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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 19:50:30 GMT -5
Who watches all the film after these games? I don't have the time, but If I did one thing I'd be curious about is.. how many big plays are left on the field. Are big plays being left on the field bc jones isn't seeing it, or is it bc Garretts play calling and route concepts that bad? I feel its probably a combination, esp since they don't trust the oline and im not so sure they trust jones.
IF you do watch it let me know what you're seeing.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 13, 2021 19:58:57 GMT -5
What do you mean by big plays left on the field? IMO we won't really know if Garrett is at fault until at least a few games in. If we go through this season with this same vanilla offense it'll be on him. If we start to pick things up as the season progresses, see improvements each week then we can safely assume it was a rusty player issue. Time will tell who is to blame.
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 20:05:26 GMT -5
What do you mean by big plays left on the field? IMO we won't really know if Garrett is at fault until at least a few games in. If we go through this season with this same vanilla offense it'll be on him. If we start to pick things up as the season progresses, see improvements each week then we can safely assume it was a rusty player issue. Time will tell who is to blame. On TV we see only part of the field if that. What I mean is how many players are open that are missed? I keep hearing garrett gettling flack and rightfully so, but I also hear ppl pointing out Jones misses WRs and I don't doubt that's wrong almost all qbs will from time to time, but given his propensity to lock on a receiver I'm curious what and how much he's missing out there by not going through progressions. That's all. There's always more to what we see on the TV.. I want to know more about the stuff we're missing if anything. . |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 13, 2021 20:10:16 GMT -5
It wasn't as if Jones was locking onto someone and missing wide open receivers. I didn't see anyone open, did you?
You want an example of bad play calling? After the big play to Slayton, they bring Toney out... Guess who's getting the ball everyone? Toney gets stopped for a big loss, you think the Broncos saw that one coming? Totally killed that drive.
Or how about 4th and 17... Let's bring out the offense and try a hard count... Umm, you think they're trying to draw a penalty to get in FG range? The Broncos D sat there and laughed. We have tried that so many times and it never works. Embarrassing, is this amateur hour?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 20:10:48 GMT -5
Who watches all the film after these games? I don't have the time, but If I did one thing I'd be curious about is.. how many big plays are left on the field. Are big plays being left on the field bc jones isn't seeing it, or is it bc Garretts play calling and route concepts that bad? I feel its probably a combination, esp since they don't trust the oline and im not so sure they trust jones. IF you do watch it let me know what you're seeing. I might watch it again on coaches tape. I will say this they should be letting them use the whole playbook to learn who Jones really is if you have to baby him we need a new QB, He had time to throw they could have run deeper routes yesterday, the big issue yesterday also was they only had 20 plays in the first half Garrets offense at this time is not creative and stale . |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 13, 2021 20:12:48 GMT -5
What do you mean by big plays left on the field? IMO we won't really know if Garrett is at fault until at least a few games in. If we go through this season with this same vanilla offense it'll be on him. If we start to pick things up as the season progresses, see improvements each week then we can safely assume it was a rusty player issue. Time will tell who is to blame. what part of “Who watches all the film after these games? “ do you not understand? Can you see the safety through the TV? |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 20:14:18 GMT -5
It wasn't as if Jones was locking onto someone and missing wide open receivers. I didn't see anyone open, did you? You want an example of bad play calling? After the big play to Slayton, they bring Toney out... Guess who's getting the ball everyone? Toney gets stopped for a big loss, you think the Broncos saw that one coming? Totally killed that drive. Or how about 4th and 17... Let's bring out the offense and try a hard count... Umm, you think they're trying to draw a penalty to get in FG range? The Broncos D sat there and laughed. We have tried that so many times and it never works. Embarrassing, is this amateur hour? That's my question, no I did not, bc only part of the play is every shown and most of the routes are not in view, and yes, what I see from the tv is jones looking in one direction at one guy the majority of the time. I don't need examples of bad play calling I already know Garett isn't the best, but I suspect that's not the whole story. Amatuer hour is only seeing the issue one sided and think you know it all just by watching a live broadcast. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 20:14:56 GMT -5
Who watches all the film after these games? I don't have the time, but If I did one thing I'd be curious about is.. how many big plays are left on the field. Are big plays being left on the field bc jones isn't seeing it, or is it bc Garretts play calling and route concepts that bad? I feel its probably a combination, esp since they don't trust the oline and im not so sure they trust jones. IF you do watch it let me know what you're seeing. I might watch it again on coaches tape. I will say this they should be letting them use the whole playbook to learn who Jones really is if you have to baby him we need a new QB, He had time to throw they could have run deeper routes yesterday, the big issue yesterday also was they only had 20 plays in the first half Garrets offense at this time is not creative and stale . IF you do let me know what you're seeing. Would be curious to hear. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 13, 2021 20:15:09 GMT -5
