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Post by southerner on Sept 17, 2021 8:53:02 GMT -5
when your team starts losing to a backup QB its time for some serious changes.. Exactly….they have now lost to TWO backup QBs.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 17, 2021 8:54:54 GMT -5
I’m sure after yesterday’s performance, Mara will give Judge an extension. I’m not for a revolving door at the head coaching position. However, the honeymoon is over. And it’s time to back your tough talk. The team is a reflection of your head coach. Young, and dumb.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 17, 2021 8:57:45 GMT -5
How is that continuity working for the DL the GM broke up? You can keep the status quo in hopes this irons itself out yet there is no way you can keep that status quo with what this hierarchy did with the cap. It’s impossible and in worse cap/roster shape than any team with this win/loss run rate in the NFL since Gettleman arrived. Respectfully yet objectively, the only solution you’re offering is wait and see and avoid the questions b/c you can’t find an answer either. This stats are not made us .Teams that have stability win . NE, Pittsburgh GB. All are in the playoffs constantly and have multiple trophies in their case. The Giants used to have that mindset when they were a winning franchise. When teams got away from that stability modle the wins go away. Just saying it is made up to make a point .Does not change the data. Green Bay has one SuperBowl in forever. They run their cap and draft poorly too. Cincy kept the status quo forever too, how did that work out? Jerry Jones has been pushing buttons forever in Dallas. Is that working? How about those stats? You like that data? Think Tampa and San Fran shouldn’t have made changes over the years? How are they doing with change? An endless list of companies make changes too and do just fine.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 9:00:16 GMT -5
You got to be kidding, you want to keep Gettleman around for another year? Especially with 2 1st round picks which will most likely be in the top 10? That sounds like a nightmare. Statistically firing staff every few years does not work as a solution to fix problems. Jets, Lions , Philly, Texans don't win or have 30 to 40 years between wins . They never allow it to get to that " yeah that's what I talking about point" Any good Whisky and Wine maker knows .It has to age or you will just produce swill constantly. The NFL stats on this have proven this simple consent to be true. Stasticaly and visually. Stability and continuity within an organization is a winning methodology. As it is with Whiskey and Wine. It takes time for that to develop. When it is changed every few years. It never develops and never will. Statistically, since Gettleman has taken over we’ve been the worst team in the league and have shown zero signs of improvement, just flashes. We get glimpses of a good team here and there, primarily against other horrendous teams, and people start making more excuses “if only….” . 4 years later and we’ll be lucky to match our 6 win season high under team Gettleman. That’s complete dog shit. He’s built this team completely back asswards and opposite of how he said he would, from the inside out. He built it from the outside in, starting with a RB with the #2 overall pick. Then, as usual, after this season “if we get a new DC” “if we get some edge rushers” “if we get a new RT”. It’s always more and more excuses.
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Post by Nite on Sept 17, 2021 9:05:00 GMT -5
You know what Mark Twain said about statistics? LoL With statistics I can prove left is right, up is down and you and I are not really here. This is all a computer simulation. Reality is just another illusion. (get magnified just before lunch) So he was an expert in mat also? It he was correct stats would never be used in pharmaceuticals, crop yield, traffic management, the cost of a unhealthy diet. Should I name 10,000 other applications they are applied to solve problems . The patterns the stats unveil are undeniable. Have you ever taken a statistics class . I would say no or you would not quote an idiot as a means to make a point. You would have used "real science". Damn you are touchy. No need to be this sensitive. I am not attacking you. Statistics help in many areas including football. But it has its limitations. Twain an idiot? Lol He had an insight into human nature that eludes most people today. Keeping incompetent people in the same positions doing the same things will result in the same poor results. I bet the stats will predict sub 500 results for this year, next year and the succeeding years with the same input parameters...
