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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 14:39:50 GMT -5
My point is exactly the point. Golladay when looking at the risk vs reward was worth the risk. This is what GM's do for free agents. Whether it be Gettleman or otherwise. Ok, then why did Gettleman trade OBJ for almost the exact same price that we signed Golladay to? I know they’re two different types of receivers but it’s not like we didn’t need a true #1 at the time. Then DG blows another awesome 1st round pick. Wouldn’t we have been better off keeping OBJ? Odell did not want to stay here and would have continued to cause distractions and cause more agitation than he was worth at that point. He has done little in Cleveland. It was the right move.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 14:42:06 GMT -5
LOL, what does Col Skippy's Official OL Ranking site think? For me, them and of course Walter Football's brother Earl Football are the only two marketing sites whose views are really, really super awesome.
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Post by BlueReign on Sept 23, 2021 14:42:30 GMT -5
My point is exactly the point. Golladay when looking at the risk vs reward was worth the risk. This is what GM's do for free agents. Whether it be Gettleman or otherwise. Ok, then why did Gettleman trade OBJ for almost the exact same price that we signed Golladay to? I know they’re two different types of receivers but it’s not like we didn’t need a true #1 at the time. Then DG blows another awesome 1st round pick. Wouldn’t we have been better off keeping OBJ? Odell was jettisoned because of his attitude, not his salary or ability. Though it does look like the Giants dodged a bullet with him. I wouldn't put this move in the 'con' column for Gettleman.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 14:45:28 GMT -5
My point is exactly the point. Golladay when looking at the risk vs reward was worth the risk. This is what GM's do for free agents. Whether it be Gettleman or otherwise. Ok, then why did Gettleman trade OBJ for almost the exact same price that we signed Golladay to? I know they’re two different types of receivers but it’s not like we didn’t need a true #1 at the time. Then DG blows another awesome 1st round pick. Wouldn’t we have been better off keeping OBJ? Are we allowed to use reality and actual time/space in the response or should we keep it in the fantasy/hypothetical laboratory environment it's currently in where things that occurred years apart can be switched without any impact on anything else?
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:45:36 GMT -5
Ok, then why did Gettleman trade OBJ for almost the exact same price that we signed Golladay to? I know they’re two different types of receivers but it’s not like we didn’t need a true #1 at the time. Then DG blows another awesome 1st round pick. Wouldn’t we have been better off keeping OBJ? Odell did not want to stay here and would have continued to cause distractions and cause more agitation than he was worth at that point. He has done little in Cleveland. It was the right move. I was in favor of trading him but he shouldn’t have signed him to such a large contract and then done it, only a fool like DG could pull off something like that. Especially after “we didn’t sign him just to trade him”. Regardless, talking about distractions, now we have Toney yelling at Judge and Golladay yelling at Garrett but neither one is “a big deal”. Sound familiar? Sounds a lot like OBJ who you are calling a distraction. And please, it wasn’t just “the interview”.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 14:47:10 GMT -5
Odell did not want to stay here and would have continued to cause distractions and cause more agitation than he was worth at that point. He has done little in Cleveland. It was the right move. I was in favor of trading him but he shouldn’t have signed him to such a large contract and then done it, only a fool like DG could pull off something like that. Especially after “we didn’t sign him just to trade him”. Regardless, talking about distractions, now we have Toney yelling at Judge and Golladay yelling at Garrett but neither one is “a big deal”. Sound familiar? Sounds a lot like OBJ who you are calling a distraction. And please, it wasn’t just “the interview”. So really, they've replaced Beckham with Toney and saved money to boot! Admit it, Gettelman: NFL Executive of the Year
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:49:30 GMT -5
LOL, what does Col Skippy's Official OL Ranking site think? For me, them and of course Walter Football's brother Earl Football are the only two marketing sites whose views are really, really super awesome. Funny stuff. So you agree with Mike that Gates is much more than average?