What do you mean by big plays left on the field? IMO we won't really know if Garrett is at fault until at least a few games in. If we go through this season with this same vanilla offense it'll be on him. If we start to pick things up as the season progresses, see improvements each week then we can safely assume it was a rusty player issue. Time will tell who is to blame. what part of “Who watches all the film after these games? “ do you not understand? Can you see the safety through the TV? WTF are you talking about? Did I ask what he means by all the film? Are you really upset cause I responded to you in another thread so you followed me to this thread for some drivel? Just go ahead and block me since clearly I upset you and ruin your enjoyment of this site. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 13, 2021 20:17:14 GMT -5
Players coming off injuries not being ready to play.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 13, 2021 20:17:28 GMT -5
what part of “Who watches all the film after these games? “ do you not understand? Can you see the safety through the TV? WTF are you talking about? Did I ask what he means by all the film? Are you really upset cause I responded to you in another thread so you followed me to this thread for some drivel? Just go ahead and block me since clearly I upset you and ruin your enjoyment of this site. Try reading and understand. The Op liked my comment b/c you clearly don’t understand his first sentence. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 20:18:51 GMT -5
Players coming off injuries not being ready to play. yeah that def probably played a big part. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 20:19:12 GMT -5
what part of “Who watches all the film after these games? “ do you not understand? Can you see the safety through the TV? WTF are you talking about? Did I ask what he means by all the film? Are you really upset cause I responded to you in another thread so you followed me to this thread for some drivel? Just go ahead and block me since clearly I upset you and ruin your enjoyment of this site. It's why I blocked him and others like him Yet he will respond ita my fault like he always does but tbe history and pattern with him with other posters would say otherwise. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 13, 2021 20:19:33 GMT -5
Play calling at times was weak. Move Jones around.I don't have time to go over the whole thing but there was plenty of blame to go around. Players and coaches. It looked like a typical Giants loss watching the wheels fall off.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 13, 2021 20:19:53 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? Did I ask what he means by all the film? Are you really upset cause I responded to you in another thread so you followed me to this thread for some drivel? Just go ahead and block me since clearly I upset you and ruin your enjoyment of this site. Try reading and understand. The Op liked my comment b/c you clearly don’t understand his first sentence. Keep following me bud. See how many threads you can follow me to and respond. You're a good boy. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 20:20:04 GMT -5
Play calling at times was weak. Move Jones around.I don't have time to go over the whole thing but there was plenty of blame to go around. Players and coaches. It looked like a typical Giants loss watching the wheels fall off. true that! |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 13, 2021 20:20:57 GMT -5
Players coming off injuries not being ready to play. I agree. They seemed more rusty than bad IMO. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 20:21:44 GMT -5
Players coming off injuries not being ready to play. yeah that def probably played a big part. This And some really terrible play calling Every 1st and 10 an a gap run when there are way too many players in the shallow.zone to attempt to run it..and apparently I was wrong and Jones isn't given an audible option Then 2nd and 8 a 3 yard pass 3rd and 5..... Because Garret seems to want to play to convert manageable 3rd downs instead of trying to get chunk plays or scheme a big play Zero screens ... |
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Post by miss86 on Sept 13, 2021 20:21:46 GMT -5
How about using Penny once in a while? Was Penny even on the field? Rudolf looked AWEFUL.
Where was Kadon? Keep Rudolf in to block and send out Smith. The whole game plan didn't use
all our weapons. We should have kept Clements, the guy could get 4 yards consistently. So could Gallman.
I'm worried about our player evaluators.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 13, 2021 20:21:47 GMT -5
I might watch it again on coaches tape. I will say this they should be letting them use the whole playbook to learn who Jones really is if you have to baby him we need a new QB, He had time to throw they could have run deeper routes yesterday, the big issue yesterday also was they only had 20 plays in the first half Garrets offense at this time is not creative and stale . IF you do let me know what you're seeing. Would be curious to hear. Will do I hav sometime on my hands broken toe is shortening my work outs fro the time being so I may watch. Just still am a bit ticked i need to give it some time. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 13, 2021 20:23:57 GMT -5
We scored 7 points yesterday. I don’t count that garbage touchdown as time expired. That’s unacceptable.. Want to blame the play calling, go right ahead. Make sure to blame the execution while you’re at it. Because, if players can’t make the plays as they’re drawn up. You’re handcuffing your play calling. Also, when you have no chance of running the ball, it limits a lot of what you can do. Play action is thrown out the window, so is the read option. Two plays that are designed for the big play. Our scheme was simple, play not to lose. And when you do that, you lose. The Broncos played free, and made it look easy. They were prepared for this game, you would think we were the team that traveled 1,700 miles.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 13, 2021 20:24:16 GMT -5
