It was just official once they named Lawrence the starter. Has nothing to do with Beathard vs Minshew. Gardner is clearly the better QB of the 2.
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 17:11:42 GMT -5
The Jags seen it differently . The truth is we did not draft a QB this past year. If the FO and coaching staff felt the need to do so . It would have happened. I explained to you how they saw it. I live down here. I hear it on the radio and on their Jag shows on TV. Minshew was gone as soon as they locked up that #1 pick. It was just official once they named Lawrence the starter. Has nothing to do with Beathard vs Minshew. Gardner is clearly the better QB of two The Jags own website's depth chart has the both as #2 QB . Apparently The Jag's believed Beathard was the better of the two of them. He could not beat out Beathard . How can he possibly unseat Flacco or Hurtz? He had a better chance in JV to win the #2 spot than he does in Philly and he could not do that. jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/26/heres-the-jags-unofficial-depth-chart-for-their-third-preseason-game-vs-the-cowboys/
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 17:21:29 GMT -5
I explained to you how they saw it. I live down here. I hear it on the radio and on their Jag shows on TV. Minshew was gone as soon as they locked up that #1 pick. It was just official once they named Lawrence the starter. Has nothing to do with Beathard vs Minshew. Gardner is clearly the better QB of two The Jags own website's depth chart has the both as #2 QB . Apparently The Jag's believed Beathard was the better of the two of them. He could not beat out Beathard . How can he possibly unseat Flacco or Hurtz? He had a better chance in JV to win the #2 spot than he does in Philly and he could not do that. jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/26/heres-the-jags-unofficial-depth-chart-for-their-third-preseason-game-vs-the-cowboys/Yeah, they put Beathard there because Garnder was out the door. "OR". I could see a situation where Minshew plays quite a bit in Philly to be honest. He has played better than Hurts before. And Flacco is a dinosaur as of now. Not sure the contract they have with him but he could get cut now. Or traded. The Jags liked Minshew. They just love Lawrence.
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Post by TEM on Aug 28, 2021 17:25:47 GMT -5
Yeah, they put Beathard there because Garnder was out the door. "OR". I could see a situation where Minshew plays quite a bit in Philly to be honest. He has played better than Hurts before. And Flacco is a dinosaur as of now. Not sure the contract they have with him but he could get cut now. Or traded. The Jags liked Minshew. They just love Lawrence. If he makes the roster . I bet he does not suit for one game this season unless Hurtz or Flacco become injured.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 28, 2021 17:31:31 GMT -5
If he is better why trade him for a bag of basically nothing? Because they have their guy in Lawrence. Everyone knows Beathard is not a starter. If Lawremce is struggling, the fans won't start chanting for CJs name. They might with Minshew though. They don't want the pressure on Lawrence with a good QB behind him. We did the same thing with Eli for years. lol, that's way too rich. Even though I know you were the first person I ever knew on the Minshew train and you have always been so. Many didn't jump on until halfway through the season.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 28, 2021 18:12:49 GMT -5
Because they have their guy in Lawrence. Everyone knows Beathard is not a starter. If Lawremce is struggling, the fans won't start chanting for CJs name. They might with Minshew though. They don't want the pressure on Lawrence with a good QB behind him. We did the same thing with Eli for years. lol, that's way too rich. Even though I know you were the first person I ever knew on the Minshew train and you have always been so. Many didn't jump on until halfway through the season. I stick to my guns.... now, about Rosen.... eerrr... Minshews stats don't lie. I've seen him come through in clutch situations. I've seen his OL in shambles and him Houdini his way to a Tony Romo ish play. The kid has skills. I'm not saying he is a star or anything but he could start for 10-12 teams in this league.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 28, 2021 18:15:25 GMT -5
lol, that's way too rich. Even though I know you were the first person I ever knew on the Minshew train and you have always been so. Many didn't jump on until halfway through the season. I stick to my guns.... now, about Rosen.... eerrr... Minshews stats don't lie. I've seen him come through in clutch situations. I've seen his OL in shambles and him Houdini his way to a Tony Romo ish play. The kid has skills. I'm not saying he is a star or anything but he could start for 10-12 teams in this league. I trust your judgment on the kid more than anyone else I'm familiar with. You are close to his situation and were o his train from jump street.
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Post by Nite on Aug 28, 2021 18:28:50 GMT -5
Minshew is a good QB. He just wound up in a situation where his team drafted a franchise and he wants to start. He is a starter on most teams in the NFL most likely the Iggles
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Post by SG88 on Aug 28, 2021 21:03:12 GMT -5
Minshew is a good QB. He just wound up in a situation where his team drafted a franchise and he wants to start. He is a starter on most teams in the NFL most likely the Iggles I won't say most teams, but your point is more than valid. Minshew had success as a starter and it is clear to me that the Jags simply did him a favor for services rendered. He was never going to see the field for them.