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Post by BlueReign on Sept 23, 2021 14:49:41 GMT -5
Odell did not want to stay here and would have continued to cause distractions and cause more agitation than he was worth at that point. He has done little in Cleveland. It was the right move. I was in favor of trading him but he shouldn’t have signed him to such a large contract and then done it, only a fool like DG could pull off something like that. Especially after “we didn’t sign him just to trade him”. Regardless, talking about distractions, now we have Toney yelling at Judge and Golladay yelling at Garrett but neither one is “a big deal”. Sound familiar? Sounds a lot like OBJ who you are calling a distraction. And please, it wasn’t just “the interview”. I don't think they wanted to trade him at the time of the contract signing, but didn't he start taking shots at the team and Eli the season after he signed the extension? That had to have been the last straw, especially on the tails of the pizza/drugs/model thing and his other antics.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:51:07 GMT -5
Ok, then why did Gettleman trade OBJ for almost the exact same price that we signed Golladay to? I know they’re two different types of receivers but it’s not like we didn’t need a true #1 at the time. Then DG blows another awesome 1st round pick. Wouldn’t we have been better off keeping OBJ? Odell was jettisoned because of his attitude, not his salary or ability. Though it does look like the Giants dodged a bullet with him. I wouldn't put this move in the 'con' column for Gettleman. No, I liked the move, one of the few I supported of DG but he was a moron for giving him that contract in the first place. The writing was on the wall. GM malpractice at it’s finest, it’s what Dave does best.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 14:52:12 GMT -5
LOL, what does Col Skippy's Official OL Ranking site think? For me, them and of course Walter Football's brother Earl Football are the only two marketing sites whose views are really, really super awesome. Funny stuff. So you agree with Mike that Gates is much more than average? lol, no. As completely useless as those rankings are, they don't make Gates more than average let alone much more.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:52:23 GMT -5
Ok, then why did Gettleman trade OBJ for almost the exact same price that we signed Golladay to? I know they’re two different types of receivers but it’s not like we didn’t need a true #1 at the time. Then DG blows another awesome 1st round pick. Wouldn’t we have been better off keeping OBJ? Are we allowed to use reality and actual time/space in the response or should we keep it in the fantasy/hypothetical laboratory environment it's currently in where things that occurred years apart can be switched without any impact on anything else? What do you mean? Homers here are always using fantasy so you should follow easily, I’m talking reality.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 14:52:34 GMT -5
Odell did not want to stay here and would have continued to cause distractions and cause more agitation than he was worth at that point. He has done little in Cleveland. It was the right move. I was in favor of trading him but he shouldn’t have signed him to such a large contract and then done it, only a fool like DG could pull off something like that. Especially after “we didn’t sign him just to trade him”. Regardless, talking about distractions, now we have Toney yelling at Judge and Golladay yelling at Garrett but neither one is “a big deal”. Sound familiar? Sounds a lot like OBJ who you are calling a distraction. And please, it wasn’t just “the interview”. I have no problem with Golladay venting at Garrett. It is deserved. Golladay is the younger player and will not be, at anytime soon, doing "interviews", tossing around FG nets, doing a dog pissing celebration in the Eagles end zone, running to the locker room every series to get an IV because he does not like to drink water. Toney is just a child that needs to grow up and shut up and do what he is told and excel at the tasks he is assigned.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:53:59 GMT -5
Funny stuff. So you agree with Mike that Gates is much more than average? lol, no. As completely useless as those rankings are, they don't make Gates more than average let alone much more. Ok then, glad we’re on the same page. At least I provided something to back up reality, even if it’s joe schmo’s opinion, because he won’t find one list that has Gates as being much more than average unless it’s his own.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 14:55:33 GMT -5
I was in favor of trading him but he shouldn’t have signed him to such a large contract and then done it, only a fool like DG could pull off something like that. Especially after “we didn’t sign him just to trade him”. Regardless, talking about distractions, now we have Toney yelling at Judge and Golladay yelling at Garrett but neither one is “a big deal”. Sound familiar? Sounds a lot like OBJ who you are calling a distraction. And please, it wasn’t just “the interview”. So really, they've replaced Beckham with Toney and saved money to boot! Admit it, Gettelman: NFL Executive of the Year like 2,4-D, dicamba has a residual the dead money from parting ways with OBJ hurt the Giants well beyond. Years later and despite the OL still not fixed, Dave turns attention to receivers by borrowing a ton of future cap space for Gollaway and then #1 for Toney who, we’re not sure what he’s doing.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 23, 2021 14:56:05 GMT -5
Coming from the guy that needs PFF to explain what he's watching. Nope, never said that, I use it in conjunction with what I’m watching. You just find me that list that has Gates ranked anywhere in the top 10 for centers. Since I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about and you said he’s “much more than average” it shouldn’t be difficult. I’ll wait….and wait….and wait…and wait. I like how your argument changed from: “he’s not above average” to “he’s not top 10” once you had a look at his PFF score.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 14:56:43 GMT -5
