Joe Brady for new Giants HC

[southerner]

The Giants should fire Judge, Garrett and Gettleman immediately, and begin their search for a new GM outside of the organization. The Giants should also approach Joe Brady for the HC job as soon as the NFL rules allow. This team is dead under this current regime and will NEVER become even a mediocre team under their direction.

Drastic times call for Drastic measures.

[TEM]

How about we throw Greg, Bobby and Peter into the mix too.

[OrangeGiant]

Sept 17, 2021 6:39:39 GMT -5 TEM said:

How about we throw Greg, Bobby and Peter into the mix too.

Don't forget Mike and Tiger.

[southerner]

Sept 17, 2021 6:39:39 GMT -5 TEM said:

How about we throw Greg, Bobby and Peter into the mix too.

As long as there is no Joe Judge in there.

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 6:43:32 GMT -5 southerner said:

Sept 17, 2021 6:39:39 GMT -5 TEM said:

How about we throw Greg, Bobby and Peter into the mix too.

As long as there is no Joe Judge in there.

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

[southerner]

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

Sept 17, 2021 6:43:32 GMT -5 southerner said:

As long as there is no Joe Judge in there.

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

I understand and in many cases you are right…….but when it is obvious a mistake has been made, then a quick change is necessary.

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 7:07:10 GMT -5 southerner said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

I understand and in many cases you are right…….but when it is obvious a mistake has been made, then a quick change is necessary.

The mistakes can be fixed. He can't make Slayton catch the ball. He has at least 4 drops in 2 games this season.

[vinnie]

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

Sept 17, 2021 6:43:32 GMT -5 southerner said:

As long as there is no Joe Judge in there.

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

You got to be kidding, you want to keep Gettleman around for another year? Especially with 2 1st round picks which will most likely be in the top 10? That sounds like a nightmare.

[myronguyton29]

Sept 17, 2021 6:35:48 GMT -5 southerner said:

The Giants should fire Judge, Garrett and Gettleman immediately, and begin their search for a new GM outside of the organization. The Giants should also approach Joe Brady for the HC job as soon as the NFL rules allow. This team is dead under this current regime and will NEVER become even a mediocre team under their direction.

Drastic times call for Drastic measures.

who is Joe Brady?
Just looked him up. Panther's OC? What's so special lol?

[spaceweather]

Sept 17, 2021 6:35:48 GMT -5 southerner said:

The Giants should fire Judge, Garrett and Gettleman immediately, and begin their search for a new GM outside of the organization. The Giants should also approach Joe Brady for the HC job as soon as the NFL rules allow. This team is dead under this current regime and will NEVER become even a mediocre team under their direction.

Drastic times call for Drastic measures.

All sounds good until you realize the owner is the problem so yeah not happening and zero reason for hope. 

[southerner]

Sept 17, 2021 7:19:20 GMT -5 vinnie said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

You got to be kidding, you want to keep Gettleman around for another year? Especially with 2 1st round picks which will most likely be in the top 10? That sounds like a nightmare.

You are right. Two great draft choices is a fantastic start for a new GM/HC team. It is obvious Gettleman/Judge will never succeed so it is time to move on NOW, with the 2022 draft providing the perfect launching point for the new rebuild…….this current one has failed.

[Fletch842]

2 games into the season is way to early to be calling for heads, but if the team continues to play undisciplined football, with no teeth, another full on house clearing may be needed. While things look really bad right now, there is still time to turn it around.

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 7:19:20 GMT -5 vinnie said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

You got to be kidding, you want to keep Gettleman around for another year? Especially with 2 1st round picks which will most likely be in the top 10? That sounds like a nightmare.

Statistically firing staff every few years does not work as a solution to fix problems. Jets, Lions , Philly, Texans don't win or have 30 to 40 years between wins . They never allow it to get to that " yeah that's what I talking about point" Any good Whisky and Wine maker knows .It has to age or you will just produce swill constantly. The NFL stats on this have proven this simple consent to be true. Stasticaly and visually. Stability and continuity within an organization is a winning methodology. As it is with Whiskey and Wine. It takes time for that to develop. When it is changed every few years. It never develops and never will.

