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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 10, 2021 10:53:34 GMT -5
The Giants let JPP go because he asked to go and wanted to go to Tampa because he lived down there. I know that doesn't sound as good as your conspiracy theories but oh well. After the July 4 incident, the relationship between JPP and the Giants was broken. People here are forgetting JPP's actions toward the Giants when he was in the hospital. Broken? The Giants resigned JPP for four more years after the fireworks incident. |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 10, 2021 11:04:22 GMT -5
After the July 4 incident, the relationship between JPP and the Giants was broken. People here are forgetting JPP's actions toward the Giants when he was in the hospital. The Giants still gave him a new contract after that. Then traded him the next year after firing Reese. JPP's behavior in the hospital didn't sit well with Mara. Maybe broken is the wrong word, the relationship was never the same? |
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 10, 2021 11:11:19 GMT -5
The Giants still gave him a new contract after that. Then traded him the next year after firing Reese. JPP's behavior in the hospital didn't sit well with Mara. Maybe broken is the wrong word, the relationship was never the same? After blowing up his hand and almost killing himself in his Ferrari JPP shared this tidbit of wisdom: "JPP added, "Fux a luxury car I got plenty of them. How can it be so luxury if you died in it and it. Live your best life TODAY!!!" Hope this isn't the case but wouldn't be surprised if JPP dies in an accident. I can see why Mara would be a little uneasy with him. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 10, 2021 11:17:19 GMT -5
We traded JPP for a third rounder. Who became BJ Hill, who became.. Billy Price? interesting decision Gettlemen. Maybe getting rid of all of Jerry's guys, for being Jerry's guys, wasn't the soundest logic This is kinda why the entire 2018 season was an exercise in half ass. They start to blow it up with this trade for draft assets. Then take Barkley and sign Solder to try to get Eli one more ring Then start the full scale nuke of the roster when they start 1-7. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 11:18:31 GMT -5
JPP did nothing for us after the firecracker and he blew out his back. I was glad to see him go.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 10, 2021 11:20:30 GMT -5
So Dallas passed too much last night? Did Tampa Bay also pass too much last night? Not so as Dallas got the lead by passing the ball near the end of the 4th quarter. out. Brady won the game at the end by throwing the ball. What was with all the empty sets for both teams last night? Honestly Tampa was able to run it well the limited times they did... Especially the 2nd half when their defense was on the field way too long they should have done what they did to KC 12 formation Shotgun,detach a TE into the slot....Dallas was playing deep.. They could have had 7 yards a pop had they decided this.. |
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Post by mj312 on Sept 10, 2021 11:21:38 GMT -5
Cairn wait to see an effective pass rush. I absolutely miss him ! I hated getting rid of him then and still do .. he was the last true pass rusher the giants drafted .. now we take people with “ upside “ only it never seems to be up for the giants .. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 10, 2021 11:59:47 GMT -5
It was tough to see him go, but it is what it is, and at the time he really wasn't the player he used to be. He is on a defense now where he isn't the only one you have to worry about...makes a big difference.
I will say I think most people remember him as a pass rusher, but he was really good against the run.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 10, 2021 12:06:03 GMT -5
We traded JPP for a third rounder. Who became BJ Hill, who became.. Billy Price? interesting decision Gettlemen. Maybe getting rid of all of Jerry's guys, for being Jerry's guys, wasn't the soundest logic Karl, let it go man! Let what go. Reality? Truth hurts dont it. |
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Post by thetruth on Sept 10, 2021 12:07:19 GMT -5
We traded JPP for a third rounder. Who became BJ Hill, who became.. Billy Price? interesting decision Gettlemen. Maybe getting rid of all of Jerry's guys, for being Jerry's guys, wasn't the soundest logic This is kinda why the entire 2018 season was an exercise in half ass. They start to blow it up with this trade for draft assets. Then take Barkley and sign Solder to try to get Eli one more ring Then start the full scale nuke of the roster when they start 1-7. 2018 is why we are where are. Browns, Colts were right there with us. They're in a much better place than us and that 2018 draft was critical Developing a winning team takes tact, our GM changes his "plan" every year |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 10, 2021 12:14:47 GMT -5
The Giants let JPP go because he asked to go and wanted to go to Tampa because he lived down there. I know that doesn't sound as good as your conspiracy theories but oh well. After the July 4 incident, the relationship between JPP and the Giants was broken. People here are forgetting JPP's actions toward the Giants when he was in the hospital. I never heard of that. What did he specificially do or say to the staff/FO? |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 10, 2021 12:46:34 GMT -5
I don’t like you’re tone, you seem a little down. Get ya some caffeine and wake up a bit. Debbie Downers like myself need a little delusional positivity in our life whether you believe it or not. I expect your next post to be “fired up”. you know the NYG fan in me wants them to improve and turn the corner starting Sunday. the unbiased football fan in me sees them losing by 12 points or more. Jones turning it over 3 times. (2 picks and fumble). I see the OL struggling big time and hope waning for Thomas etc. I see the D playing their asses off and looking at the O like WTF. There....now I feel better BTW....I will be fired up Sunday afternoon for sure I get ya man, you know I do. As I’ve said, this is one of our more winnable games but I definitely think Denver has the upper hand in all areas sans QB which may be neutral. Either way, I don’t see a blow out, I’m guessing a 7-10 point difference either way (most likely Denver). |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 10, 2021 12:53:49 GMT -5