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 9:05:23 GMT -5
This stats are not made us .Teams that have stability win . NE, Pittsburgh GB. All are in the playoffs constantly and have multiple trophies in their case. The Giants used to have that mindset when they were a winning franchise. When teams got away from that stability modle the wins go away. Just saying it is made up to make a point .Does not change the data. Green Bay has one SuperBowl in forever. They run their cap and draft poorly too. Cincy kept the status quo forever too, how did that work out? Jerry Jones has been pushing buttons forever in Dallas. Is that working? How about those stats? You like that data? Think Tampa and San Fran shouldn’t have made changes over the years? How are they doing with change? An endless list of companies make changes too and do just fine. They are in the playoffs constantly. Here is actually the. Data It took Buffalo 22 years to replace Marv Levy 10 HCs in that time frame.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 9:09:22 GMT -5
So he was an expert in mat also? It he was correct stats would never be used in pharmaceuticals, crop yield, traffic management, the cost of a unhealthy diet. Should I name 10,000 other applications they are applied to solve problems . The patterns the stats unveil are undeniable. Have you ever taken a statistics class . I would say no or you would not quote an idiot as a means to make a point. You would have used "real science". Damn you are touchy. No need to be this sensitive. I am not attacking you. Statistics help in many areas including football. But it has its limitations. Twain an idiot? Lol He had an insight into human nature that eludes most people today. Keeping incompetent people in the same positions doing the same things will result in the same poor results. I bet the stats will predict sub 500 results for this year, next year and the succeeding years with the same input parameters... I am not touchy . I just fail to see the relevance and proved Mark Twain is an authority in what? The point you were making to disprove stats. If there as misleading as some of you are suggesting .Teams would not use them or have an analytics department.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 17, 2021 9:12:48 GMT -5
Green Bay has one SuperBowl in forever. They run their cap and draft poorly too. Cincy kept the status quo forever too, how did that work out? Jerry Jones has been pushing buttons forever in Dallas. Is that working? How about those stats? You like that data? Think Tampa and San Fran shouldn’t have made changes over the years? How are they doing with change? An endless list of companies make changes too and do just fine. They are in the playoffs constantly. Here is actually the. Data It took Buffalo 22 years to replace Marv Levy 10 HC in that time frame. Didn’t realize Dave Gettleman was the next coming of Marv Levy. Meanwhile, Green Bay has changed GM’s 3 times since 2004. If you’re happy with Gettleman and his work, i’m happy for you.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 9:13:16 GMT -5
Statistically firing staff every few years does not work as a solution to fix problems. Jets, Lions , Philly, Texans don't win or have 30 to 40 years between wins . They never allow it to get to that " yeah that's what I talking about point" Any good Whisky and Wine maker knows .It has to age or you will just produce swill constantly. The NFL stats on this have proven this simple consent to be true. Stasticaly and visually. Stability and continuity within an organization is a winning methodology. As it is with Whiskey and Wine. It takes time for that to develop. When it is changed every few years. It never develops and never will. Statistically, since Gettleman has taken over we’ve been the worst team in the league and have shown zero signs of improvement, just flashes. We get glimpses of a good team here and there, primarily against other horrendous teams, and people start making more excuses “if only….” . 4 years later and we’ll be lucky to match our 6 win season high under team Gettleman. That’s complete dog shit. He’s built this team completely back asswards and opposite of how he said he would, from the inside out. He built it from the outside in, starting with a RB with the #2 overall pick. Then, as usual, after this season “if we get a new DC” “if we get some edge rushers” “if we get a new RT”. It’s always more and more excuses. So you just tare it down and start again? As I said if the system is changed . The continuity is reset. Do you think replacing the system every few years is the correct approch? That is what some of you are suggesting.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 9:15:25 GMT -5
They are in the playoffs constantly. Here is actually the. Data It took Buffalo 22 years to replace Marv Levy 10 HC in that time frame. Didn’t realize Dave Gettleman was the next coming of Marv Levy. Meanwhile, Green Bay has changed GM’s 3 times since 2004. If you’re happy with Gettleman and his work, i’m happy for you. Let me ask you this . Why has the HC come out and stated he wants Dave as the GM .I know why do you? It has nothing to do with If Dave goes JJ goes.