[Rangers13]

Sept 17, 2021 7:19:20 GMT -5 vinnie said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

You got to be kidding, you want to keep Gettleman around for another year? Especially with 2 1st round picks which will most likely be in the top 10? That sounds like a nightmare.

yikes, no way if this season ends up sub .500 can Gettleman return imo.  Cannot trust him.  

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 7:24:31 GMT -5 southerner said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:19:20 GMT -5 vinnie said:

You got to be kidding, you want to keep Gettleman around for another year? Especially with 2 1st round picks which will most likely be in the top 10? That sounds like a nightmare.

You are right. Two great draft choices is a fantastic start for a new GM/HC team. It is obvious Gettleman/Judge will never succeed so it is time to move on NOW, with the 2022 draft providing the perfect launching point for the new rebuild…….this current one has failed.

You can have your view .But the NFL in this cap era has proven that mindset to be tumultuous journey to undertake,

[nick030567]

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

Sept 17, 2021 6:43:32 GMT -5 southerner said:

As long as there is no Joe Judge in there.

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

Yup, ever hear of the scapegoat ritual? It's what the owners have done to the coaches since Gilbride. And it's done to appease the fans so they don't stop coming to games.

People were bloodthirsty for Coughlin to be fired after years of let downs under him. So they sacrifice him and start anew. Then we were Bloodthirsty for Mac to be fired (understandably) and bloodthirsty for Pat to be fired (understandably)

We're frustrated, but Judge has a good head on his shoulders as a coach. He knows his shit, I think they're on the right path.

The offense played very good last night, with a make shift OL. Build on that for the next 10 days and go win at least 2-3 games in a row when they come back.

I'm sure Graham will make the necessary adjustments too and get the defense back on track.

[Rangers13]

Sept 17, 2021 7:35:43 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can have your view .But the NFL in this cap era has proven that mindset to be tumultuous journey to undertake,

you’re 100% correct imo yet Gettleman didn’t just arrive.  This mess is his.  He’s had three top 6 picks.  ANY of us could hit on those.  Look at the rest.  He was so desperate for talent he sacrificed the future cap and broke up the only cohesive group on the team when he let Tomlinson go.  The guy has 10 (TEN!!!) linebackers b/c they’re hoping one will emerge as a pass rusher.  They still have no idea who that will be.  So give Gettleman a top pick next year and what will he do?  Go get a pass rusher and ship out or cut several of these linebackers he already drafted?  What is he building?  Nothing imo.

The year is early while the Vegas win total sits at 7 despite adding $200 million in free agents added to all these high draft picks.  This journey with Gettleman should have already ended and no way i could make a case he can trusted going forward.  Heck, he actually can’t even afford to resign either Barkley or Jones unless this cap goes up.  He’ll have restructure almost every contract.  My gosh, the Giants had to restructure Williams before he even played a game under his new contract.  That’s insane

Cheers

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 8:00:16 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:35:43 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can have your view .But the NFL in this cap era has proven that mindset to be tumultuous journey to undertake,

you’re 100% correct imo yet Gettleman didn’t just arrive.  This mess is his.  He’s had three top 6 picks.  ANY of us could hit on those.  Look at the rest.  He was so desperate for talent he sacrificed the future cap and broke up the only cohesive group on the team when he let Tomlinson go.  The guy has 10 (TEN!!!) linebackers b/c they’re hoping one will emerge as a pass rusher.  They still have no idea who that will be.  So give Gettleman a top pick next year and what will he do?  Go get a pass rusher and ship out or cut several of these linebackers he already drafted?  What is he building?  Nothing imo.

The year is early while the Vegas win total sits at 7 despite adding $200 million in free agents added to all these high draft picks.  This journey with Gettleman should have already ended and no way i could make a case he can trusted going forward.  Heck, he actually can’t even afford to resign either Barkley or Jones unless this cap goes up.  He’ll have restructure almost every contract.  My gosh, the Giants had to restructure Williams before he even played a game under his new contract.  That’s insane

Cheers

You Don't have to believe it, It takes time . Every time the HC or GM is replaced. It resets and extends the timeframe it takes to form that continuity to develop..

