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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 13:25:51 GMT -5
Some fans post as if the Giants lost good linemen to IR. When were these guys solid?
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Post by njsean on Sept 23, 2021 13:30:36 GMT -5
Are we talking QBs, HBs or what now? Despite injuries, still donât blame the oline for our loss. Out for season injuries do suck, though. Attrition may start to erode that as it would for any team. We all want the team to win, but sometimes we catch a bad beat despite whatever talent was assembled. We did last week. Hopefully not so much next game. Mr Hog Mollie Gettleman has drafted only three OL over four drafts (14 picks) within three Rounds. Â Clutch? Youâre definitely all in on this oline topic, which is weird. Jones is getting time. Lack of edge pressure seems like an easier target at the moment. And yep. Clutch. Iâm glad those boys are on the team. Whatever our record will be, it would have been worse without them.
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Post by njsean on Sept 23, 2021 13:32:30 GMT -5
Some fans post as if the Giants lost good linemen to IR. When were these guys solid? Oline was looking good compared to fears during the summer. DG deserves credit. Awesome job there.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 13:33:25 GMT -5
Here's what was available (click the thumbnail) and you have to throw out the WR's who re-signed with their teams. You look at this and really can you actually debate that Gettleman had a choice? One name that stands out as someone who was also being considered is Curtis Samuel. He did not play last week for Washington due to a nagging groin injury that has been a problem for months while the supposed walking injury Golladay did play for the Giants. Also Golladay and Corey Davis (another guy that was being considered) have basically identical stats in 2 games thus far but we have Golladay for one year longer than the Jets have Davis. Yes the money is more and rightfully so as Golladay has had the better career so far and did so on a worse team than Davis had been on. View AttachmentAgain, just like Solder, do you think because a WR is available means you HAVE to overpay and/or take an injury risk? If Mark Sanchez was the best back up QB available, would you condone paying him well above his worth because he was the only one? Thatâs a poor business decision and one that can easily lead to problems (see Solder). Cannot really analogize like that. Solder was nowhere near at the level of Golladay relative to his position at the time the Giants signed Solder. Golladay is way better than Solder relative to his position at the time of this past offseason's signing injuries and all!
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 13:44:38 GMT -5
Some fans post as if the Giants lost good linemen to IR. When were these guys solid? Oline was looking good compared to fears during the summer. DG deserves credit. Awesome job there. i get it - youâre a big Gettleman fan. 15-35 and the bottom of the NFL with a putrid OL is an awesome job.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 13:46:35 GMT -5
Mr Hog Mollie Gettleman has drafted only three OL over four drafts (14 picks) within three Rounds. Clutch? Youâre definitely all in on this oline topic, which is weird. Jones is getting time. Lack of edge pressure seems like an easier target at the moment. And yep. Clutch. Iâm glad those boys are on the team. Whatever our record will be, it would have been worse without them. itâs weird to be posting about the OL? Ah, yeah. Team is 0-2 and would be a different 0-2 with the perceived starters.
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Post by njsean on Sept 23, 2021 13:48:33 GMT -5
Oline was looking good compared to fears during the summer. DG deserves credit. Awesome job there. i get it - youâre a big Gettleman fan. Â 15-35 and the bottom of the NFL with a putrid OL is an awesome job. Â đ k, man. Go G-men.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 13:48:53 GMT -5
The next line was completely irrelevant so it obviously it wasn't worth considering. it was relevant to me and the message which is why i posted it. You chiming in to fill a void is whatâs irrelevant. Unfortunately, relevant to you isn't relevant to the board. Although it is quite the broad and infantile criteria for a message board. That said, one can argue that even that desperate attempt at rationalizing a criteria doesn't stretch far enough to make pertinent a crammed in non-sequitur about a draft pick from three years ago. Like all here, I'll continue to feel free to chime in as I please.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 13:49:42 GMT -5
Lol, traded for O line depth? Iâve never seen a GM get so much praise for attempting to fix his own mistakes. If DJ ends up being a bust, some of you will give DG credit for spending two 1sts on a QB next year and say he did a great job by trading down. Unreal. You can see my example above about KG. Find holes and try to fillâem. Imagine if he hadnât traded. He was on top of it. Dude did get two firsts for next year. Taking a QB early is always a crapshoot. Failure rate is pretty high. Man covered his bases if Jones doesnât continue to play well. Thatâs next level GMing. Aleigjt, now I know youâre being sarcastic or trolling. Funny stuff right there.