As much as I hate to say it, cowboys have one of the best WR core in the league and their O line is top 5 when healthy, which they were last night. I hope some Giants fans watched the game and have accepted reality of where this team is at and it’s not pretty. 8 of their 11 draft picks were defense including Parsons. It would be hard to not improve their defense from last year. And there offense is as good as any in the league. Dallas with a top offense and an improved defense Washington with a top defense and an improved offense Giants with 2 improved units Philly not there yet Very brief and accurate assessment. |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 10, 2021 12:57:05 GMT -5
Thanks for elaborating, then please tell me what stud we have on our team that we let JPP go for? The Giants let JPP go because he asked to go and wanted to go to Tampa because he lived down there. I know that doesn't sound as good as your conspiracy theories but oh well. Oh, that makes perfect sense. My bad, I thought they were professionals and got paid good money to do their job. I want to sleep in my own bed tonight, I guess my boss will let me because I asked nicely. Not only that, it says something about JPP. He saw the writing on the wall before a lot of you homers did. JPP is winning Super Bowls while the Giants have had the worst combined record in the league over the past 3 years and some fans still think we’re trending up because we may win 8-9 games instead of 6. |
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Post by imgrate on Sept 10, 2021 13:05:09 GMT -5
We traded JPP for a third rounder. Who became BJ Hill, who became.. Billy Price? interesting decision Gettlemen. Maybe getting rid of all of Jerry's guys, for being Jerry's guys, wasn't the soundest logic There's also the cap space created from the trade and what/who it was allocated to. Jpp's cap hit in 2020 and 2021 was 12.8 million. So an optimistic person would say that trade helped us have enough cap space for Bradberry, while a negative person could pitch it as creating cap space for Saquon and DJ's increasing cap hits during those years. |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 10, 2021 13:21:01 GMT -5
BTW Collinsworth called JPP one of his favorite players in the NFL.
He also called me a brilliant practitioner in any field of my choosing.
Is it just me or is Collinsworth hard to listen to?
He also said that "Wirfs had the best rookie season of any player over the past decade."
Not a terrific rookie season, not a phenomenal rookie season, not an off the charts rookie season but "THE BEST rookie season of any player over the past decade." Geez..
Maybe I just listen too literally.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 10, 2021 13:31:26 GMT -5
BTW Collinsworth called JPP one of his favorite players in the NFL. He also called me a brilliant practitioner in any field of my choosing. Is it just me or is Collinsworth hard to listen to? He also said that "Wirfs had the best rookie season of any player over the past decade." Not a terrific rookie season, not a phenomenal rookie season, not an off the charts rookie season but "THE BEST rookie season of any player over the past decade." Geez.. Maybe I just listen too literally. Are you saying the NFL hype machine is overblown?. I must say, your take is the best take i've read in a decade. Nobody listens more literally than you so i'd say you're the most credible i've ever read. Just to read your posts are a privilege and should be on page one of a Harvard Law book and mentioned daily on a MIT website . . . i'm sounding like the NFL hype machine. Brutal |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 10, 2021 13:37:59 GMT -5
BTW Collinsworth called JPP one of his favorite players in the NFL. He also called me a brilliant practitioner in any field of my choosing. Is it just me or is Collinsworth hard to listen to? He also said that "Wirfs had the best rookie season of any player over the past decade." Not a terrific rookie season, not a phenomenal rookie season, not an off the charts rookie season but "THE BEST rookie season of any player over the past decade." Geez.. Maybe I just listen too literally. Are you saying the NFL hype machine is overblown?. I must say, your take is the best take i've read in a decade. Nobody listens more literally than you so i'd say you're the most credible i've ever read. Just to read your posts are a privilege and should be on page one of a Harvard Law book and mentioned daily on a MIT website . . . i'm sounding like the NFL hype machine. Brutal Exactly, his job description should not be to convince us that we are seeing NFL history being made on each and every play and that every player is the second coming of Jim Brown, Ronnie Lott and Peyton Manning while playing as a safety in the box... He seems like a delightful guy. I wouldn't mind Collinsworth as a neighbor. It just scratches my ear drums raw listening to him overplaying his commentary on each and every play. That game was good enough without him saying a word. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 10, 2021 13:46:13 GMT -5
I can’t imagine that. Because, diamond Dave would have traded Donald for a box of used condoms. Probably - meanwhile Reese is at fault too. ALWAYS wanting skill early. They searched for inside pass rushing DT reaches since is worked so well with Tuck who happened to be a DE. They tried Marvin Austin, Bromley and Hankins yet passed on Darnold smh. Everyone was on board with the Marvin Austin pick. He was one of few players that this fan base all approved of. He was getting Warren Sapp comparisons out of UNC. Instead, we got a sap of a player. |
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Post by vinnie on Sept 10, 2021 13:47:20 GMT -5