I was in favor of trading him but he shouldn’t have signed him to such a large contract and then done it, only a fool like DG could pull off something like that. Especially after “we didn’t sign him just to trade him”. Regardless, talking about distractions, now we have Toney yelling at Judge and Golladay yelling at Garrett but neither one is “a big deal”. Sound familiar? Sounds a lot like OBJ who you are calling a distraction. And please, it wasn’t just “the interview”. I have no problem with Golladay venting at Garrett. It is deserved. Golladay will not be anytime soon be doing "interviews", tossing around FG nets, doing a dog pissing celebration in the Eagles end zone, running to the locker room every series to get an IV because he does not like to drink water. Toney is just a child that needs to grow up and shut up and do what he is told and excel at the tasks he is assigned. No player should ever be allowed to yell at a coach, whether you agree with him or not, especially on the sidelines on a nationally televised game and/or in front of other teammates. Not a good look and hopefully not a sign of things to come. Talk to him after the game privately.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 14:59:41 GMT -5
I have no problem with Golladay venting at Garrett. It is deserved. Golladay will not be anytime soon be doing "interviews", tossing around FG nets, doing a dog pissing celebration in the Eagles end zone, running to the locker room every series to get an IV because he does not like to drink water. Toney is just a child that needs to grow up and shut up and do what he is told and excel at the tasks he is assigned. No player should ever be allowed to yell at a coach, whether you agree with him or not, especially on the sidelines on a nationally televised game and/or in front of other teammates. Not a good look and hopefully not a sign of things to come. Talk to him after the game privately. While I agree it is a bad look, this is a heated sport, things happen. Simms yelled at Tuna plenty on the sidelines and Tuna yelled back. It is football dude.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 15:01:11 GMT -5
No player should ever be allowed to yell at a coach, whether you agree with him or not, especially on the sidelines on a nationally televised game and/or in front of other teammates. Not a good look and hopefully not a sign of things to come. Talk to him after the game privately. While I agree it us a bad look, this is a heated sport, things happen. Simms yelled at Tuna plenty on the sidelines and Tuna yelled back. It is football dude. Plenty? I think we saw it once and Simms backed right down and shut his trap.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 15:02:34 GMT -5
While I agree it us a bad look, this is a heated sport, things happen. Simms yelled at Tuna plenty on the sidelines and Tuna yelled back. It is football dude. Plenty? I think we saw it once and Simms backed right down and shut his trap. Everyone recalls that one because the cameras caught it. You think it didn't happen other times in 8 years? C'mon man
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 15:03:13 GMT -5
Nope, never said that, I use it in conjunction with what I’m watching. You just find me that list that has Gates ranked anywhere in the top 10 for centers. Since I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about and you said he’s “much more than average” it shouldn’t be difficult. I’ll wait….and wait….and wait…and wait. I like how your argument changed from: “he’s not above average” to “he’s not top 10” once you had a look at his PFF score. Huh? I made my comment and googled “NFL centers ranked”. I can’t help if that’s what came up. And he’s not above average, let alone “much more than average”. Still waiting on ANY article that says he is an above average center. C’mon Mike, I don’t know what I’m watching and you do. If I’m that wrong surely you can find others you agree with your ridiculous assessment of Gates which is right up there with Price.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 23, 2021 15:05:38 GMT -5
No player should ever be allowed to yell at a coach, whether you agree with him or not, especially on the sidelines on a nationally televised game and/or in front of other teammates. Not a good look and hopefully not a sign of things to come. Talk to him after the game privately. While I agree it is a bad look, this is a heated sport, things happen. Simms yelled at Tuna plenty on the sidelines and Tuna yelled back. It is football dude. Yeah, things happen and Golladay hasn’t done shit yet. I’ll never agree with it but at least he could back it up first. Garrett should have been in his face yelling at him to catch the damn ball. Think Kenny would have liked that?
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 15:05:49 GMT -5
Plenty? I think we saw it once and Simms backed right down and shut his trap. Everyone recalls that one because the cameras caught it. You think it didn't happen other times, c'mon man Like ice hockey, i think those Giants may have spoken back to their coach on occasion yet never yelled back at Parcells.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 15:06:04 GMT -5
Are we allowed to use reality and actual time/space in the response or should we keep it in the fantasy/hypothetical laboratory environment it's currently in where things that occurred years apart can be switched without any impact on anything else? What do you mean? Homers here are always using fantasy so you should follow easily, I’m talking reality. Oh, the homers do that, do they? I see it from everyone, homer and hater - or whatever other silly internet moniker we want to throw on them - alike. Not that either group knows jack squat anyway. I'll take the raincheck on the logic of a two year old trade being germane to the FA class of last season as reality.