What do you mean by big plays left on the field? IMO we won't really know if Garrett is at fault until at least a few games in. If we go through this season with this same vanilla offense it'll be on him. If we start to pick things up as the season progresses, see improvements each week then we can safely assume it was a rusty player issue. Time will tell who is to blame. On TV we see only part of the field if that. What I mean is how many players are open that are missed? I keep hearing garrett gettling flack and rightfully so, but I also hear ppl pointing out Jones misses WRs and I don't doubt that's wrong almost all qbs will from time to time, but given his propensity to lock on a receiver I'm curious what and how much he's missing out there by not going through progressions. That's all. There's always more to what we see on the TV.. I want to know more about the stuff we're missing if anything. . it’s all guess work watching left to right. It’s not even the endzone view which sees everything. Only thing you can see on TV if it’s single coverage if the CB is alone and you see the safety in the picture. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 13, 2021 20:25:31 GMT -5
Players coming off injuries not being ready to play. yeah that def probably played a big part. It was the entire problem. If the reciever does not practice. How can he possibly negotiate an exacting route? I will say it again. If it is not choreographed properly . The whole production crashes. |
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Post by Martin on Sept 13, 2021 20:26:52 GMT -5
How about using Penny once in a while? Was Penny even on the field? Rudolf looked AWEFUL. Where was Kadon? Keep Rudolf in to block and send out Smith. The whole game plan didn't use all our weapons. We should have kept Clements, the guy could get 4 yards consistently. So could Gallman. I'm worried about our player evaluators. They tried using Penny once but Jones threw a bad pass. |
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Post by allnygin on Sept 13, 2021 20:30:29 GMT -5
yeah that def probably played a big part. It was the entire problem. If the reciever does not practice. How can he possibly negotiate an exacting route? I will say it again. If it is not choreographed properly . The whole production crashes. Yep, should see a big improvement thursday. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 20:30:43 GMT -5
How about using Penny once in a while? Was Penny even on the field? Rudolf looked AWEFUL. Where was Kadon? Keep Rudolf in to block and send out Smith. The whole game plan didn't use all our weapons. We should have kept Clements, the guy could get 4 yards consistently. So could Gallman. I'm worried about our player evaluators. They tried using Penny once but Jones threw a bad pass. And a linebacker that would have decapitated him had that been an accurate pass.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 13, 2021 20:30:47 GMT -5
On TV we see only part of the field if that. What I mean is how many players are open that are missed? I keep hearing garrett gettling flack and rightfully so, but I also hear ppl pointing out Jones misses WRs and I don't doubt that's wrong almost all qbs will from time to time, but given his propensity to lock on a receiver I'm curious what and how much he's missing out there by not going through progressions. That's all. There's always more to what we see on the TV.. I want to know more about the stuff we're missing if anything. . Yeah fair enough. I get that the film is a different look, was more curious about the big plays left on the field comment. So you're basically wondering if there were open WRs down field not being seen by Jones. At this point I'd be happy with that because I haven't seen an open Giants WR since Odell left lol.
The bright side is it looks like Kenny can catch anything no matter how covered he is. I hope we try some deep stuff to him.
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Post by Martin on Sept 13, 2021 20:31:41 GMT -5
We scored 7 points yesterday. I don’t count that garbage touchdown as time expired. That’s unacceptable.. Want to blame the play calling, go right ahead. Make sure to blame the execution while you’re at it. Because, if players can’t make the plays as they’re drawn up. You’re handcuffing your play calling. Also, when you have no chance of running the ball, it limits a lot of what you can do. Play action is thrown out the window, so is the read option. Two plays that are designed for the big play. Our scheme was simple, play not to lose. And when you do that, you lose. The Broncos played free, and made it look easy. They were prepared for this game, you would think we were the team that traveled 1,700 miles. ALL true shit! And don't forget the broncos kept bring strong safety down to stop the run with a giants line that didn't block well to begin with. The Giants were handcuffed and foiled again. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 13, 2021 20:39:19 GMT -5
We scored 7 points yesterday. I don’t count that garbage touchdown as time expired. That’s unacceptable.. Want to blame the play calling, go right ahead. Make sure to blame the execution while you’re at it. Because, if players can’t make the plays as they’re drawn up. You’re handcuffing your play calling. Also, when you have no chance of running the ball, it limits a lot of what you can do. Play action is thrown out the window, so is the read option. Two plays that are designed for the big play. Our scheme was simple, play not to lose. And when you do that, you lose. The Broncos played free, and made it look easy. They were prepared for this game, you would think we were the team that traveled 1,700 miles. ALL true shit! And don't forget the broncos kept bring strong safety down to stop the run with a giants line that didn't block well to begin with. The Giants were handcuffed and foiled again. This is where the play calling comes into play. Trying to run Barkey inside when there was no where to run. Take what the defense gives you, don't try to force something that has no chance of success. Where was the pre snap motion? Where were the screens? Instead of trying to keep running Barkley inside, get him in space and give him a chance. |
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Post by miss86 on Sept 13, 2021 20:43:00 GMT -5
I watched the game at a bar. I didn't watch the game as I normally would because of people talking to me. And *surprise*
the Giants were playing on the smallest TV in the bar. It sucked watching the game there. I am in Delaware on vacation. They
were laughing at the Giants. Tuff baby tuff. I think Penny should be used more. Was Kaden used in the pass game? I recorded
the game and will suck it up a watch it when I get home. Thursday nite, well... I will still be at the beach.
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