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Post by bluebuddha on Sept 17, 2021 13:03:03 GMT -5
Golladay has a reason to be upset. Jones just doesn't throw the ball to him.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2021 13:10:40 GMT -5
Why pay Golladay all that money and not feature him on the offense? Why draft Toney in the first round and barely have him on the field? Questions that only the Giants can answer. Hard to understand how your 1st round draft pick gets 2 snaps in the first 2 games. Did he even play last night?
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 13:12:24 GMT -5
Another “not so good look” for Toney. Arguing with the coach publicly on the sideline DURING A GAME! Like Judge doesn’t have enough to think about then he gets some rookie diva chirping in his ear in a close game against a divisional rival. Then Toney posts some bs on Instagram?!
There where those of us who have questioned his actions in the past and, as usual, were told he was just a kid and we were making a big deal out nothing. Well this is more than nothing, can any of you start yelling at your boss during a meeting? This little brat is starting to become our worst fear, another failed 1st round pick. No, I’m not calling him a bust but his attitude could be a bigger issue than his performance on the field if he ever gets there.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 13:12:41 GMT -5
Why pay Golladay all that money and not feature him on the offense? Why draft Toney in the first round and barely have him on the field? Questions that only the Giants can answer. Hard to understand how your 1st round draft pick gets 2 snaps in the first 2 games. Did he even play last night? He's the 4th receiver and 5th option. I'm not going to freak out when other players aren't getting enough opportunites. He was going to be raw even if he played all camp. He’s obviously way behind.
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Post by bluebuddha on Sept 17, 2021 13:13:35 GMT -5
Why pay Golladay all that money and not feature him on the offense? Why draft Toney in the first round and barely have him on the field? Questions that only the Giants can answer. Toney situation is weird. Golladay just has to earn DJ trust. Not dropping passes would be a good start. On the flip side Jones need to start trusting Golladay more or the rift will only get bigger.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2021 13:33:34 GMT -5
Hard to understand how your 1st round draft pick gets 2 snaps in the first 2 games. Did he even play last night? He's the 4th receiver and 5th option. I'm not going to freak out when other players aren't getting enough opportunites. He was going to be raw even if he played all camp. He’s obviously way behind. I am. If you can't play him he shouldn't have been taken in the first round.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 13:42:59 GMT -5
He's the 4th receiver and 5th option. I'm not going to freak out when other players aren't getting enough opportunites. He was going to be raw even if he played all camp. He’s obviously way behind. I am. If you can't play him he shouldn't have been taken in the first round. Does he need significant playing time by week 2? I don't think it’s absolutely necessary. There is a depth hart here. We knew that when we took him. And there is a learning curve even for first rounders.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 17, 2021 15:18:09 GMT -5
Golladay has a reason to be upset. Jones just doesn't throw the ball to him.
I'm not sure what to make of that. I would think a QB's priority is to throw it away from the defense as opposed to locking in on a player who's covered.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 17, 2021 15:19:29 GMT -5
Why pay Golladay all that money and not feature him on the offense? Why draft Toney in the first round and barely have him on the field? Questions that only the Giants can answer. Hard to understand how your 1st round draft pick gets 2 snaps in the first 2 games. Did he even play last night?
I heard he was playin on Instagram.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 15:26:08 GMT -5
I am. If you can't play him he shouldn't have been taken in the first round. Does he need significant playing time by week 2? I don't think it’s absolutely necessary. There is a depth hart here. We knew that when we took him. And there is a learning curve even for first rounders. WR’s and spot taken in first round #5 Jamar Chase- 5 receptions, 100 yards 1 TD #6 Jaylen Waddle- 4 receptions, 61 yards 1 TD #10 Devonta Smith- 6 receptions, 71 yards, 1 TD #20 Kadarius Toney- 2 receptions, -2 yards #27 Rashod Bateman- on IR Rashod Bateman has better stats than Toney and he is on IR. Every other receiver in the first round is already making a significant difference for their team. Every year, the learning curve seems to be only applicable to Toney, why am I not surprised?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 15:32:45 GMT -5
Does he need significant playing time by week 2? I don't think it’s absolutely necessary. There is a depth hart here. We knew that when we took him. And there is a learning curve even for first rounders. WR’s and spot taken in first round #5 Jamar Chase- 5 receptions, 100 yards 1 TD #6 Jaylen Waddle- 4 receptions, 61 yards 1 TD #10 Devonta Smith- 6 receptions, 71 yards, 1 TD #20 Kadarius Toney- 2 receptions, -2 yards #27 Rashod Bateman- on IR Rashod Bateman has better stats than Toney and he is on IR. Every other receiver in the first round is already making a significant difference for their team. Every year, the learning curve seems to be only applicable to Toney, why am I not surprised? Those players were drafted before the Giants even picked, so I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.