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Post by Nite on Sept 17, 2021 9:22:37 GMT -5
Damn you are touchy. No need to be this sensitive. I am not attacking you. Statistics help in many areas including football. But it has its limitations. Twain an idiot? Lol He had an insight into human nature that eludes most people today. Keeping incompetent people in the same positions doing the same things will result in the same poor results. I bet the stats will predict sub 500 results for this year, next year and the succeeding years with the same input parameters... I am not touchy . I just fail to see the relevance and proved Mark Twain is an authority in what? The point you were making to disprove stats. If there as misleading as some of you are suggesting .Teams would not use them or have an analytics department. You miss my point. We have incompetent GM with an incompetent coaching staff who consistently make bad decisions and we as fans suffer for it. Stats are useful but has limitations. Over time it shows you the results of large data exhibited by outward trends but it can't give you an insight into the decision making process. I'm talking football here not crops, weather patterns etc. Have a good day TEM
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 9:26:45 GMT -5
I am not touchy . I just fail to see the relevance and proved Mark Twain is an authority in what? The point you were making to disprove stats. If there as misleading as some of you are suggesting .Teams would not use them or have an analytics department. You miss my point. We have incompetent GM with an incompetent coaching staff who consistently make bad decisions and we as fans suffer for it. Stats are useful but has limitations. Over time it shows you the results of large data exhibited by outward trends but it can't give you an insight into the decision making process. I'm talking football here not crops, weather patterns etc. Have a good day TEM It is not . It just needs time to grow. Instant gratification is an illusion. Every team that uses that modle fails or has to wait decades for it to work statistically.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 17, 2021 9:43:42 GMT -5
Damn you are touchy. No need to be this sensitive. I am not attacking you. Statistics help in many areas including football. But it has its limitations. Twain an idiot? Lol He had an insight into human nature that eludes most people today. Keeping incompetent people in the same positions doing the same things will result in the same poor results. I bet the stats will predict sub 500 results for this year, next year and the succeeding years with the same input parameters... I am not touchy . I just fail to see the relevance and proved Mark Twain is an authority in what? The point you were making to disprove stats. If there as misleading as some of you are suggesting .Teams would not use them or have an analytics department. Com’on, i know you’re holding your ground yet your data doesn’t work if you include Tampa, SF, Dallas and Cincy. You’re cherry picking Pittsburgh who, yeah, we can all aspire to be yet we need decades of success to get there. They never had a GM who made such large scale changes and lost with this regularity. Not to mention, it was John Mara who cut ties with Coughlin who he likely forced change on with his coaching staff, etc. Gosh, right the ship don’t sink with it.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 17, 2021 9:46:58 GMT -5
Didn’t realize Dave Gettleman was the next coming of Marv Levy. Meanwhile, Green Bay has changed GM’s 3 times since 2004. If you’re happy with Gettleman and his work, i’m happy for you. Let me ask you this . Why has the HC come out and stated he wants Dave as the GM .I know why do you? It has nothing to do with If Dave goes JJ goes. for job stability. If you wife asks you if she looks fat in a dress do you really need to think about the answer without assessing risk? Good lord
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Post by Nick6475 on Sept 17, 2021 10:03:19 GMT -5
How is that continuity working for the DL the GM broke up? You can keep the status quo in hopes this irons itself out yet there is no way you can keep that status quo with what this hierarchy did with the cap. It’s impossible and in worse cap/roster shape than any team with this win/loss run rate in the NFL since Gettleman arrived. Respectfully yet objectively, the only solution you’re offering is wait and see and avoid the questions b/c you can’t find an answer either. This stats are not made us .Teams that have stability win . NE, Pittsburgh GB. All are in the playoffs constantly and have multiple trophies in their case. The Giants used to have that mindset when they were a winning franchise. When teams got away from that stability modle the wins go away. Just saying it is made up to make a point .Does not change the data. You are implying from the data that stability increases winning, but you could also look at it as winning increases stability. If a team is winning they are less likely to make changes across all personnel, let alone head coaches and GMs.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 10:08:49 GMT -5
Statistically, since Gettleman has taken over we’ve been the worst team in the league and have shown zero signs of improvement, just flashes. We get glimpses of a good team here and there, primarily against other horrendous teams, and people start making more excuses “if only….” . 4 years later and we’ll be lucky to match our 6 win season high under team Gettleman. That’s complete dog shit. He’s built this team completely back asswards and opposite of how he said he would, from the inside out. He built it from the outside in, starting with a RB with the #2 overall pick. Then, as usual, after this season “if we get a new DC” “if we get some edge rushers” “if we get a new RT”. It’s always more and more excuses. So you just Gare it down and start again? As I said if the system is changed . The continuity is reset. Do you think replacing the system every few years is the correct approch? That is what some of you are suggesting. I don’t think tearing it down and restarting every couple of years is he right approach in MOST cases. Our case is uniquely different. Mara has hired a GM from within the organization yet again and who continues to make the same mistakes that have plagued this organization and team for years because they continue to do things like their predecessors and like they have always done. Ya know the whole definition of insanity thing, that’s what’s been going on here for years. When there’s clearly little to no improvement after 4 years, several high first round draft picks and maxing out the salary cap then there needs to be a change done correctly. That means hiring a GM from the outside (an absolute must) and giving him full control over the personnel and picking his own head coach. There may be some out there but I can’t think of one successful team that has hired a new GM and wouldn’t let him pick his own QB or HC. This has been a disaster from the get go. Then we can get into the Gettlemans malpractice as a GM. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a draft board. Can you imagine winning 6-7-8 games this year? FOUR years after he takes over and they still can’t field a .500 team, let alone a playoff competitor. Most people said they would give Gettleman 3 years to get to the playoffs, then it became 4 due to COVId, now there’s people like you that want to keep him indefinitely. The excuses keep coming and the bar gets lower and lower which is impressive considering we’re already the worst in the league.