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 15:07:00 GMT -5
While I agree it is a bad look, this is a heated sport, things happen. Simms yelled at Tuna plenty on the sidelines and Tuna yelled back. It is football dude. Yeah, things happen and Golladay hasn’t done shit yet. I’ll never agree with it but at least he could back it up first. Garrett should have been in his face yelling at him to catch the damn ball. Think Kenny would have liked that? Maybe coaches should do more of what clappy didn't. This soft politically correct crap is so sad and pathetic.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 15:07:24 GMT -5
lol, no. As completely useless as those rankings are, they don't make Gates more than average let alone much more. Ok then, glad we’re on the same page. At least I provided something to back up reality, even if it’s joe schmo’s opinion, because he won’t find one list that has Gates as being much more than average unless it’s his own. Who cares?
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 15:08:47 GMT -5
So really, they've replaced Beckham with Toney and saved money to boot! Admit it, Gettelman: NFL Executive of the Year like 2,4-D, dicamba has a residual the dead money from parting ways with OBJ hurt the Giants well beyond. Years later and despite the OL still not fixed, Dave turns attention to receivers by borrowing a ton of future cap space for Gollaway and then #1 for Toney who, we’re not sure what he’s doing. The case just gets stronger and stronger!
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Post by repeatchamps on Sept 23, 2021 15:09:02 GMT -5
Everyone recalls that one because the cameras caught it. You think it didn't happen other times, c'mon man Like ice hockey, i think those Giants may have spoken back to their coach on occasion yet never yelled back at Parcells. We would all like to believe that but you will not ever know for sure or convince me it did not happen and I find it highly unlikely it never happened. It is human nature and things happen.
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 23, 2021 15:10:15 GMT -5
I like how your argument changed from: “he’s not above average” to “he’s not top 10” once you had a look at his PFF score. Huh? I made my comment and googled “NFL centers ranked”. I can’t help if that’s what came up. And he’s not above average, let alone “much more than average”. Still waiting on ANY article that says he is an above average center. C’mon Mike, I don’t know what I’m watching and you do. If I’m that wrong surely you can find others you agree with your ridiculous assessment of Gates which is right up there with Price. the same small posse of fans are just bickering to fill a void. Their position has already be derailed and how we wish they were correct and we were wrong. We all want the Giants to win but when we see the faults and others are claiming otherwise, like they see something we don’t see, they had better be correct after posting non-stop all offseason. At 0-2, their in a hole yet keep digging. To claim they know what they’re looking at, ahhh, be honest with yourselves rather than trying to convince us of a delusion. Still 15 games left but gee, no shame from this posse with humble not on the modern day radar.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 15:12:07 GMT -5
I like how your argument changed from: “he’s not above average” to “he’s not top 10” once you had a look at his PFF score. Huh? I made my comment and googled “NFL centers ranked”. I can’t help if that’s what came up. And he’s not above average, let alone “much more than average”. Still waiting on ANY article that says he is an above average center. C’mon Mike, I don’t know what I’m watching and you do. If I’m that wrong surely you can find others you agree with your ridiculous assessment of Gates which is right up there with Price. Contrived forced rankings are always pure garbage. They'd be better served just placing the 32 centers in tiers of Very Good / Average / Below Average / Crap At least that way they'd have a shot at being directional correct
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 23, 2021 15:19:06 GMT -5
Huh? I made my comment and googled “NFL centers ranked”. I can’t help if that’s what came up. And he’s not above average, let alone “much more than average”. Still waiting on ANY article that says he is an above average center. C’mon Mike, I don’t know what I’m watching and you do. If I’m that wrong surely you can find others you agree with your ridiculous assessment of Gates which is right up there with Price. the same small posse of fans are just bickering to fill a void. Their position has already be derailed and how we wish they were correct and we were wrong. We all want the Giants to win but when we see the faults and others are claiming otherwise, like they see something we don’t see, they had better be correct after posting non-stop all offseason. At 0-2, their in a hole yet keep digging. To claim they know what they’re looking at, ahhh, be honest with yourselves rather than trying to convince us of a delusion . . or a lie. Lol Don't be so hard on yourself. Everyone here knows full well that the collective football knowledge of all posters to football boards is just about equal to some guy with a show on channel 4887 at 3am called Egbert's Guide to the NFL. And of course his father owns the station which is how he got his show.
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