We traded JPP for a third rounder. Who became BJ Hill, who became.. Billy Price? interesting decision Gettlemen. Maybe getting rid of all of Jerry's guys, for being Jerry's guys, wasn't the soundest logic There's also the cap space created from the trade and what/who it was allocated to. Jpp's cap hit in 2020 and 2021 was 12.8 million. So an optimistic person would say that trade helped us have enough cap space for Bradberry, while a negative person could pitch it as creating cap space for Saquon and DJ's increasing cap hits during those years. A non biased sensible post, I think I’m lost. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 10, 2021 13:49:51 GMT -5
Does anyone miss Cedric Jones? No, didn’t think so.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 10, 2021 13:52:52 GMT -5
you know the NYG fan in me wants them to improve and turn the corner starting Sunday. the unbiased football fan in me sees them losing by 12 points or more. Jones turning it over 3 times. (2 picks and fumble). I see the OL struggling big time and hope waning for Thomas etc. I see the D playing their asses off and looking at the O like WTF. There....now I feel better BTW....I will be fired up Sunday afternoon for sure I get ya man, you know I do. As I’ve said, this is one of our more winnable games but I definitely think Denver has the upper hand in all areas sans QB which may be neutral. Either way, I don’t see a blow out, I’m guessing a 7-10 point difference either way (most likely Denver). I think Denver has the upper hand with the QB because he will be less mistake prone and he can def throw the ball well. The Denver OL. The rest is a push IMO. I have a feeling the NYGs STs will play a significant role regarding great field field position and have two big plays Either a run back or causing a turnover. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 10, 2021 13:54:53 GMT -5
BTW Collinsworth called JPP one of his favorite players in the NFL. He also called me a brilliant practitioner in any field of my choosing. Is it just me or is Collinsworth hard to listen to? He also said that "Wirfs had the best rookie season of any player over the past decade." Not a terrific rookie season, not a phenomenal rookie season, not an off the charts rookie season but "THE BEST rookie season of any player over the past decade." Geez.. Maybe I just listen too literally. Collinsworth tends to lavish praise way too thick at times for sure. He has been like that for a while. I dont mind listening to him but he can get over the top quickly on a player. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 10, 2021 13:57:59 GMT -5
Probably - meanwhile Reese is at fault too. ALWAYS wanting skill early. They searched for inside pass rushing DT reaches since is worked so well with Tuck who happened to be a DE. They tried Marvin Austin, Bromley and Hankins yet passed on Darnold smh. Everyone was on board with the Marvin Austin pick. He was one of few players that this fan base all approved of. He was getting Warren Sapp comparisons out of UNC. Instead, we got a sap of a player. I'm guilty. I wanted him too. Problem is, when the legit Aaron Donald was on the board, he passed. |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 10, 2021 13:58:22 GMT -5
Does anyone miss Cedric Jones? No, didn’t think so. Add Ohhhhdigggyzuwa to that list. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 10, 2021 14:02:21 GMT -5
Does anyone miss Cedric Jones? No, didn’t think so. Add Ohhhhdigggyzuwa to that list. Nothing worse than drafting a player who doesn’t have his heart in the game. What’s he doing now? Bouncing for hooters? |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 10, 2021 14:07:24 GMT -5
Everyone was on board with the Marvin Austin pick. He was one of few players that this fan base all approved of. He was getting Warren Sapp comparisons out of UNC. Instead, we got a sap of a player. I'm guilty. I wanted him too. Problem is, when the legit Aaron Donald was on the board, he passed. I can’t fault Reese on that one. Jerry is a lot of things, but he knew talent at skilled positions. Beckham was a beast for three years, then the injures started to hinder his game. It happens, we drafted Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. You would think the Giants knew something was up when they interviewed Jones and he was talking to the lamp. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 10, 2021 14:31:55 GMT -5
I'm guilty. I wanted him too. Problem is, when the legit Aaron Donald was on the board, he passed. I can’t fault Reese on that one. Jerry is a lot of things, but he knew talent at skilled positions. Beckham was a beast for three years, then the injures started to hinder his game. It happens, we drafted Cedric Jones over Ray Lewis. You would think the Giants knew something was up when they interviewed Jones and he was talking to the lamp. lol - hey over here. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 10, 2021 15:26:40 GMT -5
The problem with JPP was that he wanted top tier money. He is not top tier. He is a solid role player and plays the run well, but is not the same dominate pre fireworks JPP. He was a role player with us because there was no one else. He either could not or chose not to raise his game. I'm not surprised he is playing well again now that he's surrounded by talent. Only advanced stat guys believe football is played in a vacuum. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 10, 2021 15:32:02 GMT -5
Not a role player, not dominant, just a very good player. Yes, the Giants should have kept him or gotten more than a freaking 3rd round pick? Was that what they got for him? If so, garbage.... We traded him for BJ Hill and Kyle I can’t drive Lauletta. So in other words, we gave Tampa a Porsche, and in return we got a skateboard and a six pack of natural ice light. We showed him though, he got another ring, while we’re still shopping for ours. I always viewed that deal as a contract dump. Given his play on the team at the time and the roster then until very recently, I'm not MMQBing it. |
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