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Post by imgrate on Aug 29, 2021 10:43:38 GMT -5
Im going to clear up a little bit here. Minshew is not a 3rd string QB. He is only the 2nd string due to Trevor Lawrence being their new QB, who has a much much higher ceiling than Minshew. If you think Beathard is a better QB (I like him too be the way), then you are ignoring stats from their careers and tape of their play. Living down i the area, I hear the whispers. Minshew wanted out if he wasnt the starter week 1. The Jags named their #1 pick the week 1 starter despite an "eh" preseason, because of pressure. Minshew is a proven QB in this league over the past 2 years. Beathard has and 4 years in this league, and was a spot starter at best. In those spot starts, he was 2-10, 58% comp, 18 TDs to 13 INTs with 3469 yards. HE is what he is, a spot starter backup. Thats why he got the job. Minshew can still start for a handful of NFL teams right now, and depending on 2021, one might be us. He certainly will be fighting for the #1 spot in Philly this season, something he had no chance on winning in Jacksonville. For one if Minshew was their 2nd Qb they would not have paid Beathard more money them him or traded him 2 weeks before the season. It would have been done way before that. This is what they did IMO" see what we can get for him or cut him on Tuesday" . They were just lucky they found a sucker in Philly to take the bait on a player they could have singed next week. Minshew would have gotten more on the FA market than he would have on his current deal (this is a key difference between Minshew and LW). To be fair, the other factor is that there's no guarantee that Minshew signs with the Eagles if he gets cut (this is a factor that is the same as the LW deal).
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Post by TCHOF on Aug 29, 2021 10:54:56 GMT -5
He was drafted in the sixth round and was traded for a conditional sixth round pick … doesn’t seem like the rest of the NFL sees him as a starter
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Post by TEM on Aug 29, 2021 10:54:58 GMT -5
For one if Minshew was their 2nd Qb they would not have paid Beathard more money them him or traded him 2 weeks before the season. It would have been done way before that. This is what they did IMO" see what we can get for him or cut him on Tuesday" . They were just lucky they found a sucker in Philly to take the bait on a player they could have singed next week. Minshew would have gotten more on the FA market than he would have on his current deal (this is a key difference between Minshew and LW). To be fair, the other factor is that there's no guarantee that Minshew signs with the Eagles if he gets cut (this is a factor that is the same as the LW deal). Yet some on the board believed we could have singed LW in the same manor. . You have no idea what LW would have gotten on the open market. He is a top of the heap D-linemen not a 3rd string QB. I was just using the logic that some on this board used with the LW trade. Backup QBs do not make too much money Flacco is at the high end of what a team pays . The entire group is statistically 9-10% of a teams cap space. (tops) What do you think 7-13 QB that just got ousted from his Job gets on a "new deal" ?
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Post by imgrate on Aug 29, 2021 11:02:27 GMT -5
Minshew would have gotten more on the FA market than he would have on his current deal (this is a key difference between Minshew and LW). To be fair, the other factor is that there's no guarantee that Minshew signs with the Eagles if he gets cut (this is a factor that is the same as the LW deal). Yet some on the board believed we could have singed LW in the same manor. He is a top of the heap D-linemen not a 3rd string QB. I was just using the logic that some on this board used with the LW trade. Backup QBs do not make too much money Flaccco is at the high end . You'd be surprised. Pretty much every backup QB thats not on a rookie deal gets good coin. CJ beatheard is getting 2.5mill this year.
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Post by devilsadvocate on Sept 1, 2021 10:59:36 GMT -5
How are we using a USA Today "Unofficial" depth chart as anything authoritative? Unofficial is in the freakin title!
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Post by lasion2 on Sept 2, 2021 9:36:09 GMT -5
live in philly. if this dude wins even one game he’ll be a hero here. fits the type for the fan base. i’ll be rooting for it, that type of qb controversy never works out for the team,
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 3, 2021 5:49:48 GMT -5
live in philly. if this dude wins even one game he’ll be a hero here. fits the type for the fan base. i’ll be rooting for it, that type of qb controversy never works out for the team, Didnt realize Philly was like Jacksonville. I felt like he was the perfect personality for Jacksonville. Tebow Mania was the only thing to top Minshew Mania. The base loved the guy.
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Post by TEM on Sept 12, 2021 11:51:23 GMT -5
Yeah, they put Beathard there because Garnder was out the door. "OR". I could see a situation where Minshew plays quite a bit in Philly to be honest. He has played better than Hurts before. And Flacco is a dinosaur as of now. Not sure the contract they have with him but he could get cut now. Or traded. The Jags liked Minshew. They just love Lawrence. If he makes the roster . I bet he does not suit for one game this season unless Hurtz or Flacco become injured. Inactive today .(healthy scratch) I would bet next week too, if there are no QB injuries in Philly
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 13, 2021 7:19:28 GMT -5
If he makes the roster . I bet he does not suit for one game this season unless Hurtz or Flacco become injured. Inactive today .(healthy scratch) I would bet next week too, if there are no QB injuries in Philly and Hurts played well
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Post by TEM on Sept 19, 2021 15:57:57 GMT -5
If he makes the roster . I bet he does not suit for one game this season unless Hurtz or Flacco become injured. Inactive today .(healthy scratch) I would bet next week too, if there are no QB injuries in Philly A healthy scratch again 2nd week in a row.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 19, 2021 17:34:01 GMT -5
Inactive today .(healthy scratch) I would bet next week too, if there are no QB injuries in Philly A healthy scratch again 2nd week in a row. It appears he will only see time if there's an injury. I still think he was a good QB with his time in Jaksonville. I'd still bring him in here. He would be our backup QB.
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Post by TEM on Sept 20, 2021 6:02:26 GMT -5
A healthy scratch again 2nd week in a row. It appears he will only see time if there's an injury. I still think he was a good QB with his time in Jaksonville. I'd still bring him in here. He would be our backup QB. If he was a good #2 he would be suiting up Philly and not have been traded from Jacksonville.
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