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Post by Miked1958 on Sept 17, 2021 15:35:44 GMT -5
Way to treat your QB while he's having a career day. I don’t really like Jones but he was ****ing balling tonight. Meanwhile Golladay had two brutal drops. He just needs to STFU imagine Jones stat line if Golladay catches those 2 and Slayton caught the TD
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 15:38:05 GMT -5
Golladay has a reason to be upset. Jones just doesn't throw the ball to him. Did you watch the clip with the volume muted? Baldinger explains why Jones didn’t throw to him.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 17, 2021 15:40:07 GMT -5
Does he need significant playing time by week 2? I don't think it’s absolutely necessary. There is a depth hart here. We knew that when we took him. And there is a learning curve even for first rounders. WR’s and spot taken in first round #5 Jamar Chase- 5 receptions, 100 yards 1 TD #6 Jaylen Waddle- 4 receptions, 61 yards 1 TD #10 Devonta Smith- 6 receptions, 71 yards, 1 TD #20 Kadarius Toney- 2 receptions, -2 yards #27 Rashod Bateman- on IR Rashod Bateman has better stats than Toney and he is on IR. Every other receiver in the first round is already making a significant difference for their team. Every year, the learning curve seems to be only applicable to Toney, why am I not surprised?
I'd like to comment but all I can think of is Yung Joka jokes.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 16:01:58 GMT -5
WR’s and spot taken in first round #5 Jamar Chase- 5 receptions, 100 yards 1 TD #6 Jaylen Waddle- 4 receptions, 61 yards 1 TD #10 Devonta Smith- 6 receptions, 71 yards, 1 TD #20 Kadarius Toney- 2 receptions, -2 yards #27 Rashod Bateman- on IR Rashod Bateman has better stats than Toney and he is on IR. Every other receiver in the first round is already making a significant difference for their team. Every year, the learning curve seems to be only applicable to Toney, why am I not surprised? Those players were drafted before the Giants even picked, so I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. Did you forget what you wrote “there’s a learning curve even for first rounders”. They were all first rounders, you said nothing about where they were picked. Now if you want to go through Dave Gettlemans draft and compare position to position of how those players performed compared to others drafted later than them I would love to do that but I have a feeling you wouldn’t want to because it will just be more evidence of how bad Gettleman is.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2021 16:30:41 GMT -5
I gotta admit that I have zero confidence in Toney, so I have no problem he didn't touch the ball. I don't trust the kid to do the right thing. Think this is gonna be a learning experience don't know how he will take to being down the depth chart Shep is playing Lights out KG is gonna get more comfortable and EE and Barkely Plus Rudolph and Smith he needs to earn his snaps and QBs trust. He's going to have to earn his way up the depth chart, just like a regular player. Poor him.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2021 16:31:53 GMT -5
I gotta admit that I have zero confidence in Toney, so I have no problem he didn't touch the ball. I don't trust the kid to do the right thing. You and the coaching staff apparently.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2021 16:33:04 GMT -5
That ball hit both his hands if he needed another inch or to he needs to stretch out thats what he gets paid to do catch balls had a drop on a first down throw last week that was a drop. Slayton saw the ball was over thrown , he was at max speed and extension. Slayton, made it closer, it hit him on the fingers. That was a straight drop on Slayton.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2021 16:35:34 GMT -5
Golladay has a reason to be upset. Jones just doesn't throw the ball to him. How many off season sessions that Jones hosted did Golloday attend?