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Post by njsean on Sept 23, 2021 13:50:11 GMT -5
Youâre definitely all in on this oline topic, which is weird. Jones is getting time. Lack of edge pressure seems like an easier target at the moment. And yep. Clutch. Iâm glad those boys are on the team. Whatever our record will be, it would have been worse without them. itâs weird to be posting about the OL? Â Ah, yeah. Â Team is 0-2 and would be a different 0-2 with the perceived starters. Â Cool yeah, guy. The loss was the o-line. 100%. Yikes.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 13:51:03 GMT -5
it was relevant to me and the message which is why i posted it. You chiming in to fill a void is whatâs irrelevant. Unfortunately, relevant to you isn't relevant to the board. Although it is quite the broad and infantile criteria for a message board. That said, one can argue that even that desperate attempt at rationalizing a criteria doesn't stretch far enough to make pertinent a crammed in non-sequitur about a draft pick from three years ago. Like all here, I'll continue to feel free to chime in as I please. . . . like a weed which keeps regrowing. Ty
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 13:51:42 GMT -5
it was relevant to me and the message which is why i posted it. You chiming in to fill a void is whatâs irrelevant. To be fair, saying it was relevant to you and the message (Iâm assuming you meant mine which you were quoting) is a bit off base because I never mentioned HB at all. So yeah. Not sure where that came from. As I said, it's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. But I guess it was felt that you needed to be reminded that Gettelman drafted a RB early in the first round of 2018.
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Post by njsean on Sept 23, 2021 13:52:37 GMT -5
Find holes and try to fillâem. Imagine if he hadnât traded. He was on top of it. Dude did get two firsts for next year. Taking a QB early is always a crapshoot. Failure rate is pretty high. Man covered his bases if Jones doesnât continue to play well. Thatâs next level GMing. Aleigjt, now I know youâre being sarcastic or trolling. Funny stuff right there. Honestly, I just donât see the guys you complain about posting how awesome DG is. All I see are guys saying the team isnât complete shit, and you take it as we want him here for the next ten years. Ha
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 13:53:01 GMT -5
Lol, traded for O line depth? Iâve never seen a GM get so much praise for attempting to fix his own mistakes. If DJ ends up being a bust, some of you will give DG credit for spending two 1sts on a QB next year and say he did a great job by trading down. Unreal. You can see my example above about KG. Losing two starters with injuries by the second week of the season is the GM's fault? No but itâs something every team should be prepared for. Dallas just lost 2 starters on their D line and managed alright. Every team has starters missing, itâs not a valid excuse. Part of being a GM is having depth. Please donât act like we had some All Proâs go down either, Lemieux wouldnât make most teams practice squads and Gates was average.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 23, 2021 13:55:14 GMT -5
Losing two starters with injuries by the second week of the season is the GM's fault? No but itâs something every team should be prepared for. Dallas just lost 2 starters on their D line and managed alright. Every team has starters missing, itâs not a valid excuse. Part of being a GM is having depth. Please donât act like we had some All Proâs go down either, Lemieux wouldnât make most teams practice squads and Gates was average. So have we, if you noticed. Gates was much more than average.
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Post by njsean on Sept 23, 2021 13:56:18 GMT -5
To be fair, saying it was relevant to you and the message (Iâm assuming you meant mine which you were quoting) is a bit off base because I never mentioned HB at all. So yeah. Not sure where that came from. As I said, it's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. Â But I guess it was felt that you needed to be reminded that Gettelman drafted a RB early in the first round of 2018. Â Â Are you suggesting that there are those that may have, in fact, been critical of that selection?
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 13:59:06 GMT -5
This team has the potential to one of the better 0-2 Giants teams weâve had compared to the 8th other times since 2013 the team has started 0-2.
Not that the OL has been an issue
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Post by Martin on Sept 23, 2021 14:03:52 GMT -5
No but itâs something every team should be prepared for. Dallas just lost 2 starters on their D line and managed alright. Every team has starters missing, itâs not a valid excuse. Part of being a GM is having depth. Please donât act like we had some All Proâs go down either, Lemieux wouldnât make most teams practice squads and Gates was average. So have we, if you noticed. Gates was much more than average. True!