[Rangers13]

Sept 17, 2021 8:12:55 GMT -5 TEM said:

Sept 17, 2021 8:00:16 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

you’re 100% correct imo yet Gettleman didn’t just arrive.  This mess is his.  He’s had three top 6 picks.  ANY of us could hit on those.  Look at the rest.  He was so desperate for talent he sacrificed the future cap and broke up the only cohesive group on the team when he let Tomlinson go.  The guy has 10 (TEN!!!) linebackers b/c they’re hoping one will emerge as a pass rusher.  They still have no idea who that will be.  So give Gettleman a top pick next year and what will he do?  Go get a pass rusher and ship out or cut several of these linebackers he already drafted?  What is he building?  Nothing imo.

The year is early while the Vegas win total sits at 7 despite adding $200 million in free agents added to all these high draft picks.  This journey with Gettleman should have already ended and no way i could make a case he can trusted going forward.  Heck, he actually can’t even afford to resign either Barkley or Jones unless this cap goes up.  He’ll have restructure almost every contract.  My gosh, the Giants had to restructure Williams before he even played a game under his new contract.  That’s insane

Cheers

You Don't have to believe it, It takes time . Every time the HC or GM is replaced. It resets and extends the timeframe it takes to form that continuity to develop..

What move makes you trust Gettleman going forward?  I don’t even understand the team he’s built.  Seems you’re either ignoring the post or don’t understand either what he did with the cap or why 10 linebackers are here and which, if any, will contribute to the pass rush. 

[TCHOF]

Sept 17, 2021 6:35:48 GMT -5 southerner said:

The Giants should fire Judge, Garrett and Gettleman immediately, and begin their search for a new GM outside of the organization. The Giants should also approach Joe Brady for the HC job as soon as the NFL rules allow. This team is dead under this current regime and will NEVER become even a mediocre team under their direction.

Drastic times call for Drastic measures.

If Mara fires Judge, he will probably hire Garrett as HC.

If he fires Gettleman, he will probably hire Abrams as GM.  

[cdngfan]

Just shuffling the deck chairs. Nothing is going to improve until ownership understands they’re part of the problem.

“B” leaders make “C” hiring decisions.

The one constant through 10+ years of bad football is ownership. There’s been too many stories that have come out on how the NFL has modernized football operations…….except the Giants. HCs have turned down running this team because of it.

It shows.

[Nite]

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

Sept 17, 2021 6:43:32 GMT -5 southerner said:

As long as there is no Joe Judge in there.

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

Keeping bad coaches in there will give you bad results too, also resulting in misery. Haven't won since Coughlin, gotta find the coaches that actually know how to successfully coach at the NFL level. However I will wait out this year and see what Judge does before I make my final opinion  lol. Not sure if there are any decent candidates available right now anyways.

Keeping Gettlemen? holy shit. His incompetance screams at you. If we make the playoffs I might change my mind but I wouldn't bet on it. Losing organizations keep incompetent personnel making excuses for them. The problem as others have alluded to is the person making the FO personnel decisions

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 8:22:09 GMT -5 Nite said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

Keeping bad coaches in there will give you bad results too, also resulting in misery. Haven't won since Coughlin, gotta find the coaches that actually know how to successfully coach at the NFL level. However I will wait out this year and see what Judge does before I make my final opinion  lol. Not sure if there are any decent candidates available right now anyways.

Keeping Gettlemen? holy shit. His incompetance screams at you. If we make the playoffs I might change my mind but I wouldn't bet on it. Losing organizations keep incompetent personnel making excuses for them. The problem as others have alluded to is the person making the FO personnel decisions

The NFL has proved time and time again with teams that so not win. The on constant is changing staff every few years. That has been a proven with statistics.

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 8:18:27 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Sept 17, 2021 8:12:55 GMT -5 TEM said:

You Don't have to believe it, It takes time . Every time the HC or GM is replaced. It resets and extends the timeframe it takes to form that continuity to develop..

What move makes you trust Gettleman going forward?  I don’t even understand the team he’s built.  Seems you’re either ignoring the post or don’t understand either what he did with the cap or why 10 linebackers are here and which, if any, will contribute to the pass rush. 

You do not have to believe why that stats are saying . That does not change what that data is showing in regards to continuity.