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 16:55:13 GMT -5
Those players were drafted before the Giants even picked, so I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. Did you forget what you wrote “there’s a learning curve even for first rounders”. They were all first rounders, you said nothing about where they were picked. Now if you want to go through Dave Gettlemans draft and compare position to position of how those players performed compared to others drafted later than them I would love to do that but I have a feeling you wouldn’t want to because it will just be more evidence of how bad Gettleman is. Who ever said Toney was in their same level of talent? Waddle, Chase and Smith were top 10 picks. They're also in situations where they could walk into starting roles and were healthy all summer. Chase the opportunity to work through his mistakes in preseason, not the regular season as Toney has to do. All of them will continue to learn and make mistakes, as rookies do. Making comparison after one week is just silly.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 17:13:48 GMT -5
Did you forget what you wrote “there’s a learning curve even for first rounders”. They were all first rounders, you said nothing about where they were picked. Now if you want to go through Dave Gettlemans draft and compare position to position of how those players performed compared to others drafted later than them I would love to do that but I have a feeling you wouldn’t want to because it will just be more evidence of how bad Gettleman is. Who ever said Toney was in their same level of talent? Waddle, Chase and Smith were top 10 picks. They're also in situations where they could walk into starting roles and were healthy all summer. Chase the opportunity to work through his mistakes in preseason, not the regular season as Toney has to do. All of them will continue to learn and make mistakes, as rookies do. Making comparison after one week is just silly. I never said anything about same level of talent, you’re moving the goal posts buddy. You said “there’s a learning curve even for first rounders” in reference to Toney not getting snaps. I gave you stats of all the other receivers drafted in the first round. Toney skipped OTA’s and there seems to be something more going on behind the scenes, as there always is with this guy. Before the Broncos game he said he was ready to go, so why isn’t he out there? What’s silly is the constant excuses for everyone on this team. At first it was they didn’t have a pre season, then they get the pre season but several starters don’t play and suddenly the pre season games are meaningless (makes me wonder how many dropped passes, missed blocks, offsides, etc would have happened had Judge played them more), then it was “wait until the first game”, then they lose and it was “they’re just knocking the rust off”, then we lose again and there’s more excuses. You know who didn’t make mistakes? The rookie of the week, Slater who caused Chase Young to have his worst game ever. You know who could have drafted him and who he would have replaced? The Giants and Solder. You know who the Giants drafted instead? A guy who has -2 yards and seems to be causing headaches. Great, we got an extra first round pick and that will probably have to be used on a RT that won’t be nearly as good as Slater and that’s assuming Jones doesn’t start sucking again which he has a tendency to do and in which case we may need both those first round picks for a QB then you will tell us how smart Gettleman is for getting that extra pick so he could draft a QB and replace the one he spent a 6th overall on. It’s never ending. You still never answered me on what would cause you to admit this tram sucks and Gettleman needs to go. Well, we are 0-2 yet again, 4 years later and still nothing from you. Luckily Atlanta is up next so we can pad our stats beating a team that is almost certainly worse than we are by a mile, if that’s possible. After that, it’s all downhill. Enjoy the next two weeks.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 17:17:43 GMT -5
Who ever said Toney was in their same level of talent? Waddle, Chase and Smith were top 10 picks. They're also in situations where they could walk into starting roles and were healthy all summer. Chase the opportunity to work through his mistakes in preseason, not the regular season as Toney has to do. All of them will continue to learn and make mistakes, as rookies do. Making comparison after one week is just silly. I never said anything about same level of talent, you’re moving the goal posts buddy. You said “there’s a learning curve even for first rounders” in reference to Toney not getting snaps. I gave you stats of all the other receivers drafted in the first round. Toney skipped OTA’s and there seems to be something more going on behind the scenes, as there always is with this guy. Before the Broncos game he said he was ready to go, so why isn’t he out there? What’s silly is the constant excuses for everyone on this team. At first it was they didn’t have a pre season, then they get the pre season but several starters don’t play and suddenly the pre season games are meaningless (makes me wonder how many dropped passes, missed blocks, offsides, etc would have happened had Judge played them more), then it was “wait until the first game”, then they lose and it was “they’re just knocking the rust off”, then we lose again and there’s more excuses. You know who didn’t make mistakes? The rookie of the week, Slater who caused Chase Young to have his worst game ever. You know who could have drafted him and who he would have replaced? The Giants and Solder. You know who the Giants drafted instead? A guy who has -2 yards and seems to be causing headaches.