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Post by southerner on Sept 17, 2021 10:11:28 GMT -5
The Steelers have great stability because they have great coaches and front office…..the Giants do NOT have stability because they have terrible coaches and the worst front office n the NFL.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 10:22:36 GMT -5
Let me ask you this . Why has the HC come out and stated he wants Dave as the GM .I know why do you? It has nothing to do with If Dave goes JJ goes. for job stability. If you wife asks you if she looks fat in a dress do you really need to think about the answer without assessing risk? Good lord Your example is a futile effort. I would follow the math. If she was in the store and trying on dresses .I would be blatantly honest. It would be statistically sound to do so. Try on another until we find one that works.. If it a situation where she was trying to find something to wear before going out for the evening and she a a few to chose from . I would tell her which one looks the best on her. Again statistically sound. Now if it is a last minute thing and she has to choose quickly on what to wear . And there s no time to negotiate the closet . I would air on the side of caution. The best statistical answer. I fail to see your point. Are you saying JJ will fall on Dave's sword if he is not in agreement on how the team is being built? I do not believe that. Here is logic because both owners the GM and HC have all come out publicly on their views on the direction of the team. They are all on the same page . Your dress analogy is a reach. Logic will show why. It was not a last minute thing with any of them . Not one of the owners place the GM on notice or even implied trying another . Just as my wife had the time in 2 situations to find a fitting dress. Ownership and the HC had time in the offseason to have a conversation on the GM ,if he was the proper fit. They had time to make the change just as my wife with her dress and my opinion on the dress, They they didn't make the change.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 10:25:38 GMT -5
So you just Gare it down and start again? As I said if the system is changed . The continuity is reset. Do you think replacing the system every few years is the correct approch? That is what some of you are suggesting. I don’t think tearing it down and restarting every couple of years is he right approach in MOST cases. Our case is uniquely different. Mara has hired a GM from within the organization yet again and who continues to make the same mistakes that have plagued this organization and team for years because they continue to do things like their predecessors and like they have always done. Ya know the whole definition of insanity thing, that’s what’s been going on here for years. When there’s clearly little to no improvement after 4 years, several high first round draft picks and maxing out the salary cap then there needs to be a change done correctly. That means hiring a GM from the outside (an absolute must) and giving him full control over the personnel and picking his own head coach. There may be some out there but I can’t think of one successful team that has hired a new GM and wouldn’t let him pick his own QB or HC. This has been a disaster from the get go. Then we can get into the Gettlemans malpractice as a GM. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a draft board. Can you imagine winning 6-7-8 games this year? FOUR years after he takes over and they still can’t field a .500 team, let alone a playoff competitor. Most people said they would give Gettleman 3 years to get to the playoffs, then it became 4 due to COVId, now there’s people like you that want to keep him indefinitely. The excuses keep coming and the bar gets lower and lower which is impressive considering we’re already the worst in the league. I do not see it that way. He built a team from scratch and was give 2 diffrent HCs and 2 diffrent systems in doing so. The reset button was hit twice in his 3 seasons. When a system is reset .It takes time for that system to work.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 10:51:14 GMT -5
I don’t think tearing it down and restarting every couple of years is he right approach in MOST cases. Our case is uniquely different. Mara has hired a GM from within the organization yet again and who continues to make the same mistakes that have plagued this organization and team for years because they continue to do things like their predecessors and like they have always done. Ya know the whole definition of insanity thing, that’s what’s been going on here for years. When there’s clearly little to no improvement after 4 years, several high first round draft picks and maxing out the salary cap then there needs to be a change done correctly. That means hiring a GM from the outside (an absolute must) and giving him full control over the personnel and picking his own head coach. There may be some out there but I can’t think of one successful team that has hired a new GM and wouldn’t let him pick his own QB or HC. This has been a disaster from the get go. Then we can get into the Gettlemans malpractice as a GM. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a draft board. Can you imagine winning 6-7-8 games this year? FOUR years after he takes over and they still can’t field a .500 team, let alone a playoff competitor. Most people said they would give Gettleman 3 years to get to the playoffs, then it became 4 due to COVId, now there’s people like you that want to keep him indefinitely. The excuses keep coming and the bar gets lower and lower which is impressive considering we’re already the worst in the league. I do not see it that way. He built a team from scratch and was give 2 diffrent HCs and 2 diffrent systems in doing so. The reset button was hit twice in his 3 seasons. When a system is reset .It takes time for that system to work. Was he at least partly responsible for hiring Shurmur or was that all Mara? Was he responsible for using the #2 overall pick on a RB? Was he responsible for drafting a QB with no O line, and 3 years later, there’s still a porous offensive line? He has been responsible for bad contract after bad contract. Do you place any responsibility on him? What has he done since he’s been the GM that has given you encouragement?