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:04:47 GMT -5
Again, just like Solder, do you think because a WR is available means you HAVE to overpay and/or take an injury risk? If Mark Sanchez was the best back up QB available, would you condone paying him well above his worth because he was the only one? Thatâs a poor business decision and one that can easily lead to problems (see Solder). Cannot really analogize like that. Solder was nowhere near at the level of Golladay relative to his position at the time the Giants signed Solder. Golladay is way better than Solder relative to his position at the time of this past offseason's signing injuries and all! Not the point, the point is just because either was the âonlyâ player available doesnât mean they were worth over paying with an injury risk in Golladays case
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:06:45 GMT -5
No but itâs something every team should be prepared for. Dallas just lost 2 starters on their D line and managed alright. Every team has starters missing, itâs not a valid excuse. Part of being a GM is having depth. Please donât act like we had some All Proâs go down either, Lemieux wouldnât make most teams practice squads and Gates was average. So have we, if you noticed. Gates was much more than average. Yeah, compared to this O line heâs more than average, not the rest of the NFL âif you noticedâ. Then again, you also thought Price had a good game and we finally found our answer at center based on how he played against Washington, so Iâm not surprised.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 23, 2021 14:09:15 GMT -5
Again, just like Solder, do you think because a WR is available means you HAVE to overpay and/or take an injury risk? If Mark Sanchez was the best back up QB available, would you condone paying him well above his worth because he was the only one? Thatâs a poor business decision and one that can easily lead to problems (see Solder). Cannot really analogize like that. Solder was nowhere near at the level of Golladay relative to his position at the time the Giants signed Solder. Golladay is way better than Solder relative to his position at the time of this past offseason's signing injuries and all! Giants were under the gun they had 2 OLs under contract and 0 tackles Solder was the best one in freeagncy, this what happens when you draft like crap for years.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:13:02 GMT -5
No but itâs something every team should be prepared for. Dallas just lost 2 starters on their D line and managed alright. Every team has starters missing, itâs not a valid excuse. Part of being a GM is having depth. Please donât act like we had some All Proâs go down either, Lemieux wouldnât make most teams practice squads and Gates was average. So have we, if you noticed. Gates was much more than average. Since you donât like PFF, I threw in an extra link. If Gates is âmuch more than averageâ find me one, just one, list that has him ranked in the top 10. Not happening Mike, donât waste your time and either use the classic âI donât need an article to tell me what I see on the fieldâ or just admit you have no idea what youâre talking about when it comes to O linemen. www.pff.com/news/nfl-center-rankings-2021-nfl-seasonwww.sportskeeda.com/nfl/ranking-32-centers-going-2021-nfl-season
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 23, 2021 14:14:12 GMT -5
So have we, if you noticed. Gates was much more than average. Yeah, compared to this O line heâs more than average, not the rest of the NFL âif you noticedâ. Then again, you also thought Price had a good game and we finally found our answer at center based on how he played against Washington, so Iâm not surprised. What does anyone expect these guys have been 10 days and Bredeson 2 weeks. Not sure if any of them area sure thing of anything but solid depth thats what they were signed for and held up against a good front the first time they were called upon. Hopefully with time in the system and together they improve.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:14:54 GMT -5
Cannot really analogize like that. Solder was nowhere near at the level of Golladay relative to his position at the time the Giants signed Solder. Golladay is way better than Solder relative to his position at the time of this past offseason's signing injuries and all! Giants were under the gun they had 2 OLs under contract and 0 tackles Solder was the best one in freeagncy, this what happens when you draft like crap for years. As much as I hated Flowers, Ray Charles could see we were rebuilding. I would have rather kept Flowers, who actually never led the league in sacks IIRC like Solder did, rather than overpay for an average to slightly above average tackle when we had so many other areas of concern as well.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 23, 2021 14:24:22 GMT -5
Coming from the guy that needs PFF to explain what he's watching.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:26:34 GMT -5
Coming from the guy that needs PFF to explain what he's watching. Nope, never said that, I use it in conjunction with what Iâm watching. You just find me that list that has Gates ranked anywhere in the top 10 for centers. Since I clearly donât know what Iâm talking about and you said heâs âmuch more than averageâ it shouldnât be difficult. Iâll waitâŠ.and waitâŠ.and waitâŠand wait.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 14:27:16 GMT -5
Cannot really analogize like that. Solder was nowhere near at the level of Golladay relative to his position at the time the Giants signed Solder. Golladay is way better than Solder relative to his position at the time of this past offseason's signing injuries and all! Not the point, the point is just because either was the âonlyâ player available doesnât mean they were worth over paying with an injury risk in Golladays case My point is exactly the point. Golladay when looking at the risk vs reward was worth the risk. This is what GM's do for free agents. Whether it be Gettleman or otherwise.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 14:36:07 GMT -5
Unfortunately, relevant to you isn't relevant to the board. Although it is quite the broad and infantile criteria for a message board. That said, one can argue that even that desperate attempt at rationalizing a criteria doesn't stretch far enough to make pertinent a crammed in non-sequitur about a draft pick from three years ago. Like all here, I'll continue to feel free to chime in as I please. . . . like a weed which keeps regrowing. Ty You're welcome!
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:36:12 GMT -5
Not the point, the point is just because either was the âonlyâ player available doesnât mean they were worth over paying with an injury risk in Golladays case My point is exactly the point. Golladay when looking at the risk vs reward was worth the risk. This is what GM's do for free agents. Whether it be Gettleman or otherwise. Ok, then why did Gettleman trade OBJ for almost the exact same price that we signed Golladay to? I know theyâre two different types of receivers but itâs not like we didnât need a true #1 at the time. Then DG blows another awesome 1st round pick. Wouldnât we have been better off keeping OBJ?
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 14:37:09 GMT -5
As I said, it's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. But I guess it was felt that you needed to be reminded that Gettelman drafted a RB early in the first round of 2018. Are you suggesting that there are those that may have, in fact, been critical of that selection? Perish the thought.
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