Great, we got an extra first round pick and that will probably have to be used on a RT that won’t be nearly as good as Slater and that’s assuming Jones doesn’t start sucking again which he has a tendency to do and in which case we may need both those first round picks for a QB then you will tell us how smart Gettleman is for getting that extra pick so he could draft a QB and replace the one he spent a 6th overall on. It’s never ending. You still never answered me on what would cause you to admit this tram sucks and Gettleman needs to go. Well, we are 0-2 yet again, 4 years later and still nothing from you. Luckily Atlanta is up next so we can pad our stats beating a team that is almost certainly worse than we are by a mile, if that’s possible. After that, it’s all downhill. Enjoy the next two weeks. No, the Giants traded out and received what will surely be an extremely valuable first round pick in next year's draft. Please stop butchering the facts.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 17:51:07 GMT -5
I never said anything about same level of talent, you’re moving the goal posts buddy. You said “there’s a learning curve even for first rounders” in reference to Toney not getting snaps. I gave you stats of all the other receivers drafted in the first round. Toney skipped OTA’s and there seems to be something more going on behind the scenes, as there always is with this guy. Before the Broncos game he said he was ready to go, so why isn’t he out there? What’s silly is the constant excuses for everyone on this team. At first it was they didn’t have a pre season, then they get the pre season but several starters don’t play and suddenly the pre season games are meaningless (makes me wonder how many dropped passes, missed blocks, offsides, etc would have happened had Judge played them more), then it was “wait until the first game”, then they lose and it was “they’re just knocking the rust off”, then we lose again and there’s more excuses. You know who didn’t make mistakes? The rookie of the week, Slater who caused Chase Young to have his worst game ever. You know who could have drafted him and who he would have replaced? The Giants and Solder. You know who the Giants drafted instead? A guy who has -2 yards and seems to be causing headaches.
Great, we got an extra first round pick and that will probably have to be used on a RT that won’t be nearly as good as Slater and that’s assuming Jones doesn’t start sucking again which he has a tendency to do and in which case we may need both those first round picks for a QB then you will tell us how smart Gettleman is for getting that extra pick so he could draft a QB and replace the one he spent a 6th overall on. It’s never ending. You still never answered me on what would cause you to admit this tram sucks and Gettleman needs to go. Well, we are 0-2 yet again, 4 years later and still nothing from you. Luckily Atlanta is up next so we can pad our stats beating a team that is almost certainly worse than we are by a mile, if that’s possible. After that, it’s all downhill. Enjoy the next two weeks. No, the Giants traded out and received what will surely be an extremely valuable first round pick in next year's draft. Please stop butchering the facts. LOL, “surely be an extremely valuable first round pick”. You mean like Jones has been? What about Barkley? Lawrence? Baker? You got me, “surely” they’ll be valuable based on Gettlemans history, “surely” they’ll be worth more than the best O lineman in this years draft, not that we needed a RT or anything.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 17, 2021 18:25:53 GMT -5
Way to treat your QB while he's having a career day. It actually looks like he's screaming at Garrett, who is sitting down behind Glennon. He's yelling in that direction even before DJ sits down...
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2021 18:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by bluebuddha on Sept 17, 2021 18:32:59 GMT -5
Golladay has a reason to be upset. Jones just doesn't throw the ball to him. How many off season sessions that Jones hosted did Golloday attend? I agree and that's my point . I know everyone's on a high after Jones' performance but there is still chemistry issues. Jones is frustrated at Golladay because he dropped the passes and Golladay is frustrated because Jones doesn't look his way when he is open. They just need to get on the same page.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 17, 2021 18:36:39 GMT -5
The numbers do not lie.
They targeted Golladay 8 times. He had 3 catches. The only one targeted more was Shep.
They targeted Shep 10 times. Shep made 9 catches.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 17, 2021 19:09:55 GMT -5
Think this is gonna be a learning experience don't know how he will take to being down the depth chart Shep is playing Lights out KG is gonna get more comfortable and EE and Barkely Plus Rudolph and Smith he needs to earn his snaps and QBs trust. He's going to have to earn his way up the depth chart, just like a regular player. Poor him. Fork him stop whining and make some plays with the plays they give him.
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