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 10:54:33 GMT -5
The Steelers have great stability because they have great coaches and front office…..the Giants do NOT have stability because they have terrible coaches and the worst front office n the NFL. Exactly. Unfortunately Mara and an ever shrinking group of fans don’t understand this concept. Mara would rather have stability and be mediocre to bad than take a chance with an outsider and do a complete overhaul to try and improve things because it would put him out of his comfort zone.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 17, 2021 10:56:07 GMT -5
I don’t think tearing it down and restarting every couple of years is he right approach in MOST cases. Our case is uniquely different. Mara has hired a GM from within the organization yet again and who continues to make the same mistakes that have plagued this organization and team for years because they continue to do things like their predecessors and like they have always done. Ya know the whole definition of insanity thing, that’s what’s been going on here for years. When there’s clearly little to no improvement after 4 years, several high first round draft picks and maxing out the salary cap then there needs to be a change done correctly. That means hiring a GM from the outside (an absolute must) and giving him full control over the personnel and picking his own head coach. There may be some out there but I can’t think of one successful team that has hired a new GM and wouldn’t let him pick his own QB or HC. This has been a disaster from the get go. Then we can get into the Gettlemans malpractice as a GM. He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a draft board. Can you imagine winning 6-7-8 games this year? FOUR years after he takes over and they still can’t field a .500 team, let alone a playoff competitor. Most people said they would give Gettleman 3 years to get to the playoffs, then it became 4 due to COVId, now there’s people like you that want to keep him indefinitely. The excuses keep coming and the bar gets lower and lower which is impressive considering we’re already the worst in the league. I do not see it that way. He built a team from scratch and was give 2 diffrent HCs and 2 diffrent systems in doing so. The reset button was hit twice in his 3 seasons. When a system is reset .It takes time for that system to work. This is why Judge,unless he completely loses the locker room like Mac did needs at least year 3.... Yes it's a bad optic these first 2 weeks but things can change. Unfortunately we all know who the next GM is going to be anyway ( the next Chris Mara sock puppet,this one is named Abrams )so moving on from Gettleman is basically going to be nothing more than rearranging the sock and underwear drawer and keeping the old hole filled items in there
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 11:08:53 GMT -5
I do not see it that way. He built a team from scratch and was give 2 diffrent HCs and 2 diffrent systems in doing so. The reset button was hit twice in his 3 seasons. When a system is reset .It takes time for that system to work. Was he at least partly responsible for hiring Shurmur or was that all Mara? Was he responsible for using the #2 overall pick on a RB? Was he responsible for drafting a QB with no O line, and 3 years later, there’s still a porous offensive line? He has been responsible for bad contract after bad contract. Do you place any responsibility on him? What has he done since he’s been the GM that has given you encouragement? My approch is only based on science and logic . The only meat I have in the stew is to be a fan or not to. So my approch is non-bias as it pertains decisions the ownership makes . Because what I think or believe is irrelevant. I can only use math to form quantitative reasoning . I have no say on who gets hired or fired. Who is picked, who is signs. I also find it at least for myself, irrelevent to find positive or negative antidotes after the fact. I do know this. Using the replace the staff every few years methodological approch to organizational dynamics does not work . Most times it will take decades to produce the desired results. The math does suggests to allow a system to develop. I only try to show the data. Other than that. Standing on my soapbox to a nonexistent audience is irrelevent futility that will never produce the coveted result. So I choose not to partake in pitchforking.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 17, 2021 11:12:41 GMT -5