[snyder55]

Sept 17, 2021 7:19:20 GMT -5 vinnie said:

Sept 17, 2021 7:03:02 GMT -5 TEM said:

You can think what you want . Changing The HC every 2 years has never fixed any problems team's were having . He needs at least 2 more years. I am sick of the HC merry-go-round. This  combination with him and Dave needs to be allowed  to mature past what fans want.  The Owners have had the exact mindset you have since KG was fired . It has produced nothing but misery . What you are and keep suggesting has to change. Or nothing will.

You got to be kidding, you want to keep Gettleman around for another year? Especially with 2 1st round picks which will most likely be in the top 10? That sounds like a nightmare.

we have 2 1st round picks in next years draft and one of them is because of Gettleman, but we might want to change some of the people who make up our draft board..

[Nite]

Sept 17, 2021 8:30:29 GMT -5 TEM said:

Sept 17, 2021 8:22:09 GMT -5 Nite said:

Keeping bad coaches in there will give you bad results too, also resulting in misery. Haven't won since Coughlin, gotta find the coaches that actually know how to successfully coach at the NFL level. However I will wait out this year and see what Judge does before I make my final opinion  lol. Not sure if there are any decent candidates available right now anyways.

Keeping Gettlemen? holy shit. His incompetance screams at you. If we make the playoffs I might change my mind but I wouldn't bet on it. Losing organizations keep incompetent personnel making excuses for them. The problem as others have alluded to is the person making the FO personnel decisions

The NFL has probe time and time again with teams that so not win. The on constant is changing staff every few years. That has been a proven with statistics.

You know what Mark Twain said about statistics?  LoL

With statistics I can prove left is right, up is down and you and I are not really here. This is all a computer simulation. Reality is just another illusion. (get magnified just before lunch) 

[Rangers13]

Sept 17, 2021 8:32:36 GMT -5 TEM said:

Sept 17, 2021 8:18:27 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

What move makes you trust Gettleman going forward?  I don’t even understand the team he’s built.  Seems you’re either ignoring the post or don’t understand either what he did with the cap or why 10 linebackers are here and which, if any, will contribute to the pass rush. 

You do not have to believe why that stats are saying . That does not change what that data is showing in regards to continuity.

How is that continuity working for the DL the GM broke up?  You can keep the status quo in hopes this irons itself out yet there is no way you can keep that status quo with what this hierarchy did with the cap.  It’s impossible and in worse cap/roster shape than any team with this win/loss run rate in the NFL since Gettleman arrived.  

Respectfully yet objectively, the only solution you’re offering is wait and see and avoid the questions b/c you can’t find an answer either.

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 8:37:17 GMT -5 Nite said:

Sept 17, 2021 8:30:29 GMT -5 TEM said:

The NFL has probe time and time again with teams that so not win. The on constant is changing staff every few years. That has been a proven with statistics.

You know what Mark Twain said about statistics?  LoL

With statistics I can prove left is right, up is down and you and I are not really here. This is all a computer simulation. Reality is just another illusion. (get magnified just before lunch) 

 So he was an expert in math also?  It he was correct stats would never be used in pharmaceuticals, crop yield, traffic management, the cost of a unhealthy diet. Should I name  10,000 other applications they are applied to solve problems .  The patterns the stats unveil are undeniable. Have you ever taken a statistics class . I would say no or you would not quote an idiot as a means to make a point. You would have used "real science". 

[snyder55]

when your team starts losing to a backup QB its time for some serious changes..

[TEM]

Sept 17, 2021 8:43:29 GMT -5 Rangers13 said:

Sept 17, 2021 8:32:36 GMT -5 TEM said:

You do not have to believe why that stats are saying . That does not change what that data is showing in regards to continuity.

How is that continuity working for the DL the GM broke up?  You can keep the status quo in hopes this irons itself out yet there is no way you can keep that status quo with what this hierarchy did with the cap.  It’s impossible and in worse cap/roster shape than any team with this win/loss run rate in the NFL since Gettleman arrived.  

Respectfully yet objectively, the only solution you’re offering is wait and see and avoid the questions b/c you can’t find an answer either.

This stats are not made up .Teams that have stability win . NE, Pittsburgh GB. All are in the playoffs constantly and have multiple trophies in their case.  The Giants used to have that mindset when they were a winning franchise. When teams got away from that stability modle the wins go away. 

Just saying it is made up to make a point .Does not change the data.