Was he at least partly responsible for hiring Shurmur or was that all Mara? Was he responsible for using the #2 overall pick on a RB? Was he responsible for drafting a QB with no O line, and 3 years later, there’s still a porous offensive line? He has been responsible for bad contract after bad contract. Do you place any responsibility on him? What has he done since he’s been the GM that has given you encouragement? My approch is only based on science and logic . The only meat I have I have in the stew is to be a fan or not to. So my approch is non-bias as it pertains decisions the ownership makes . Because what I think or believe is irrelevant I can only use math to form quantitative reasoning . I have no say on who gets hired or fired. Who is picked, who is signs I also find it at least for myself, irrelevent to find positive or negative antidotes after the fact. I do know this. Using the replace the staff every few years methodological approch to organizational dynamics does not work . Most times it will take decades to produce the desired results. The math does suggests to allow a system to develop. I only try to show the data. Other than that. Standing on my soapbox to a nonexistent audience is irrelevent futility that will never produce the coveted result. So I choose not to partake in pitchforking. Lol, are you trying to make my head hurt? If so you succeeded. I suck at math and the terminology makes me want to vomit. Any time you want to win a debate, settle an argument, get me to shut up…now you know how, haha. Alrighty, think we’ve settled this. Moving on. I think we’ll destroy Atlanta, I’m just anxious to see what happens after that when the schedule gets hard.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 11:16:04 GMT -5
My approch is only based on science and logic . The only meat I have I have in the stew is to be a fan or not to. So my approch is non-bias as it pertains decisions the ownership makes . Because what I think or believe is irrelevant I can only use math to form quantitative reasoning . I have no say on who gets hired or fired. Who is picked, who is signs I also find it at least for myself, irrelevent to find positive or negative antidotes after the fact. I do know this. Using the replace the staff every few years methodological approch to organizational dynamics does not work . Most times it will take decades to produce the desired results. The math does suggests to allow a system to develop. I only try to show the data. Other than that. Standing on my soapbox to a nonexistent audience is irrelevent futility that will never produce the coveted result. So I choose not to partake in pitchforking. Lol, are you trying to make my head hurt? If so you succeeded. I suck at math and the terminology makes me want to vomit. Any time you want to win a debate, settle an argument, get me to shut up…now you know how, haha. Alrighty, think we’ve settled this. Moving on. I think we’ll destroy Atlanta, I’m just anxious to see what happens after that when the schedule gets hard. Me too my friend.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2021 11:05:04 GMT -5
I think we’ll destroy Atlanta, I’m just anxious to see what happens after that when the schedule gets hard. I think this is BS. The last thing you want to do is over look an opponent! Atlanta has NFL players on their team and can beat the Giants! I’m not trying to overlook them and if I was playing I would never overlook an opponent but as a fan, and after Philthy dissect them, I feel they will be our easiest opponent. Of course we’ll win other games throughout the season but I think this “should” be our easiest. With this crap team though, nothing would surprise me.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2021 11:08:12 GMT -5
when your team starts losing to a backup QB its time for some serious changes.. Giants lost to a back QB and won a super bowl . As far as players and coaches, there are very few, if any, comparisons between that team and this team but keep comparing apples to oranges. That would be like saying “we won with our running game 20 years ago, so we can do it today”. A very Gettleman way of thinking and you see where that’s got us.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 18, 2021 11:46:28 GMT -5
As far as players and coaches, there are very few, if any, comparisons between that team and this team but keep comparing apples to oranges. That would be like saying “we won with our running game 20 years ago, so we can do it today”. A very Gettleman way of thinking and you see where that’s got us. Ahhh I see so only facts that are alowed are ones you approve of, good to know. Then enlighten me oh Wise One. Tell me what facts I’m missing out on with regards to direct comparisons between the two teams.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 18, 2021 15:03:27 GMT -5
when your team starts losing to a backup QB its time for some serious changes.. Giants lost to a back QB and won a super bowl . its still early yet but do you see any chances of that happening this season..
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 18, 2021 15:15:09 GMT -5
its still early yet but do you see any chances of that happening this season.. I thought at best they might make the playoffs but that would be it and they still might I'm not giving up on them like others are. Red, I'm not giving up on the team yet but I must tell you I'm just disappointed at the slow start...
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